Shaking head @ Lindens - Group Management

Your logic astounds me....

personally I'd AR the person and the groups... however I take offense at the following supposition...

I don't have ANY responsability to LL to report anything... I DO report some things, but it's not my JOB, and if I don't feel like it....pfft I don't

now my question is, since you can hide groups now, why was this person showing those groups in their profile? political stance? advertising? brain damage? to me they were asking for it at any rate

Just when you thought you'd seen the last of the 'Age Play' threads......... wham.

I think all of us can agree that we're entitled to certain basic freedoms of expression. The disagreements begin because that imaginary line of 'too far' varies from person to person. Some deny a line exists at all.

This isn't a battle that's productive debating. No minds will ever be changed on this one.

Those that feel that two (or more) consenting adults are entitled to do *anything* they please in private are firm in those beliefs. No amount of passionate arguments or compelling logic will change their minds. The same goes for those who feel that feel that its possible to take freedom of expression too far.

Abuse report the groups if you feel they're in violation. If you don't, carry on

Why not just AR the groups? They definitely are the issue, since that activity isn't allowed.

The person will get whatever the other group members get as a sanction.

I see no reason to AR a person simply because you looked in their profile and didn't like the groups they belonged to.

For all you know she never once had AV sex as or with a child Av. She simply is a member of the group.

I agree with Colette on this. Unless this AV had further description of banned acts in their profile, I don't see how she can be AR'd for belonging to groups with unpleasant names.

Of course, you also need to look at the group description. You would be ARing the group because you believe it facilitates pedophilia roleplay, not simply for a suggestive name, correct? You want to be sure that is what the group actually claims to do; falsely reporting a person or group for such a universally reviled practice would be most grievous.

In this particular instance, I'd just AR her and let the Lindens sort it out.

What about live and let live?

It isn't because something has been declared inappropriate that you HAVE to act and be an annoying neighbor.

Do you call the cops each time your neighbors are listening to music too loud? considering they tolerate that you grow cannabis in your backyard?

You're a child abuser/molester's dream.

That's possible, but i really don't care, especially in a virtual world.
Some peoples are just too anal about emotionally charged topics.

~yawn~
live and let live.
i dont understand why so many people feel a burning need to worry about what other consenting adults are up to.

mind your own pot.

too many sticky-beaks on the grid.
i blame daniel linden.

As I stated before, the groups for the most part have managed to keep their noses above water by claiming that there is no incest or ageplay. My AR stated that I was not particularly concerned with the AV herself but that it is apparent this lifestyle is still going on, and not getting the attention that the was stated by the Lindens. However... to give you a little more to knaw on.

AV's Profile About: "Young smart precocious girl, experienced for her age, enjoys meeting Older men and women, Daddies and Mommies, for sexual exploration. Can be bi and sub, have had many experiences for my age. I'm pretty and fun and obedient."

Quite apparent what she wants.

Group Titles: Daddy's Daughters's Club, Daddy's Girls, Daddy's TOYS, Dirtylil Girls, Dirty Lil Sluts, Dirty Old Men, RAPE ME, Roleplay-Daddy/Girl, School Girls Gone Bad, Teen Hooker, Young Escorts for Money.... just to name a few.

... and yes ... I do believe in Live and let Live, but I also have a right to free speach to ask others opinions, positive or negative on a subject. However... for those who believe in live or let live. If you noticed your RL or SL neighbor with a high volume of underaged girls entering his house. You'd live and let live? Yes we are talking VL vs RL... but I really see no difference when it comes to this subject.

I agree with the person that states, if they are doing it in SL, then it's keeping them off the streets and doing it in RL. However, you could also say that they are doing it in SL to get their "foreplay" and then still going out and doing it in RL.

Roleplay whether in SL or RL is the "players" way to fantasize and live out their fantasies. BDSM Roleplay whether dominant or submissive is lived out in RL communities. But again it is consentual. RL pedophile victims are not consenting, so why should we let them consent in SL?

Maybe, dunno. But somehow we've managed to convince ourselves that this argument doesn't apply to violence: nobody seems to believe anymore that virtual violence leads to RL violence, when the actual experimental results aren't nearly that clear-cut. And in this case, unless it leads to an actual increase in the number of RL offenses, what difference does it make?Well, but the analogy is kind of off. Seems to me the RL analog to virtual ageplay isn't RL paedophilia so much as wifey dressing up in the schoolgirl uniform.

None of which is really intended to argue against filing an AR, but as some reasoning behind the "live and let live" position. (Personally, I find Har's argument pretty compelling that this kinda stuff further harms SL's reputation; I don't buy the idea that it has any relevance at all to RL child molestation.)

Maybe I'm missing something here but shouldn't we be focusing on AR'ing the activities, not focusing on group names. Once we focus on group names, people that are innocent are going to get banned. Groups like Teen hooker and School girls gone bad does not equal Child pornography. I think once we see groups called "sex with under 18 school girls" then LL would need to investigate.

I would imagine it is getting the attention of the Governance team. Profiles and groups are not stopped from anything anything, but caught after the fact, much like how you can say whatever you want on these forums, but a lot of things will get a thread locked, a person ARed, etc.

As I have a Linden tell me to change my profile *immediately* the other day to remove the phrase "I'm a preschooler," I can pretty much suspect that avvies profile would be well over the line.

'course, it could be Chris Hansen's avatar, too

Mari

Tell that to Zoe Garcia, 7, who died when her sister and friend indulged in a little too much Mortal Kombat and Finished Her.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/20/mortal.kombat.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

O.o seriously?

Bah

Because in RL they are actually children, actually victims. This AV verified as over 18 ... she is roleplaying a child. The language in her profile was clearly written by an adult. Looking at what you posted, it seems to me this AV's experience is closer to what Qie mentioned - an adult in RL dressing up as a schoolgirl for roleplay. However, who knows what her partners are thinking - they may/may not be actual pedophiles.

Of course, that opinion is irrelevant because LL has banned the activity. Which I think they had to, to avoid prosecution by RL groups.

There are many in the world who simply do not "get" roleplay of any kind, the OP not being one of them. I would hate to see all sexual roleplay disappear from SL and the web in general, as I think it provides legitimate outlets for many who are physically or socially unable to engage in RL sex at all, and who therefore need intense experiences. Actual real-life pedophilia is obviously heinous, well-roleplayed pedophilia may indeed feed these behaviors, not slake them (I am not a shrink and do not know). But I fear that there is a slippery slope here that may end in organizations campaigning against sexuality in SL. To me, ARing AVs who have not engaged in banned behavior in my sight is a big step down that slope.

If you noticed the police blotter you see two reports of "under age AGEPLAY" . So they are doing something about it.
This thread is making me feel sick. Now i have nightmares when sleep 5 mins from now.

Well, the new search seems to do work pretty well on profiles :/

It mentions "barely of age" in its FL tab and the profile picture has one of those ambiguous could be 15, could be 20 kinds of looks. The only thing for certain is that the Linden who has to look at this will be going home with a headache, no matter the outcome.

Yeah, just look at Brenda. She's a grown up, and she's definitely a school girl gone bad...

What about Teen Hooker?

18 and 19 are still teen....

Depends on the age, 18 and 19 are still technically teens.

I feel sick to my stomach now.