Rant-Things I hate about second life
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Shep Planer
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09-21-2007 01:55
1.The lack of zoning as far as building goes on the mainland. Too many higgledy piggledy ugly buildings of all shapes and sizes everywhere have made SL one ugly cluttered eyesore. 2.Inconsiderate people who build out other peoples views etc and dont give a shit about how anyone else feels about it. These people lack an understanding of the word "community" 3.Huge rotating for sale signs cluttering the landscape and blocking peoples views. 4.No access barriers, these are one of the worst things about second life, many people cant even fly out of their own property except for straight up because of so many barriers everywhere. Theres really no need for them when you can just ban people instead. I think they are a product of paranoia. 5.A-hole landlords who have no desire to communicate with their tenants, charge exorbitant rents and have a list of non negotiable "cant do" rules as long as your arm. Some evict people from shops etc on a whim for no apparent reason and theres noth'n you can do. 6.Hideous Adfarms. 7.Griefers, seems they just get away with whatever they want and continue to maintain an account. WHY?? 8.Noob guys who think its cool to walk around with erect dicks in public. Something tells me these guys are probably hung like chipmunks in real life hehe what do you dislike? lol END RANT This post is just my oppinion however Im sure these things annoy lots of people in SL. Please try not to take too seriously, I dont  If you find yourself feeling deeply disturbed by my post perhaps a good question to ask yourself would be "How am I guilty of one of these things" Although No8 is more forgiveable than the others. ps-I changed the title and edited the word hate out as i decided its too strong a word to use to describe my feelings, Im not a hateful person so 'dislike' is more appropriate.
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bilbo99 Emu
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09-21-2007 02:18
Yep I agree Shep .... but RA isn't really for statements like this unless they're answers to questions. Ah yes, you should have a question .. something like ... what do YOU hate? 
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Shep Planer
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09-21-2007 02:24
From: bilbo99 Emu Yep I agree Shep .... but RA isn't really for statements like this unless they're answers to questions. Ah yes, you should have a question .. something like ... what do YOU hate?  ok sorry bout that. where should I rant?
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Marty Starbrook
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09-21-2007 02:36
Resident Answers is the NEW general ...didnt ya know Bilbo *grin* hehehe
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Chas Connolly
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09-21-2007 02:40
1. People who put their money into unregulated SL banks or invest on unregulated SL stock exchanges then complain when their money disappears. As the saying goes, "a fool and his money are easily parted".
2. People who announce they're leaving SL and insist on telling us why.
3. Voicers who insist that non-voicers must be hiding something.
4. Those who seem unable to do anything but complain about SL.
5. Oh, and Those who insist on Writing their Posts like this, Claiming that Using upper Case letters is to emphasise Certain words.
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Morwen Bunin
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09-21-2007 02:42
Hmmm.... What do I hate? Ranting maybe?  And where should one rant? SC!!! Oh wait, that is closed now... And forgive Bilbo, Marty.... he is young and innocent.... *runs off before the hobbit can catch her* Morwen.
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bilbo99 Emu
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09-21-2007 02:56
From: Shep Planer ok sorry bout that. where should I rant? Hey! I didn't say you couldn't rant Shep .. I said you needed a question .. and then I posted one for you .. k? From: Chas Connolly 2. People who announce they're leaving SL and insist on telling us why. I see where you're coming from with this but at least with one glowing exception, something positive came out of it huh? From: Morwen Bunin And forgive Bilbo, Marty.... he is young and innocent.... *runs off before the hobbit can catch her*
Morwen. /me starts chasing .. trips over bucket .. phew! thank Philip that was empty!
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Strife Onizuka
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09-21-2007 02:59
*moves*
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Shep Planer
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09-21-2007 03:16
From: Chas Connolly 1. People who put their money into unregulated SL banks or invest on unregulated SL stock exchanges then complain when their money disappears. As the saying goes, "a fool and his money are easily parted".
