What We Want In An RP Standard

We've had enough people agree that there needs to be an RP standard, so I feel like we should go ahead and discuss what we would expect from that kind of standard.

What, exactly, would we like to see in terms of an RP standard? I, for one, think we need some performance tests to settle all these issues of particle effects being turned on or off. We also need a standard for what actions can constitute a properly roleplayed start to combat. And we need a versatile combat system.

I've been playing with Spellfire for a few nights in Shadows of Ithilien. The sim owner has a development toolkit for sale there and he makes his own SF weapons and props, so evidently it's open to a lot of creative flexibility. I'm starting to really like it for fantasy settings.

What would you like to see in an RP standard?

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NOTE: If you don't feel that SL should have RP standards, there's another thread in which regressives can debate the issue with progressives. Please go enjoy the use of it. Thanks.

That's a little harsh... calling people who might disagree with you a 'regressive'.

I didn't have an opinion about this as a long-time RPer but I think I'll be avoiding the conversation now.

Agreed. I am actually quite interested in this topic, but I think I'll choose another opportunity to participate, for much the same reasons.

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I haven't seen alot of people saying they want a RP standard. Funny that.Out of 8 people in the other thread...only 2 expressed outright interest in a standard system, and one of them was you. Whereas 4 outright spoke out AGAINST it.

2nd request for info

Ishii Ishii, I've read through the thread and I'm trying to understand your measure? What online RPG games have you tried and where would you rank them? It might help some of us who have been around longer than we care to admit. My first mind-blowing, cutting edge computer game was Pong, but omg - Mattel's Intellivision offered so much more.

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I think it's interesting to see what kinds of ideas would be generated by such a discussion, though I don't personally think there's any need for such a thing.

I don't see a large amount of interest in this topic amongst the RP enthusiasts I've met, either. It would seem that the OP was generalizing from a single example, assuming that everyone wanted a standard because he wanted one.

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Very well, I withdraw from the topic.

I understand that regressives enjoy pointless anarchy. I'll not waste my time trying to convince them otherwise.

So you know, Banking Laws isn't the reason I'm quitting this topic. It's because of this same moron whose only goal is to prove how long he's been playing games keeps invoking "Pong" and waiting for a response. If that's the kind of audience that's engaged here, I have better things to do.

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Also, I want to apologize for referring to those who hate progress as regressives.

Next time, I'll carry a deeper respect for the scumbags.

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I think the problem is that you are suggesting applying one set of rules to all of SL, rather than embracing the diversity that is here and realizing that what will work in one place won't in another.
Why standardize RP gridwide?

Or am I just misunderstanding your original post?

Again, I didn't say all of SL, but certainly much of it can benefit from it.

Again, you're a liar, and you cannot read. You are scum.

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That's a very nice disingenuous apology there

Your problem, besides being a rude prick, is confusing "progress" with what you think is an interesting idea.

It's not been sufficiently demonstrated by you or anyone else that a standardized RP system is progress. You obviously feel it is, but it would seem that the reality of the situation is that such a thing has limited appeal and isn't a "clear win" for everyone interested in RP combat. I would assert that if it were such a clear win and obvious "progress", then there'd be more people interested in developing such a system.

If you really have the strength of your convictions, you could spend less time throwing insults and acting like a petulant child and more time trying to demonstrate such value to the people that would actually do the development work.

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Wait... what?

I'm a liar?

What the hell?

I believe it was YOU who said

"What We Want In An RP Standard

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We've had enough people agree that there needs to be an RP standard, so I feel like we should go ahead and discuss what we would expect from that kind of standard."

Wait... there's more.

NOTE: If you don't feel that SL should have RP standards, there's another thread in which regressives can debate the issue with progressives. Please go enjoy the use of it. Thanks.

So, um, yeah... you DID say SL.
How about addressing the point instead of attacking?

Or is being an ass part of your "RP"?

What exactly is your problem. People don't talk to each other like this. What's up?


Just a Q for the rest of the class...

Is this behavior broadly offensive? I personally think it is, but what do I know?

Gee maybe we'd be having all this catharsis in-game if there was more interesting stuff to draw us there.

And SL doesn't necessitate all of SL. Certainly, there will always be an abundance of places for anarchists and morons to go stand around. There always are in every other game.

So, here you are, debating semantics, vainly trying to prove how right you are, casting out the villain, all this and that. And here I am laughing at you because your milling about which you seem to think is incredibly important only matters inside a very tiny glass bubble which mirrors your vision of things favorably back upon you. And while you might create wonderful theater for an audience of yourself and those whose glass bubbles look remarkably like your's, following all these rules of freedom and respect and fair play and whatever bogus notions of life you've concocted to dillude yourselves, I'll be out here laughing at how tiny your bubbles really are.

And yes, I am a rude prick, and I guarantee I sleep more soundly at night than any "kind-hearted person" I know because I am free of doubt and absolute in my direction.

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Is it a language thing? I mean, like, is English not your first language and we're just not understanding?

