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Personal Boycott of ads listed with/on ad farms

Trella McMahon
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08-21-2007 10:03
Yes, yet another thread on ad farms.
I am so tired as so many of the ad farms ruining the SL views I am now taking notes of every business I see advertised on/in one and am boycotting all of them, Maybe by not buying their products they will rethink their advertising methods.. There are far more creative and better ways to advertise without destroying the SL mainland view! It is so sad what they are doing to the creative beautiful potential of SL.. As a business owner I say this too, owners we can design with green in mind too ;)

I am also listing them in RL and contacting any RL ad monsters using SL ad farms to as well let them know how bad it looks, then to boycott them in RL as well. They can easily place ads through out SL with out destroying the land, and be known for a bit of ethics in advertising.

Many Blessings & Best Wishes,,
KC Despres
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08-21-2007 20:47
I have been boycotting businesses with camping. I don't know what it is about camping - it just turns me off, especially those with animations of people doing menial laber. Here's an idea for you vendors wanting to use campers - make them look like they're shopping! Then I won't know they're campers and I might inadvertantly buy from you. The only time I buy from a place that has campers is when I really want the item and I can't or won't take the time to find it somewhere else. So far my boycott hasn't phased anyone in the least though.

Now I've heard a lot about ad farms, and they sound really awful. I don't know that I've ever really seen one. I must not hang out in those areas. I wish there were a place you could safely post your list of ad farm merchants. I'd avoid those too right along with you - but you can't post them here.
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08-21-2007 21:00
i don`t even buy if i can`t find the item anywhere else besides that camp zone...

allways check the creator on the box and look in their profile for their main store and buy there so they don`t get a zombie sale
FD Spark
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08-21-2007 21:36
I don't think boycotting spinning ads really matters for me personally because I don't use their services. I got several in my sim Nakji. I sure in heck not going to buy from them.
Also by the way for those who have assumptions about camping.
Its non-existant already for residents, it only exist for bots and those who are using them to boost their own lots traffic.
Everyone knows the traffic and popular places are a joke.
Very few are there for legitiimate reasons.
Avacea Fasching
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08-21-2007 22:12
Ad lots I hate them

Search, Act and Participate in the " Arbor Project "

I ban them - I block them - i boycott them - I fling poo on a spork at them.

I never give into high pressure sale types.

OTOH.......
A clean looking static billboard at a low level near a road - well that might be ok


Did i mention I block them?
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Nina Stepford
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08-21-2007 22:29
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From: Trella McMahon
Yes, yet another thread on ad farms.
I am so tired as so many of the ad farms ruining the SL views I am now taking notes of every business I see advertised on/in one and am boycotting all of them, Maybe by not buying their products they will rethink their advertising methods.. There are far more creative and better ways to advertise without destroying the SL mainland view! It is so sad what they are doing to the creative beautiful potential of SL.. As a business owner I say this too, owners we can design with green in mind too ;)

I am also listing them in RL and contacting any RL ad monsters using SL ad farms to as well let them know how bad it looks, then to boycott them in RL as well. They can easily place ads through out SL with out destroying the land, and be known for a bit of ethics in advertising.

Many Blessings & Best Wishes,,
Morwen Bunin
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08-22-2007 01:52
As I basically ignore them I would have no idea if I buy at them or not.

Morwen.
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08-22-2007 02:10
From: Avacea Fasching
Search, Act and Participate in the " Arbor Project "


And while you're at it, check out the Clocktower Project as well.
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Valentino Tendaze
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08-22-2007 02:22
From: Avacea Fasching
Search, Act and Participate in the " Arbor Project "

The Arbor Project is currently sponsoring a JIRA proposal to stop Advertising anything less than 128 square meters, i.e. eliminate them from Search/Land Sales.



The Lindens are now engaging with this - it's #3 in the 'most popular issues' in this category (and #13 overall - only 2 votes away from being #12 ;-) We finally have a chance of getting something done and reducing the blight on the Mainland :-)

PLEASE vote for this one if you want something done about Ad Farms.
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Stylee Streeter
I am not an adfarmer ok!!
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08-22-2007 02:32
lol this was a stupid idea anyway. if you check out the jira you can see home many poeple are apposed to it.

live and let live. thats what i say.

