Ban Limit too hight and too fast
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Ranma Tardis
沖縄弛緩の明確で青い水
Join date: 8 Nov 2005
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06-22-2006 06:58
From: Haravikk Mistral Posted this is another thread: Allows for private areas, and assuming most people aren't idiots with it then it allows for a good balance over proper protection and flier-friendliness. Exploration and flying has been dead for some time now. The higher ban lines just brings out the UGLY nature into the sunshine where it can be seen. I would rather see the ugly ban lines than recieve a 6 second warning or worse no warning at all. I think it should be a requirement that ban lines are used when a security script is employed. Even in america land has to be posted no trespassing, this does so very nicely indeed. So they are UGLY what is your point? A access only plot of land is ugly this justs let everone know.
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Dorra Debs
Poptart
Join date: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 177
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06-22-2006 11:07
200m is to high. It makes hard to explore areas of interest and I love to explore. The old 15m was way to low though. I had a problem one time where someone walked into my house while I was having some private time with my sweetie. I banned him, but he hovered over my house taking pics because he could still pan down with the camera. 
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Argent Stonecutter
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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06-22-2006 11:30
From: Tarquin Quasimodo I always thought 15m was too low. It did not stop people landing on your roof. It was worse for water based buildings. Because the height is measured from the sea bed, most of my boat was accessible. I would be happy to have it the 40m that it's documented as, rather than the 15m that's actually implemented. 
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Patch Lamington
Blumfield SLuburban
Join date: 2 Nov 2005
Posts: 188
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06-22-2006 11:36
I didnt notice the ban lines straight away, but boy do they suck.
I often fly the short distance to see friends in the same sim. Now instead of flying over the homes of dormant paranoid account holders, I have to skirt round. Not a major problem, but a pain for sure.
Any vehicle which uses the hover-vehicle scripts (a lot of flying machines use these instead of the flight script btw) will be unable to fly over the ban lines.
Sympathies with anyone surrounded by these things now. Heres hoping it doesnt take long for this fix to get fixed.
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Fred Extraordinaire
Weapons Specialist
Join date: 29 Jun 2004
Posts: 134
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your ban height, your imagination
06-22-2006 12:15
there should be a slider for the ban height 1m-900m and a slider for restricted access 1m-900m, that way people dont need to vote on a setting, because everyone who has posted here has said it should be a different height...if it were adjustable it would actualy be useful.
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Yiffy Yaffle
Purple SpiritWolf Mystic
Join date: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,802
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06-22-2006 12:20
From: Fred Extraordinaire there should be a slider for the ban height 1m-900m and a slider for restricted access 1m-900m, that way people dont need to vote on a setting, because everyone who has posted here has said it should be a different height...if it were adjustable it would actualy be useful. I don't think a slider would make any difference. most people would crank it all the way up anyway. llPushObject is living proof of that. Most people use the highest push you can get.
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Seronis Zagato
Verified Resident
Join date: 30 Aug 2005
Posts: 454
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06-22-2006 12:35
Have a feature suggestion on this yesterday with my exact feelings but what we have now is BETTER than what we had before. But its still too much until we get the two limits de coupled.
Drop down to 64m or 128m and i'll be satisfied with both values until they are decoupled and blacklist bans go up to 512m or beyond.
Btw Torley, they need to be seperate in About Land too. Because explicite bans ALWAYS need excluded to the stricter limit even when the parcel is 'generally' whitelist accessed.
Please dont forget that issue. Its vital.
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Ranma Tardis
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Join date: 8 Nov 2005
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06-22-2006 13:03
The issue of land tool banning and security scripts goes tougher. I don’t like 200 meter ban lines but don’t like security scripts even more so! At least the ban lines tells you for sure you are not welcome and then prevents innocent avatars from being bothered by security scripts. Linden Labs needs to come out with a policy on air rights and security scripts. Lowering the ban lines to 40m for other than the white list will not solve a thing. I want to see the ban lines stay for all areas that security scripts can operate. It is much better than the 6 second or no warning attack of the overactive security system.
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Ariane Brodie
Registered User
Join date: 22 Apr 2004
Posts: 28
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06-22-2006 16:48
From: Fred Extraordinaire there should be a slider for the ban height 1m-900m and a slider for restricted access 1m-900m, that way people dont need to vote on a setting, because everyone who has posted here has said it should be a different height...if it were adjustable it would actualy be useful. If they do that, there should be a corresponding cost to land owners, like lowering prim limits. Better yet would be to keep a 30m limit but you could control at what level it begins and ends. All I know is the current 200 limit is just asinine. Instantly put up a 200m wall and piss off your neighbors kind of asinine. They NEED to change it back until such time as they can come up with a better solution. If they did this to reduce grief complaints, they are just generating more from me.