2. People who announce they're leaving SL and insist on telling us why.
3. Voicers who insist that non-voicers must be hiding something.
4. Those who seem unable to do anything but complain about SL.
5. Oh, and Those who insist on Writing their Posts like this, Claiming that Using upper Case letters is to emphasise Certain words. Im sorry that you hate me and the way I wrote my post, im actually quite friendly to most people once they get to know me. Even though my post is slightly negative, it is meant in jest. Dont know what you mean by your 5th point about uppercase letters as Ive only used them as taught in the Queen's english language, ie-at the beginning of sentences. Oh apart from my 7th point about griefers where I spelt why in capitals. Anyhow, hope to meet you in world some time, come and say hi. I might do a post called what I love next.
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Shep Planer
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09-21-2007 03:18
From: bilbo99 Emu Hey! I didn't say you couldn't rant Shep .. I said you needed a question .. and then I posted one for you .. k?
I know, I was asking where I should do it in future to avoid being hated by regulars.
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Morwen Bunin
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09-21-2007 03:29
From: Shep Planer I know, I was asking where I should do it in future to avoid being hated by regulars. Maybe you think quickly that people hate you? But yes, I do dislike ranting... but I have absolutely no problems with constructive critics... Morwen.
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Chas Connolly
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09-21-2007 03:35
From: Shep Planer Im sorry that you hate me and the way I wrote my post, im actually quite friendly to most people once they get to know me. Even though my post is slightly negative, it is meant in jest. Dont know what you mean by your 5th point about uppercase letters as Ive only used them as taught in the Queen's english language, ie-at the beginning of sentences. Oh apart from my 7th point about griefers where I spelt why in capitals. Anyhow, hope to meet you in world some time, come and say hi. I might do a post called what I love next. Don't be silly, of course I don't hate you. I'm just not that keen on moaning. And the 5th point - like the Other points - Was not a Reference to you. A post on what I love about SL (despite all the crap we have to put up with) might not be a bad idea  )
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Shep Planer
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09-21-2007 03:42
From: Chas Connolly Don't be silly, of course I don't hate you. I'm just not that keen on moaning. And the 5th point - like the Other points - Was not a Reference to you. A post on what I love about SL (despite all the crap we have to put up with) might not be a bad idea  ) Alright sorry for moaning everyone. I guess ive already become slightly jaded after just 6 months in SL. Kisses and hugs to all the nice peeps. 
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Marty Starbrook
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09-21-2007 04:42
I emphasise words a lot, so I guess this is down to me, its a bad habbit that i appear to have aquired along with putting lots of dots in places. Beinging on chat sites for the last 13 years I guess ive picked up lots of ways to emphasise words and meanings. But when it comes down to it, I am not really fussed as long as i get the message across and dont start doing things like M8 an C U L8a
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Chas Connolly
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09-21-2007 04:46
From: Marty Starbrook I emphasise words a lot, so I guess this is down to me, its a bad habbit that i appear to have aquired along with putting lots of dots in places. Beinging on chat sites for the last 13 years I guess ive picked up lots of ways to emphasise words and meanings. But when it comes down to it, I am not really fussed as long as i get the message across and dont start doing things like M8 an C U L8a Nope, not you either  )
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Yumi Murakami
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09-21-2007 05:03
From: Shep Planer 1.The lack of zoning as far as building goes on the mainland. Too many higgledy piggledy ugly buildings of all shapes and sizes everywhere have made SL one ugly cluttered eyesore. It would be wonderful if someone could work out how to teach artistry, and then work out how to make people attend the lessons, but unfortunately nobody has managed either of them yet. And without that, there isn't really anyway to fix this apart from banning less talented people from building. That might sound acceptable at first, but the problem is, what happens when professional 3D artists move in all around you and then _your_ building is the eyesore? From: someone 2.Inconsiderate people who build out other peoples views etc and dont give a shit about how anyone else feels about it. These people lack an understanding of the word "community"
Yes, these can be pretty bad  From: someone 5.A-hole landlords who have no desire to communicate with their tenants, charge exorbitant rents and have a list of non negotiable "cant do" rules as long as your arm. Some evict people from shops etc on a whim for no apparent reason and theres noth'n you can do.
