1.6 Blows!!!!

I think we should step backward and fix what was wrong with that version before adding new stuff. Instead of remedying problems, they've compounded them. This is the least thought out "upgrade" I've experienced.

In my opinion, the Lindens need to rethink their vision for SL. Instead of jumping ahead with new untested features, they ought to completely fix everything that they already had. Instead of movie streaming, how 'bout fixing lag issues? How 'bout having the servers responsible for less land and content, and provide more service (more prims available, more people allowed in a smaller area, more stable envirnoment)? That would be a huge upgrade and infinitely better for our collective morale.

This "upgrade" is a downgrade.

I think you need to rethink your vision of what SL should be.

Then maybe go build it yourself and invite everyone over to check it out and show them that you're the real deal.

I would if I could, buddy, and it would blow this out of the water. I'm more of a perfectionist than they are.

1. Cross-sim ghosting has been significantly reduced.
2. Crowded areas are significantly less laggy.
3. Picking textures has previews, making it a heck of a lot easier.

How are these not examples of fixing existing problems?

Hiro,

You need to visit more crowded places if you think they're less laggy, because they're not. In fact, they are NOW regularly making letters from my typing disappear altogether (in group and IM chat), freezing my computer, and causing random crashes all of which never happened before.

I haven't done a whole lot of building since the upgrade, but I've never had trouble with the texturing in the past.

I don't even know what you mean by cross-sim ghosting, so I can't answer about that.

While you're more than welcome to your opinion, posting stuff like this to multiple forums will not solve the problem. If you're concerned about seeing action, I would strongly advise you submit your exact problems, backed with data and screenshots, both to the Linden Hotline and/or in-world Bug Reporter.

Given I spent a fair deal of time in Preview 1.6, I will humbly say that this patch was far from unplanned - rather, we (the community) could have used a higher headcount in the test servers and could have provided more data to LL. Since that time has now passed, we must reap what we sow.

The sole exception that I feel was unplanned, by the way - the "changes to texture permissions," will be fixed in 1.6.1.

At any rate, I'll leave it with you to decide whether you'd like to continue crying foul as loudly as possible to no useful end, or if you'd like to help LL actually solve the problem by giving them the data needed to do their job. Note I will not be responding to this post if verbal attacks are directed at me.

Good day.

Good points.

I wasn't going to complain here, but it seems appropriate this time. I hardly even come to the forums, and last tiem I did it was in defense of a group in the community.

It may just be my opinion as you say, but I'm just your average everyday SL player. I occasionally build stuff, but I mostly hang out and attend game events. For someone like me to be complaining means that this version is affecting a lesser involved player (which is what I consider myself to be). I don't know what's so important about getting streaming video in SL, but I do think there are other things they could have turned their attention to. Actually, I even think it was more stable prior to changing their servers that day.

I don't like crashing all the time, and I didn't before. I don't enjoy it seeming like I can't type because the lag is so bad it's taking letters out of my sentences. I also get really frustrated with losing the ability to move my cursor.

So sorry if you don't like my tone, but if this is supposed to be enjoyable, then it ought to be enjoyable. Seems pretty simple. Talk to any Slingo player if you disagree.

**thinks maybe someone needs a new pc....***

I'm astounded at these responses.

Really? It's just me? Everywhere I go people are complaining about this version in game, and you guys are really saying that it's great? Well, I'll take it into consideration, but as I said before, I rarely ever crashed prior to this version. Lag never caused me to have to leave an area before. Maybe you guys should spend more time in game instead of these boards.

Rock, thank you for taking the time to address my post thoughtfully. I do appreciate it.

I have added a fairly lengthy request to the Linden Hotline addressing as many problems as I can find users having with 1.6.

And, as usual, it'll be fixed. And those who scream bloody murder at every x.x.0 version, "I'm selling my L$ and land and getting out of here!", they will, and things will move on.

Some of these changes, like shared drawables, *HAD TO HAPPEN*. No, they aren't tuned yet. But they will be.

And those who get bitchy about the process will pack up and leave.

And then, a year from now, when 2.0 is out, they'll come back and talk about how instrumental they were in the early development of SL.