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Kae Fox
Fennec Fox of White
Join date: 28 Feb 2005
Posts: 6
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Holy Shit Dude!
06-22-2006 19:48
Who the heck flew off the deep end and BLOCKED ACCES TO EVERYTHING!
if parcels lining a side of a sim are set to privace then you CANT ACCESS THE AJOINING SIM
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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06-23-2006 08:49
From: Yiffy Yaffle I don't think a slider would make any difference. most people would crank it all the way up anyway. llPushObject is living proof of that. Most people use the highest push you can get. I use small pushes... but then I build elevators, not guns.  Anyway... How about having a slider like that... but you have to pay monthly to set the "group access" slider more than the normal level?
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Yiffy Yaffle
Purple SpiritWolf Mystic
Join date: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,802
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06-23-2006 14:19
From: Argent Stonecutter I use small pushes... but then I build elevators, not guns.  Anyway... How about having a slider like that... but you have to pay monthly to set the "group access" slider more than the normal level? LL has shown their lazyness. They wouldn't impliment it cuz it's too much work. I wouldn't use such a system if it had restrictions either... I'l stick with my security orbs that only target those who have been banned. Only restrictions on those are well... I don't know! 
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Grypus Bunyip
Registered User
Join date: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 6
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06-24-2006 14:07
200m is good for a banned list, but why not just go to infinity? If someone goes on a banned list, its their own fault!
15m too low, only prevents physical contact.
25m should be the minimum height, as this keeps people out of chat range (in the vertical direction)
Personally, I would like 60m as this will stop zooming in with the camera.
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Brac Westerburg
Registered User
Join date: 26 May 2004
Posts: 21
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06-24-2006 15:35
I was wondering why I am getting complaint emails concerning the access ban I have on a property I own. I have pretty much always had the ban on since most of my neighbors did also from the first day I bought the lot.
Though I’m sure many aren’t fans of this feature, I do like it as I like the privacy it gives & I don’t have to deal with any griefing issues. 200M is kinda high though, hopefully this can be changed to a more reasonable level.
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Rachel Darling
Registered User
Join date: 3 Jun 2006
Posts: 95
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Clearly not well thought through
06-28-2006 16:51
1. So now it is impossible for some people to enter/leave their land other than by TP, because they're boxed in on all sides. Travel across a SIM is also nearly impossible in many places. 2. My pet peeve about SL: SkyTrash. Frankly, the red tape was an eyesore to begin with, even at 50m. At minimum, there should be a way to separate the treatment of banned folks from the general "no access/no fly zone" restriction. This is a MUST. Ideally, I think the only people who should be restricted from landing on/flying over a piece of land are those explicitly banned from it -- then they would be able to see the red tape. You also shouldn't be able to camera zoom in past solid objects which you don't own. Then, if you just wanted privacy on your land, you could build a house with tinted/shaded windows. Even now you could put up privacy screens, I think. Face it...there are few roads or sidewalks in SL. If someone decides to put privacy access up, it makes it difficult to move around (even on your own plot, if it's small), and it makes the landscape look like crap.
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Raffaele Pirandello
Registered User
Join date: 2 Nov 2005
Posts: 24
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Feature Proposal obsolete
06-29-2006 07:08
The proposal has been implemented with the last upgrade. It isn't cause of the proposal itself: it isn't even been acnowleged but I like to think it helped  Who has put his votes in the proposal can now take them back and put on a different one. Raffaele
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Travis Bjornson
Registered User
Join date: 25 Sep 2005
Posts: 188
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06-29-2006 16:07
Yes, the new limits sound good.
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Ariane Brodie
Registered User
Join date: 22 Apr 2004
Posts: 28
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06-29-2006 18:16
The new limits are still 10 meters above unassisted hover height, therefore they are 20 meters too high. I'm still surrounded by 80meters (land elevation + 50m) of "no entry" in every direction.
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Travis Bjornson
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Join date: 25 Sep 2005
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06-29-2006 19:01
Sorry, I spoke without testing first. From: someone Residents explicitly banned from a land parcel cannot fly in that parcel's airspace, to a height of 768m Great. From: someone Residents not explicitly banned, but not on the access list, can fly over the parcel at an altitude greater than 50m I just tested this, and it seems to be set at 50m above ground level, which is too high. It should be 50m in absolute terms, which would be sufficient to allow for a 30m elevation, plus 20m chat radius. I'm sending a bug report on this because it contradicts the release notes, and another bug report for a related issue.
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