To Linden Lab: New Age Identification Process

It occurred to me that I seriously doubt that Integrity/Aristotle, or any other age verification service, would be able to turn down, as proof of age, a notarized letter from a Notary Public stating that the Notary had met the individual, examined their ID, and was satisfied that this person is who they say they are, and that they are over 18 years of age. Sure, it would take longer to mail in a notarized affidavit, and it would cost more for postage and possibly a Notary fee to process it... But would that not eliminate all the objections? The third party does not have to see your confidential information. They just file the notarized letter stating that someone who met you face to face has agreed that you're over 18.

sure. i was just pointing out that the CC card company got this bit wrong:
it's just inadvisable, not illegal. and two forms of ID you lucky thing. here they require three forms of ID from specific categories. although i had no problems opening bank accounts in the 1990s, i had a heck of a job opening one with Halifax a couple of years ago due the ID requirements of all banks now.

reminds me, my library card expires on the 21st and when i enquired about the renewal process, they asked me to take a driving licence, passport or other form of photographic ID, and to make myself presentable because my new card will have my photo on it. they're all at it.

I also dont live in the United States.... so how are we suppose to give out our info?

First of all I wouldn't just give out my personal info like that. Second of all after 2 yrs of playing and i'm well over the hill as we call it, have never been asked for anything.

If I am too old to drive a car from poor eye sight, how am I to produce my drivers license?
Not in the american state, so no social security card.

Isn't our credit card enough? Are you going to want our finger prints too??

If you want to check on the ages of ppl then check on the ones with free accounts whom has recently opened an account? And not bother with us... the older paying accounts.

I have heard many will leave cause of this, and i think it would be ashame to have to sl to come to an end. And many will suffer especially the one who owns land or businesses now.

So maybe we should leave it as is and rely on good sl citizens to report the underaged kids when they meet them.

Red

I'm sorry, but either Robin's information is incorrect, or you must be...it is clearly stated that having an Adult-flagged lot in a Mature sim (that then will be flagged as containing adult content) WILL NOT prevent you from entering, so long as you are identity-verified by their new system. Therefore, by simple rules of logic, the inverse must also be true, which is that, if you are not age-verified by the new system, you will not be able to enter any sim that contains an Adult-flagged lot, because that entire sim will be flagged as containing Adult content.

Walker Moore

Every country does not follow your american country rules so stop telling us whats legal in our countrys and whats not as you have no idea.

Just because you are excited about this and support this verification doesn't make it legal in every country out of your country.

I thought he was from the UK?

I understand the need to have some form of age restriction on the adult grid but I think they are going the wrong way about it, especially charging us for our personal details and what about those people who have alts? Will they get charged multiple times? I know a few people that have alts for retail and camping and I'm sure they will be happy getting charged 3 times to give out the same personal details.

LL need to take a good look at this forum and read how outraged people are before taking the plunge on a doomed age verification system. There are going to be a lot of pissed off ( it's OK to say pissed in some countries =P ) people when they find one day soon they can't access their land or shops because someone flagged the area. Oh well they'll just have to sit on the border and cam in to see how sales are.

Australia doesn't have a "national ID number" system as such, yet. The federal government intends to introduce something similar but is stressing that it is only for use claiming government benefits or services. It will be illegal for anyone else like a business to ask for it (and for a citizen to supply it, I think). This is the only way the feds have any hope of getting community support for the thing. Australians have a history of being extremely hostile to universal "identity card" schemes.

I don't know whether it is illegal to supply identifying information of a valid AU passport to someone online - normally a passport (or notarised photocopy) is in your hot little hand when you supply it for ID - but living under the flight path of an international airport I certainly hope it is!

There's the Electoral Roll I guess - it's illegal not to vote in Australia if you're 18 or older (only way to get people to bother). Getting information out of the Electoral Commission is about as easy as it seems to be to get it out of Linden. They deserve each other.

I suspect driver's licenses can be had in corn flakes packets. No, I'm not in a good mood.

If Linden want SL to be Virtual Disneyland why not just say so? It would save a lot of typing.

Well the estate owner who I own land on seems to think I won't be banned from my own land tho he's not 100% sure, still no word on how I stand with my shop.

As far as age verification goes for me my passport expired last xmas and I don't have plans to go away this year so buggered if I'm spending £80 or whatever it is these days to line LL's pockets, I don't drive and never have and even if I did a 16 year old can get a license anyway. So that leaves my CC and Paypal account which LL have on file and that they say they aren't accepting as proof so I'm totally screwed.

At least with the credit card you had an actual identity!!!! So what if it does not verify age?

Please don't call me an idiot for asking this, but does anybody else wonder if there is a connection between all of these things or not:

1) The government/IRS/FBI/whatever implies that it's time to investigate the legalities of gambling and such in SL

2) Rumors of an FBI kiosk of some sort being built on the mainland "somewhere" for "inquiries" and "informative purposes"

3) Age verification requiring all sorts of documentation that is completely ineffective at proving age, but perfect for tracking people coupled with:

4) Voice implementation which could easily be recorded legally without court order under the Patriot Act by NSA or Homeland Security, providing a much more solid link to the identity of the speaker than typed transcripts could ever provide.

5) A verifier whose name is not disclosed until the last minute

6) The disclosure of said verifier who has a reputation of being a data miner that is easy to check out, the selection of which could be considered business suicide.

7) Tons of private funding showing up, making the cost of indictment or scrutiny unbearable and raising questions as to how much of that funding is actually "private".

All of this seems to be happening at the exact same time. Considering what other companies (AOL, Google, Verizon, etc.) much larger than LL have done in the way of voiding privacy agreements under pressure from governments, is it completely deranged of me to think that LL is not being bullheaded and foolhardy with this, but is being bullied into it?

This is just something I was thinking about for a couple of days, so please. If someone has raised these questions or if I just sound like a stupid conspiracy theorist, please don't bite my head off! I was just wondering...

Ok rumours and conjecture aside, this is an id verification, not an age verification process. They're selling it as age verfification but many governments are raising concerns about virtual worlds and the UK government were talking about it a week or two ago.

The implications realistically are that this cannot remain a voluntary process, I don't think LL considered that people would be so aghast at the proposals, however the people quite clearly are. Even though the vast majority of users don't come to the forums, a sample of forums users would suggest that people are very concerned. I saw a petition with over 1100 names elsewhere complaining about this, that's a lot of users when generally 40,000 is considered a high usage. Whether alts were involved is another matter.

However I am quite prepared to verify to LL via other means, if they want to do a transaction with my passport ID'd bank account then I'm willing to go down that route as long as they do it via methods that stick to the terms of the European data protection act.