The preview grid was open for a month. If you think you could have done better, you should have. It was there for long enough for you to get on there and complain about every bug you saw. 1.6.0 has been out for four days, and as usual, the sky is falling.

Go have a drink and get over it, or get a little damned patience.

If you can't, "buddy," there are ways to be more productive.

These are brilliant people pouring hours and hours of work and overtime into something you casually enjoy.

And you just shat on it.

Hope it feels good to be the man.

THere are alot of little tings at are causing problems..lost friends listig mutes broken prim swear tps not working to how are you are flying to you location your flying to! BLA BLA BLA!!!!!!! No increased group listing etc..

Oh yes The dwelling still is not fixed BUT THE ADS ARE STILL showing!

Jeff,

No problem. Always willing to be rational when asked.

Michi,

I've been around for quite a few of the upgrades, and this is the first I've complained about, so I'm not the person you describe. Even when I got bored with SL and didn't come for a few months I kept my land and my account open. You're making assumptions about who I am.

From what I heard there weren't enough people testing out the new version. The only thing I heard about the new version was streaming video, so I had no inclination to go. I don't need streaming video in SL, so it didn't interest me. Sorry.

Icon,

I guess you must be the man. You must be a Linden yourself if you know both their intellect and their working hours.

How great must you be to never ever complain about something that isn't working right. Or are you just saying that you're full of tact and grace? Yeah, I didn't think so.



Let me just leave everyone with this little nugget:

"i have a big good graphic card and a gig of ram and i dont run all that good"

My computer's not bad, but the friend who wrote this obviously has a better machine than I do, and I know she's had troubles as well. She was the one who suggested complaining in the first place.

Yes, Rock, there were not enough people to test 1.6.
I saw Lindens there all the time, testing, but I saw no players. I logged in, and, apart from the first week where everyone looked at the nice new video thing, there were no other players online, or, if any, very few.
So, if this version goes out with a feature you did not like.. you should have been there. You rely on this "movie feature" that is "not interesting".. but there is more to the update, and you knew it.
They pushed the release back with every major bug found, and they fixed a lot, but in a MMO you cannot fix every bug there is.. the program is complex, and some stuff only shows under realistic stress load.
So, while the overall 1.6 start might be not as smooth as you and some others hoped for, I heard it was WAY better than the start of 1.5, and a lot of the changes in the client, like the edit tools, were actually called for by people here on these forums. Some major bugs came up, and they will be fixed. Some minor bugs remain, and they will get fixed.

*meow*
Leopard Loveless

Actually, I didn't know of anything beyond video streaming until maybe the day before when someone said that they were claiming to have fixed some other features. That's still not enough to get me there to look at it, and I really, truly doubt I'd have noticed the problems I'm experiencing (mostly because they require a reasonable crowd and a scripted game).

Oh, I also heard that they were going to draw the av as one prim so hair would load quickly, but that's obviously not the case either (and once again wasn't much of a reason for me to check it out).

In the future I will try to make sure I test the new versions. It's amazing that all of you who did test it couldn't get your friends to go or anything. I might have gone if I was invited or something, but that didn't happen. Perhaps they should have promoted it more. Who knows. What is clear is that a whole lot of us didn't care enough about an upgrade to go check it out, which must mean that either people didn't want the new version, didn't care about the new version, or didn't have faith that anything could be accomplished by going.

I think it is more that too many are just interested in the new features, go to the preview, check them out quickly and then do not care anymore.
Testing is rather bothersome, doing the same stuff after every patch to the system.. so many won't do it. It's okay, they are not required to, but Linden testing alone is not enough in a project as complex as this, and it is during the preview where you can still influence things, you know.

No idea how we can get more people to join the previews for the testing, really, tho.

*meow*
Leopard Loveless

Maybe you shouldn't hang around a bunch of whiners.

- Ace

I think its REALLY unfair to call ppl whiners, sure they ARE whining, but only cos they are paying money for something that, in some cases, is completley unusable!

I agree, we ALL need patience, we ALL need to pull together and help the Lindens fix bugs, and yeah, some ppl ARE whining, but its highly frustrating when your trying to do something and you lag to death and crash.