Hopefully the market will be able to deal with these, though. From: someone 7.Griefers, seems they just get away with whatever they want and continue to maintain an account. WHY?? Because if there isn't actually evidence available for an AR (as there often isn't, since AR's against griefers tend to be something like "they shot at me, but they've stopped now"  , the only thing LL can go on is a large number of reports against a particular individual.
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Tamii Gwynneville
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Join date: 1 Jun 2006
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09-21-2007 05:16
From: Shep Planer what do you hate? 1. People who can't deal with ban lines. It's *my* land, so get over yourself that you think you have some inalienable right to be there. 2. AOL-speak. This isn't the teen grid, so type like the adult that you allegedly are. 3. Disney-Gor. 
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Yumi Murakami
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09-21-2007 05:56
From: Tamii Gwynneville 1. People who can't deal with ban lines. It's *my* land, so get over yourself that you think you have some inalienable right to be there. I think the complaint is more with regard to infrastructure and placement than land ownership. As an RL analogue - it's fine to say that a farmer can keep you off their land. But when the farmer buys all the land surrounding your house, and then keeps you off it because it's their land now, suddenly it doesn't work so well anymore. In RL there are safeguards against this, but at the moment in SL there aren't.
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Justus Frazer
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09-21-2007 06:39
From: Yumi Murakami In RL there are safeguards against this, but at the moment in SL there aren't. One word: "Landmark"
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Yumi Murakami
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09-21-2007 09:40
From: Justus Frazer One word: "Landmark" Yes, you can teleport in or out, that's true. But by the same logic, in RL, you could have a helicopter drop you off at your house (in the UK at least, owning land doesn't give ownership of airspace). That wouldn't change the fact that you do, sometimes, want to be able to roam and explore in your own way instead of being fenced in.
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Malia Writer
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Join date: 20 Aug 2007
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09-21-2007 09:52
From: Shep Planer 4.No access barriers, these are one of the worst things about second life, many people cant even fly out of their own property except for straight up because of so many barriers everywhere. Theres really no need for them when you can just ban people instead. I think they are a product of paranoia. I had to put these on my property because due to some bug, people can fly thru the walls of my house (9 times it's solid, the 10th time you get in... grrrrr...) So you can mark my pet peeve as "people who barge into other people's houses without permission". Whether by the door or any other means.
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Arsenic Soyinka
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09-21-2007 10:05
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-- that there exists on Second Life the concept of Gravity,
-- that there lacks any sense of deeper formal space
-- that there are no examples of formal or phenomenal time expanse or shearing, or shifting, or rotating. or orbital operations
-- that Second Life's architecture's relationship to time and motion is typically posed in terms of real life by the representations of motion, up and down and sideways
-- that the human cultural role of motion and animation is limited to 2 dimensional static frames that indexes Real Life, in sequences of independent simulations that fake the dynamics of reality and virtuality, of culture and motion, as a final refuge for members common flat earth society.
-- that Linden Labs created a platform, and fosters the worst of what real life has to offer, but only worse
-- that theres is no blending of aesthetics with technology, which is sacrificed for the mirrored structuring of the gravitational and earthly topological medium ...
after all ... contrary to popular belief ... it is their world and their imagination ... or the lack of it ...
DULL!