if you dont want to use the companies advertising that is your choice. but they are part of the game. so you may aswell get used to them ;)
Trella McMahon
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08-22-2007 02:53
stupid for those with RL ad products, I have emailed that I have found too in RL advertising by this means of ad farms, who stated they will now be pulling advertising by those methods and find better ways to move their products in and out of game. I am taking in game snap shots of their ads and sending them to them too. I have also let them know I won't be using their products in or out of world until they do pull them from ad farms and I will let anyone know how they choose to advertise by polluting the view. If just one removes ads by this nasty method, and finds more lovely ways to move their products in and out of game, it is one less destroying the views of SL.
Tegg Bode
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08-22-2007 02:55
When I see 24 different signs in the same paddock to legitimate businesses, instead of all adds the same to the same dead link, I'll believe its real advertising, no deliberate uglification and land extortion.
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Roland Gray
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08-22-2007 02:57
I think you miss the point Stylee. A lot of this advertising comes from RL companies who are NOT part of the 'game', and I strongly suspect that they provide the bulk of an ad-farmers income.
'Live and let live' is a very fine principle to live by and I admire you for that, but how do you feel when someone poops outside your front door?
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I just posted this in a separate thread
Does anyone ever read those spinning ads ? Not me certainly, I have a finely tuned visual ad removal system embedded in my brain. However I did take timeout to actually take note of a few to see what they were promoting and saw that a lot of them were pointing back to RL. This got me thinking that one way to rid SL of ad farmers would be to dry up their advertising income, I wonder how the companies buying the ad space would react if their goods and services were boycotted as a result of ad farms? Would it be a TOS violation if some un-named residents collected a mailing list together, and masses of other un-named residents emailed those companies (weekly) expaining that because of ad-farming, 'buying their goods' and 'hell freezing over' were roughly equivalent.
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08-22-2007 03:07
From: Roland Gray
I think you miss the point Stylee. A lot of this advertising comes from RL companies who are NOT part of the 'game', and I strongly suspect that they provide the bulk of an ad-farmers income.
'Live and let live' is a very fine principle to live by and I admire you for that, but how do you feel when someone poops outside your front door?
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I just posted this in a separate thread
Does anyone ever read those spinning ads ? Not me certainly, I have a finely tuned visual ad removal system embedded in my brain. However I did take timeout to actually take note of a few to see what they were promoting and saw that a lot of them were pointing back to RL. This got me thinking that one way to rid SL of ad farmers would be to dry up their advertising income, I wonder how the companies buying the ad space would react if their goods and services were boycotted as a result of ad farms? Would it be a TOS violation if some un-named residents collected a mailing list together, and masses of other un-named residents emailed those companies (weekly) expaining that because of ad-farming, 'buying their goods' and 'hell freezing over' were roughly equivalent.


Well I suspect some of them wouldn't be happy to find the 50 ads they paid for were all shoved together in one paddock too......
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Qie Niangao
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08-22-2007 03:09
From: Stylee Streeter
lol this was a stupid idea anyway.
Nice. Laugh at them and tell them they're stupid. Dale Carnegie would be proud.

The Arbor Project / Clocktower Network proposal is a good step to reduce the viability of current adfarm business practices for the future. Unfortunately, it doesn't really help that much with existing adfarms, but it's nonetheless well worth a jira vote.

A proposal being discussed in another thread would make tier a function of both total sq.m. and number of parcels owned. This seems a good approach to reducing the viability of existing adfarms.

None of this can--or should--stop advertising. But something will soon address "the tragedy of the commons" by which the adfarms survive, parasitically exploiting the surrounding property. Anyone still buying 16sq.m. parcels for adfarm use at this late date is as blind as those few foolish casino owners who kept investing even after the ban on gambling ads.

(Oh, that reminds me: Be sure to AR any adfarm prims that have anything to do with gambling.)
Stylee Streeter
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08-22-2007 03:10
From: Roland Gray
I think you miss the point Stylee. A lot of this advertising comes from RL companies who are NOT part of the 'game', and I strongly suspect that they provide the bulk of an ad-farmers income.
'Live and let live' is a very fine principle to live by and I admire you for that, but how do you feel when someone poops outside your front door?
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I just posted this in a separate thread
Does anyone ever read those spinning ads ? Not me certainly, I have a finely tuned visual ad removal system embedded in my brain. However I did take timeout to actually take note of a few to see what they were promoting and saw that a lot of them were pointing back to RL. This got me thinking that one way to rid SL of ad farmers would be to dry up their advertising income, I wonder how the companies buying the ad space would react if their goods and services were boycotted as a result of ad farms? Would it be a TOS violation if some un-named residents collected a mailing list together, and masses of other un-named residents emailed those companies (weekly) expaining that because of ad-farming, 'buying their goods' and 'hell freezing over' were roughly equivalent.


yes well thats all well and good in principal., but the majority of SL users dont share your views and continualy click on links in adverts inworld so there is a very strong market, which a few geeks on a forum would have an insignificant effect in boycotting.

