Camping Stats For Your Consumption!

Nice point! I guess mum and dad pay the electricity bills. Am also guessing most big camping sims will not have ID verification flags set, so junior will still be here in coming months. Sigh...

But on a more statistical front, I've noticed many places are actually paying 3L$ per 10 minutes. So a realistic average might be more like 2.75 for 10 mins, 16.5 L$ per hour.
So. 396L$ per 24hrs x 5,830 campers = 2,308,680 L$
Which is roughly 8,580 USD so they do take a little bit home

I'm also getting more convinced that the camping population is far greater than the 5,830 I first calculated. There might be an update coming!

To substantiate your research, spend some time around campers. You will notice that people drop, they leave, they get kicked off and don't leave, and someone else takes their place. Some camping machines have a daily limit on how much can be earned - so you are not going to get 1400 out of an av unless they get kicked off and don't leave.

This is interesting but I'm not convinced on how valid it is. Could very well be that it's Monday and I'm slow today, though...


Did you really just check the map? If so, how do you distinguish between a place that has, say, 5 camping zombies and 10 people actually there and alive and a place that has 15 camped out zombies? I don't think you can see that from the map...

Also, picture a place that has a number of camping devices but is populated by people there for the social aspect - they're all on camping devices but they're alive and chatting and such.. Do people group this type of camping with zombie camping??

There is a huge flaw with this. It assumes you can only get traffic from campers. My store regularly hits 3k-4k traffic on the weekends, with NO camping whatsoever. By your formula, i would have 2.8 campers for my 4k of traffic. Just isn't so. However I do get the point you are trying to make. There are a lot of campers in SL. But anyone who's been around already knows that.

I'm sorry, has everyone muted me?

Those stats assume 1 camper per PC. I think few people run only one camper at a time on a PC. Somewhere between 3-10 campers/PC is probably the most common.

Agreed. You can make quite a profit that way. There was an old thread on that subject, and someone showed the math proving one could make thousands of dollars of profit from camping. It can be done.

Traffic calculation explained by Cory Linden: (link here: http://slhistory.org/index.php/Traffic)



Which means the most cost effective way to increase traffic on your land is to make a bunch of alts, log them in for 6 mins a piece and log out without going anywhere else. Perhaps you could use the same bot system serial campers use to steal your money.

Instant traffic, easy enough to implement with unverified accounts, won't cost you a cent.

Why are you paying campers again??

I'm just blowing off steam here--but the way camping is used to game the system makes
me mad. With the way search works, I even feel like I am being gamed by the Lindens
so they can make money in the Classified Ad system.

The point is--There are legitimate business people here that would like to have a level
playing field and I'm one of them. This system simply incourages lazy and corrupt individuals to continue what they are doing--which is lieing to everyone else about how popular their place of business is--and the damned thing is--what they do works!

I have had a store for 9 months, It makes a little money, but I know it would do much better if I did not have people selling junk above me on the search list--a lot of which is freebe crap or stolen. To survive do I have to become like them and game the system too?

Then there are unrealistic teirs, texture thieves and people stealing objects and scripts. As a community, is there nothing we can do to stop all of this?

QFA!! (quoted for amazement)

Well. If anyone out there has land with low enough traffic numbers that we could actually test this, I'm willing to lend 10 minutes here and there by me and a few selected close friends to generate pseudo-traffic! My home PC is in a state where I can't stay online for more than 10 minutes at a time anyway.

That would be awesome! Pay campers $2/10min to sit on moving campads and charge people $10L/$10min to shoot at them. Whoever's got the programming skills, get busy!

The calculation you quoted is pretty old. From more recent research that's been reported and discussed in other threads, the current method is 1 point per av per minute.

Forgive me, I am pretty old too

Then its even easier.

Set up your camping bots on your land and go to sleep, just the same way the other guy using the camping bots to to farm camping chairs for $L is doing, and you get your traffic for free.

Fluf- Kudos! Very enlightening post!

Though I'm curious how you came by the numbers above... (pardon me if I'm missed the obvious) but how could you factor the quantity of campers out of the total quantity of online avatars? I'd be more inclined to believe it's the same limited set of hard-core campers hanging around, with some degree of 'amateur' camping done by more tourist-like residents.

(I could see how the percentage increases over time though, campers tend to stay on 24/7, where-as SL certainly has peak concurrency hours when the rest of the... "Spirited" residents (avatars with live/engaged people piloting them) are active.

Hmm I can picture a place with both campbots and people, but it's not a good picture or one I've seen anywhere in SL.

Better yet make campads that report their position to you, sell them to people, then send your own campbots to use them, better yet just program them to slice off a percentage to you..........

I know a place like this. Used to be a fun club, but it's a ghost town now. The bot dancers creeped out the real people, and they left.

I was talking more about a place that had _live_ people camping. Not bots or people who've left themselves logged in overnight..

If somebody is on a camper but is still contributing to the purpose of the place (asuming the purpose isn't "raise traffic!!!11" isn't that ok?

I didn't actually check this thread till I saw that it moved (bad Oryx!) but I have one big question:

If traffic stats are from the DAY BEFORE, shouldn't you have noted the number of campers on day 1, then noted the traffic on day 2? Or would it really make that much difference? I'm guessing it might, if day 1 was sunday, and day 2 was monday...

Just a thought. Otherwise, impressive!

unless the number of camping spots changed, it should be pretty constant. I rarely see an empty camppad. It's more common (at least from what I've seen) to see someone idle next to a camping spot that someone else is on.

Don't know I've never got a response from anyone on a camppad before, they appear to all be bots or long term AFK. Now if its scantly clad females in a strip club then it fits the theme but then again escorts who are asleep while dancing get a little dull after 5 minutes

Tried Camperbaiting? Walk to the otherside of a room from a big bunch of campers and offer $100L to the first one to reach you. Never had to pay out yet...............

That would have been me. Under the assumption of 4 camp-alts per CPU core and an infinite supply of chairs (L$2/10min) you can make enough money to pay rent and bills and end up with $1000 a month left over in 18 months.

This is the sad dark truth about SL and your numbers are very generous as I think the camper numbers are even higher. What is even sadder are the prople who think they have to have all these campers in order to survive. All these extra Av's cause a lot of strain on the grid not to mention all the extra work for the data base.

Ive said it before and I will say it again. Stop supporting these campers. Stop supporting people who support campers cause in the end you are paying for them. We need to take back the grid. Its a sad commentary when you see a group of people on the mini map and you find its a group of campers nine out of ten time.

These gamed traffic number and campers have been destroying all the real places in SL. There are excellent clubs and places in SL that are going under because they can not compete with these fake numbers and people do not know they are there. Stop giving your financial support to these fake numbers, we need to close this exploit before it sinks the whole game.

I--a devout multi-account camper--whole heartedly agree.
Camping chairs are a blight and should be gotten rid of.

But don't expect me to stop using them, as using them isn't the issue (if I don't, someone will, and the free money is kinda nice).

Correct it was you I was thinking of. But I didn't want to name names

Pfft. Like I care. What'll people do? They can rant and yell at me--I'll Mute them. They can abuse me, I'll AR them.

No, I'm perfectly willing to admit to having said the things I've said. Go ahead and quote me on it.

That math previously presented was said PRECISELY because no one believed that camping was worth it (although at this moment in time I will admit that there is a slight error, a DSL connection is saturated at 4 open clients, a 5th will stall in the early portion of the log in process and navigating the web will result in a Timeout error, cable can take more, I never found out how many as my machine was physically capable of running no more than 5 at the time, and FiOs will take even more, but there is a point at which you will need to pay for a bigger Tube).