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Michael Bigwig
~VRML Aficionado~
Join date: 5 Dec 2005
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09-21-2007 10:13
1) Not being able to just 'log off.' 2) Uber low frame rates in sims crowded with people and prims. 3) Build tools could use some augmentation. I'd add a few tools and macros. 4) People that use SL for just sex and naughty things--this only frustrates me because from a designers standpoint, I see the massive potential this platform has to offer. I see the brilliant minds that are creating a captivating environment...and yet people--similar to RL--squander their opportunities. Hey...to each is own. Right? 5) Sims that don't allow flying. 6) Bad design. Ok...those are my pet peeves, if you will. Don't hate the messenger. ps. Arsenic...nice post. You're asking for a lot...aren't you. Give it another 10-15 years...you may get more than you bargain for. 
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Sindy Tsure
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09-21-2007 10:19
From: Chas Connolly 1. People who put their money into unregulated SL banks or invest on unregulated SL stock exchanges then complain when their money disappears. As the saying goes, "a fool and his money are easily parted".
2. People who announce they're leaving SL and insist on telling us why.
3. Voicers who insist that non-voicers must be hiding something.
4. Those who seem unable to do anything but complain about SL.
5. Oh, and Those who insist on Writing their Posts like this, Claiming that Using upper Case letters is to emphasise Certain words. You beat me to it on the first 4 - all spot on. I don't think the OP fits into #4, though..
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Shadow Subagja
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09-21-2007 11:13
From: Shep Planer 1.The lack of zoning as far as building goes on the mainland. Too many higgledy piggledy ugly buildings of all shapes and sizes everywhere have made SL one ugly cluttered eyesore. Agreed, private sims can provide this, but mainland is inherently unmanaged (at least right now). Perhaps some day they'll force people to categorize land purchases but right now its total freedom within TOS if you buy mainland.. which is sorta cool in its own way but it allows total creative freedom (within TOS) at the expense of security and control. From: someone 2.Inconsiderate people who build out other peoples views etc and dont give a shit about how anyone else feels about it. These people lack an understanding of the word "community" Some people are just assholes. Private sims provide rules. Expect the worst on the mainland as people you don't know simply don't care about you, period. From: someone 3.Huge rotating for sale signs cluttering the landscape and blocking peoples views. Same as 2. From: someone 4.No access barriers, these are one of the worst things about second life, many people cant even fly out of their own property except for straight up because of so many barriers everywhere. Theres really no need for them when you can just ban people instead. I think they are a product of paranoia. Agreed. I am tempted to say that they should remove the parcel entry ban lines and give everybody the built in functionality of a security orb (ie a standard security orb running on each parcel that has no range or lsl sensor requirement) that can be configured for eject/teleport, custom messages, and timeouts. Offenders can still be banned on a per-user basis? Red tape really messes with the world's continuity. So does object entry and other things that 'break the metaphor' while flying around. [quote/]5.A-hole landlords who have no desire to communicate with their tenants, charge exorbitant rents and have a list of non negotiable "cant do" rules as long as your arm. Some evict people from shops etc on a whim for no apparent reason and theres noth'n you can do.[/quote] SL is strictly buyer beware. If all of these things had to be managed by a regulatory body then the LL staff would have to skyrocket and there would probably be significant price hikes on the service. Thats the tradeoff imho. Free/accessible vs strictly controlled/monitored and expensive. Word of mouth on landlords really does help eliminate this problem, never buy without a recommendation. From: someone 6.Hideous Adfarms. Same as 3. From: someone 7.Griefers, seems they just get away with whatever they want and continue to maintain an account. WHY?? Actually if they get AR'd they do wind up getting banned. Unfortunately brand new unverified accounts can walk the entire grid with no restrictions on running scripts or anything. I am in favor of the 'grid proper' being verified pay resident only, and all hubs and newbie areas being visible to 'visitors'. That way a credit card can be banned if a user griefs for a living and it will be much harder for them to show up again w/o arbitration. From: someone 8.Noob guys who think its cool to walk around with erect dicks in public. Something tells me these guys are probably hung like chipmunks in real life hehe lol! From: someone what do you hate? lol my main rant would be that a lot of the above is not being addressed  END RANT[/QUOTE]
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