Or are you intentionally trolling?

I'm now curious.

Ah, now that I have no more tolerance for the idiots who like to pollute my threads with what can only be described as mind-shit, I'm a troll.

Come on, show the other glass bubblers how righteous you are in doing me in.

Nicely done. Total victory! You should be proud.

I'm laughing harder.

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You're all so empty, unoriginal and vacant it's stunning.

You're the millions of "non-conformists" in Misfits t-shirts.

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I'm just asking!

I asked what I thought was a legitimate question and you called me a liar (not sure how that works, but ok...), then I asked another, trying to figure out what the problem is, why you are attacking.

I didn't understand your original post in its entirety, so I'm curious as to what you mean.

Why the belligerant attitude?

Because I'm tired of the 20% of the population that's decent having to haul the 80% that's regressive, stupid or both.

And you're putting words in my mouth. You animals (people think, see? you're animals) insist on lying about me: saying I want all of SL to follow one standard, etc... That's all lies. It's nothing I've ever said. I go to a game shop, it has a diversity of games with a lot of different rules sets. But each one has an entire universe attached to it.

SL has several times as many rules sets, each one attached to what, in the game world, would basically be a city block.

But what do I know... I'm a prick, afterall. I guess memorizing all these notecards, buying all these huds, is the real fun of SL... right? Not actually getting to play.

And it's a fact in all things that those who try to put forth ideas are instantly attacked by regressives. Work, church, wherever you go, the idiot mob is there, waiting to pick apart whatever you do. Indeed, the greatest people on the planet are also the most hated.

What it really is -- it's the unyielding urge to have to feel right. I don't have to feel right. I don't have to have you on my side, or have respect from you. I am right. This is all that counts. So it doesn't bother me that you all want to grandstand and bluster and hang on semantics and, essentially, bullshit so that you feel better about yourselves. In reality, I'm such a deep and awesome person that none of it takes anymore away from me than a misquito in my yard would. It's unfortunate that you all hate progress, and that your regressive attitudes drive off players, but if this is the way you like your world to be, then have at it. I own my slice of it that I keep the way I want, afterall.

So keep braying. Tell yourselves "He's a prick, I'll show him! Everyone will read this and think I'm right!!" I think it's cute.

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Incidentally, if any of you ever wonder why lawyers live on hilltops while you idiots work hourly jobs, it's because of semantics. You're all so small and grasping that you hang on every word -- it's your superstitions, see? -- you're too small to see the sky from under the grass. So if it's not spelled out for you in exacting detail, you can't handle it. You need exacting instruction manuals or the world falls apart.

I'm laughing harder.

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This little "I'm so much better than you" tripe is utterly ridiculous and demonstrative of a very small-minded and petty personality. Surely no attorney or any other type of skilled professional worthy of any consideration whatsoever would respond to someone questioning his ideas in such a laughable manner.

I take it that you haven't the requisite skills necessary to create an RP combat system? Perhaps actually proving that such an idea has merit by actually developing such a system would be more worthy of "his majesty's time" than this laughable attempt at sounding superior?

Well, while you spend your time here insulting everyone that doesn't agree with you or even pushes back just a little, some of us will be out there actually building RP combat systems and enjoying the results immensely.

I wish you the best of luck getting your system. At the end of the day, the fact remains that if your idea holds any merit it will be put into action. I look forward to seeing whether that happens, but please forgive me if I don't hold my breath

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See, you don't read. Where does it say I'm an attorney?

And no, I'm not a scripter. See, you would call me a prick while you're being immodest -- grabbing up the license to brag about making a combat system.

Actually, if you see how this discussion began, I suggested DCS is probably the best standard to be adopted. Frankly, I don't want a new combat system. I think we should put our ideas together and improve one of the few dozen that we have.

Again, putting words in my mouth -- lying. You're a liar, a regressive, and you don't read.

But I am much better than you, I'll grant you that.

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Don't you see how amazingly short-sighted and stupid you are? You see things where they don't exist. You can't read.

I never said "let's build a new combat system!" I said -- let's adopt a standard.

Do you need someone to tell you the difference between a combat system and a set of standards? Are you truly this dumb? And you wonder how I know I'm better than you??

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A standard for what?
A standard for a group of sims? For a certain type of RP?
Are you saying that a Star Wars RP should have the same standard system as a Fantasy RP? Or not?
Your first post indicates that you meant gridwide, but you've said that's not what you meant.
Can you define what you mean?

Also, can you define "a regressive", please?

I think most of what the problem is is that we don't understand exactly what you mean by "A standard"...

I've already been over this in another thread. I'm not retyping it for the benefit of those who can't read, and so many of you -- the regressives -- attacked me outright for having the audacity for suggesting there should be a standard that I've already cleared out what I had to say from that thread.

So I'm sorry you couldn't participate in the meaningful discussion. Perhaps next time you, Banking and the other scum will let thinkers talk instead of being regressives.

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What the heck?

So you're not going to define anything?

Why post this thread then?

And.. um.. why am I scum again?