Maybe if a few more ppl tested the damn preview grid we wouldn't have as many issues, but its really unfair to jump on ppl that are obviously above frustrated and are simply using these forums to express their own opinions.

I for one am experiencing some problems, but nothing major, and I can live with it, because I know these bugs are going to be fixed with the next update, but for some ppl its obviously gotten to the stage of 'fuck it I cannot be arsed anymore', which in extreme cases is understandable

I think the Lindens do a GREAT job in providing a fab environment, and they are probably just as frustated as us, but ppl , can't we just see it from both sides of the fence here?

The problems in Second Life will be fixed, if your having problems getting invited into the Preview next time.. Don't wait to be invited just do what we do! Storm your ass in there and point out the problems! =D This way their will be less problems.. [I hope]

well their intellect is pretty obvious from the game we all spend so much time in, even if you don't go to town hall meetings or read announcements and such. for working hours.......the couple days right after the update there were Lindens posting announcements about what they were doing and dealing with peoples issues on here at 1:00 and 2:00 AM. they're putting in the over time. it was the same thing for the last update too.

anyways.....jumping all over the forums saying it sucks and especially saying you could do it better just makes you look like a jerk. it's always going to sound worse than it is cause the people with problems will scream their heads off.

Well, with 1.6.1 beeing on the preview atm.. I hereby invite you to test it out

I'm really getting a kick out of people making me the bad guy for complaining. As if they themselves would never consider it. Assumptions on my character are pretty far fetched.

Zuzi, people are different in the way they do things. Some people forge ahead without no practical thought, and some plod ahead paying attention and getting the details right to the greatest degree possible the first time. In my opinion, LL should have looked towards improving the things that weren't working previously. I don't think they should have added streaming movies until the previous version was fixed. Perhaps someone on the staff there convinced management that streaming movies wasn't going to be a big deal to throw in with the upgrade. I really don't know.

What I do know is that the game play now doesn't have people raving about how great the new version is. I also know that people on all kinds of machines are voluntarily relogging now as a coping mechanism to deal with the new lag. Since lag was an issue before, and is now an even greater issue (at least in crowded spaces), perhaps they should have worked on remedies for lag. Does that sound reasonable?

I play SL-ingo a whole lot, and the creators of it say they couldn't bring their game into the demo for testing. The first night of the new version a lot of people had to leave the area due to crippling lag and crashes.


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Leopard

I don't see a preview for 1.6.1. Also, as I mentioned above the common events people attend that require scripted objects and a crowd to really test. Since you can't import the [SL-ingo] game from SL, and you can't get a crowd to play it in the demo there's really no way to recreate what my SL-ingo buddies and I are experiencing.

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Another Opinion From Another Post

Siro Mfume
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 151 client performance

I'm curious as to why we got a 1.6 update that bogged down the client more than it helped.
I'm curious as to why we got a feature to stream video, when video is generally only acceptable at 22+ frames per second and you'll only get that on a wing and a prayer.
I'm curious as to why I have menu glows, chat bubbles, name bubbles and other interfacery when I can WALK across the sim borders in the new welcome area and have the grid lose track of me.
I'm curious as to why ATI cards, which under Catalyst 5.3 have full OpenGL 2.0 support, still aren't properly supported in SL. They don't have crappy opengl support, they run everything else great. So what's the problem, still?
I'm curious as to why prim drift, a long destroyer of builds, even linden builds, has not yet been fixed.
I'm curious as to why this stuff isn't in the known issues area of support. Do they REALLY not know?
I'm curious as to why people defend this junk, like it's not broken to hell, saying it must be the person's system when things of far more complexity and processing demand render far better.

i'll stick my nose in on a technicality:

wrt ATi cards, "they run everything else great" sounds like a stretch to me. those cards have a bad rep among users of Alias software - and Alias is pretty much at the top of the graphics mountain (didn't they - as part of SGI - create OpenGL to start with?). so while i wouldn't disagree in principle, i'd have to point out the error in that statement. ATi is well-known to have issues with other OpenGL apps.