these threads appear time and time again from the same group of people, and if anything adsales go up as a result of it. so all im saying is your wasting your energy. you have more chance of banning trees inworld lol.
Roland Gray
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08-22-2007 03:40
I’m always suspicious of unsubstantiated claims about what the ‘majority’ of residents ‘want’ or ‘do’, and I can’t help but wonder if Stylee has an insiders knowledge about the ‘click’ effectiveness of such advertising.
Of course advertising is necessary to any economy and I do not want to see it disappear. I will give you an example of what I find despicable and gets responsible advertisers a bad name. A region next to mine has no roads, no passing traffic (as if anyone drives or walks the roads in SL) and is given over to mostly residential, just your average region. BUT slap in the middle a 512 plot has been dived into 16s with just a couple of huge spinning off-world ads. Most of these 16s are for sale cheap, with the exception of the two carrying the spinners, which are offered at grossly inflated prices. Now someone please explain how that is not extortion and is legitimate advertising.
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08-22-2007 03:45
of course hes familiar. many of the adplots are his, including the beach property i mentioned earlier.
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08-22-2007 04:27
*moves*
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08-24-2007 11:20
You may not like them, but thats where the money is in sl, since the sl advertising classified are almost useless, businesses have gone to great lengths to be seen by the masses. I do not like this either but i fully understand why it has come to be. I also believe, even thou i detest them, that it is thier right to do what they wish on THIER LAND. if you dont like it, 1) buy them up so they go away or 2) block all view of them or 3) move away from them, but saying LL shouldnt allow such is rediculas, its thier rights its thier lands, period. When you buy land in SL you dont buy rights to view anything beyond your own land edge, thats just the way it is.

I HATE AD FARMS
I RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES RIGHTS TO USE THIER LAND AS THEY SEE FIT, why dont you?
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08-24-2007 11:28
From: Dawn Islander
I RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES RIGHTS TO USE THIER LAND AS THEY SEE FIT, why dont you?

WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO..

/me clears her throat. "Excuse me"

What about people who buy neighboring land *only* to harrass you into buying it from them for some insane amount of money?

And yes, Stylee is an ad farmer though the only plots of his that I've seen had big rotating For Sale signs on them. (I assume naming names of people in the thread is ok.. /me will edit that out if not)
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Arsenic Soyinka
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08-24-2007 12:12
.

for those people who hate Ad Farms on this
mock-reality-escape-from-reality-mock-reality-game,
why not build a very high wall around your property
with pretty scenic images attached to each of the 4 sides
of your property?

that way you wont have to look at those ugly annoying Farm Ads ...

not only that ...
you could also change the scenery any time you like
to whatever you like ...

i mean ... what difference does it really make
if your scenic view is up against your property
or at the edge of the Sim ...

and if you are really good at textures & scenic designs
no one should be able to tell the difference

i know ... you wont be able to walk out your door
and breathe all of that your world and your imaginary Second Life air ...

but you could fly out, up and away ...
why walk when you can fly ...
and besides, walking around just takes up too much time

and here's another thought ...

someone should start a business called
"Scenic Design Blockers To Thwart Ad Farms For Property Owners" ...
just for that purpose

and in order to get their business known and off the ground,
they could specifically demographically target their ads
on cluttered and populated Sims, that have all of those
poop-on-your-door ugly Ad Farms!


its bound to be a good money maker!

especially now since gambling is gone


.
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08-24-2007 12:16
Because compared to a 'real' view, giant walls with painted views don't look very nice?
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08-25-2007 01:57
From: Arsenic Soyinka
.

for those people who hate Ad Farms on this
mock-reality-escape-from-reality-mock-reality-game,
why not build a very high wall around your property
with pretty scenic images attached to each of the 4 sides
of your property?

that way you wont have to look at those ugly annoying Farm Ads ...

not only that ...
you could also change the scenery any time you like
to whatever you like ...

i mean ... what difference does it really make
if your scenic view is up against your property
or at the edge of the Sim ...

and if you are really good at textures & scenic designs
no one should be able to tell the difference

i know ... you wont be able to walk out your door
and breathe all of that your world and your imaginary Second Life air ...

but you could fly out, up and away ...
why walk when you can fly ...
and besides, walking around just takes up too much time

and here's another thought ...

someone should start a business called
"Scenic Design Blockers To Thwart Ad Farms For Property Owners" ...
just for that purpose

and in order to get their business known and off the ground,
they could specifically demographically target their ads
on cluttered and populated Sims, that have all of those
poop-on-your-door ugly Ad Farms!

its bound to be a good money maker!

especially now since gambling is gone

.


I take it you would do so with a smile yourself when someone surounded your land with 40 rotating porn & for sale signs.

I don't mind the ones that advertise SL products, but most are just repetative adfarmer extortion & garbage.
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08-25-2007 02:44
From: Tegg Bode
I take it you would do so with a smile yourself when someone surounded your land with 40 rotating porn & for sale signs.

I don't mind the ones that advertise SL products, but most are just repetative adfarmer extortion & garbage.


At $10,000L for a 16 sq. m plot, I don't think advertising is the first concern. It would take well over $500us to clean up and rejoin a 256 sq. m.

For some of us, that's a considerable amount of money, so I don't buy into the "if you don't like it, just buy the plots."
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