Why deprecate WASDEC keys!?!

Reminds me of a couple months ago when IE7 got put out as a critical update by Microsoft. It was a "critical update" for Pete's sake........who wouldn't download it and install it? How dare Microsoft take away my user friendly IE6 and give me this piece of you know what UI!!! What happened to my Favorites? My Tools? And what is all this tabbed browsing stuff anyway? Geeze, why didn't Uncle Bill just leave my browser alone? I knew all the things I needed to know in IE6...........if I wanted Foxfire I would have downloaded it and installed it myself for Christ's sake!!!

Guess what............I'm getting used to it!!! LOL But that damned refresh page button is still in the wrong place!

Carry on with the arguments..........it's entertaining.

I always used ctrl alt+mouse for my camera,
and now im having some MAJOR problems. Almost every single time i do it, the little icon that comes up while swiveling turns back to the cursor as if i let go of the mouse button.
but I did not let go of the mouse button.

i hope someone will understand what i mean, also when i drag windows around it just stops like i let go of the mouse button also, same with almost everything i use with the mouse.
Its a brand new mouse so i really doubt its the mouse..
has anyone else had this at all, or is my mouse defective...... please anyone?

If you haven't already voted, you can do so by clicking here. Somebody else has started a new proposal for basically the same thing (of course he claims he already searched and didn't see the first proposal), but it would help if you all voted on the proposal linked above instead of the new one. That way all of our votes are in one place... and it looks more impressive!

Yeah, I hate IE7 too, but at least they added tabbed browsing which I love and use all the time with FF. :3

I had the exact same problem. And it WAS the mouse,
easily one of the most frustrating evenings I had in SL
(it started infrequently... was hard to reproduce for a
while, and started right after an update. Maybe LL
broke my mouse! )

Try drag selecting things in other applications for a bit to
make sure...

I want to add my voice to the protest - I NEED some kind of keypad camera control. The current camera controls have always seemed wonky to me, and now even moreso.
The current camera requires you to click, anchor and pivot which is basically what you want in a building environment. Static. What if a suitable anchor is not available? This is when we need keypad (WASDEC) camera controls.
At the same time, LL shold implement a real FPS camera where the mouse controls the camera all the time, while the keypad controls avatar movement. Like a Quake engine game, kind of like mouselook but pivoting behind the avatar.

Have you tried:
alt-[arrows] to rotate left/right and zoom
ctrl-alt-[arrows] to rotate up/down
shift-ctrl-alt-[arrows] to move left/right/up/down

I've been using these since I learned them, oh, probably 9 months ago. I know you WASD people don't like it (prefering the one-hand thing), but I tend not to build and move the camera around at the same time (do you?) and as such I can move my right hand to the keyboard (and being on a laptop most of the time w/o a real mouse, it makes it even more useful).

Well, yeah, we could do that...

Or, ALT + WASDEC could do all of the ALT+Arrows and CTRL+ALT+Arrows functions you listed. We understand that it is still POSSIBLE to move the camera and build or do other activities at the same time, but it was just so smooth and convenient when the left hand could do it all without leaving the home keys.

ALT + Arrows either requires two hands, since the arrow keys are on the right side of the keyboard, or it requires the use of the right-side ALT key, which is not nearly as natural for many people as the left-side ALT key, since most of us use the mouse with our right hands.

Ugh, this change is a nightmare. I can't control my camera worth a damn anymore. I've sold all my land, and don't play as much anymore because of this. It's just too annoying, I spent 6 months using Alt-WASD to move my cam, and now I can't anymore. Just looking around at things now is too dificult for me. So long SL =(. Fa Nyak this is Yuki from your MSN XD if they ever fix this problem, tell me please!

That's the fact that people don't see right there. My left hand is already on my WASD keys by default. It's inefficient, awkward, and a freaking pain in the ass to use the arrow keys. I have gotten pretty good using just the mouse and alt/control keys, but it's still a bit messy at times, like when I accidentally push buttons in the wrong order and rotate my 400 prim house upside down and ruin the structure.

I wasn't as frustrated originally as I get everytime I accidentally rotate something I'm working on. I want to find whoever it was that thought I need alt to click my menu bar instead of as a building tool, and I want to kick them. run your 3D world as a 3d world, not as a word processing program. This is a step backwards. A step forwards (or sideways at least) would have been to make it an optional change.

My apologies for kicking you, whoever you are, but you deserve it. Hopefully the swearing you're doing right now from the pain in your leg will give you an idea of how it feels on this end.

Perhaps the needs of hypothetical business people using SL as a communications tool are affecting the interface design decisions.

i ran into a problem with my keyboard hook program not recognizing ALT keypresses, then got distracted by christmas with various extended family parts. i've not given up though, and i'm still totally pissed at the camera. if someone knows them some coding, feel free to do it first, but i'm still planning on getting it done ^^

Personally, I'm all for user-specified controls. WASD to move has always annoyed me, and using the arrow keys to move always annoyed me. So when customizable keys came out, I was extremely happy. Why? The birth of my JHNM layout. J forward, N backward, H left, M right. It's centralized and at an angle so I don't strain my wrist trying to line my fingers up to keys that stack horizontally instead of diagonally, diagonal being the "natural" position my arm is in when I put it on my desk.

As an added plus, guess what? Look at all those keys within finger-shot of your left hand when you position that way. Space bar's right there, ALT key is within reach, and all those other keys are all right there, ready to be assigned to whatever. Combine that with support for a 5-button mouse, and it's a layout that's pretty hard to beat, comfortable and doesn't have the limited space to work with that the other layouts do.

So.. the way I see things personally, fussing over one way or the other is a moot point; I'd say GIVE US FREEDOM!

Oh, another handy thing I forgot to mention. With your pinky and your index fingers, you can feel where your fingers are supposed to be on most keyboards. They usually have some sort of bump on the F and J keys. This becomes advantageous in dark conditions and for those that don't look at the keyboard and aren't used to the layout. You can very quickly and easily reposition your fingers by feeling for the bumps that way.

The traditional set for that part of the keyboard is HJKL, under the right hand home position (well, technically, that's JKL; but ; isn't a good movement key for other reasons).

The classic "dumb terminal" the Lear Siegler ADM3A, even had arrows on those keys.

I've heard this said before and never understood it. Is this something to do with keyboard differences or do right-handers tend to use the right-alt (Alt Gr) key? You see, I use the alt/ctrl/shift (on the left side of the keyboard) and the arrows/page-up/page-down keys on the right. If I used the right alt key, I would be forced to use your preferred combination...which I find really difficult.

Yes, I'm a left-hander...but erm...I control the mouse with my right-hand. (Not unusual...controlling the mouse isn't like controlling a pen.)

From where good old Rogue took its keyset.