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THE Elbow Room GONE and so is elex

Talon Lardner
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Join date: 5 Oct 2005
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04-01-2006 20:27
Wow... this Elbow Room seemed like a nice place from your descriptions. It's a shame I never been there, but I hope I may find a club like it soon!
Elde Eponym
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Join date: 14 Feb 2006
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04-02-2006 01:25
From: Kami Harbinger
I suspect a lot of it is the upcoming end of DI. It's still possible to really whore the tip jar and keep it profitable, but it's a lot harder and more time-consuming. Killing camping chairs is a noble motive, but it makes life difficult for people who do good stuff, too.


Your suspicion would be wrong. He left because he failed to get a Liason position (at least that's the tale he tells).
Usagi Musashi
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04-02-2006 03:23
From: Elde Eponym
Your suspicion would be wrong. He left because he failed to get a Liason position (at least that's the tale he tells).


Go did he get that job?! This could be one heck of a PR thingy for elex?
Usagi Musashi
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04-07-2006 00:32
well it looks like elex is beack with us again god bless us :)
ZsuZsanna Raven
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04-07-2006 07:37
I dunno but I wonder if people say they are leaving just to get people to beg them to stay and to draw in more crowds. I remember him saying he was closing down several times, and each time it never happened. It makes one wonder...
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Vivianne Draper
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04-07-2006 08:31
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
You know, while I liked the Elbow Room and consider Elex a friend, I'm not sure if your statement above is a bad thing.

Entertainment is at its finest when its done from the heart. Otherwise you end up with Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, and all the other talentless clones out there. The event in Philly this past weekend proved that in RL and SL, events are best when they're done because of a passion for the entertainment being provided; not for a quick buck.

Regards,

-Flip


Flip;

You know I'd love to agree with you but do you have any idea how much live musicians charge? As an entertainment venue manager who has committed to having 2 live musical acts per month, I can tell you its a pretty penny. Even if we put out a donation box, which we are going to do, we won't come close to breaking even.

There's a lot of people exhorting clubs and venues to provide free entertainment. But these same people are not exerting the same pressure on DJs, hosts, and musicians. Why not? We would be willing to have entertainment every night at the Spa if it were free to us as well -- but its not. It costs us a lot.

When I hear you saying entertainment should come from the heart, I have to wonder if you are also asking entertainers to provide it thusly.
Sidra Stern
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Join date: 18 Oct 2004
Posts: 73
04-07-2006 09:41
The Elbow Room is back... new and improved!!!!
Persephone Phoenix
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Join date: 5 Nov 2004
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Entertainment at its finest
04-07-2006 09:54
Would we say the same thing about creators of other kinds of content, Flip? That they are at their best when they do stuff for free and even pay others to take it? While it is true that some bands you may not like get paid for performing, it is also likely true that many bands you adore get paid for performing. Why is it that we assume that an artwork or cultural enterprise is worthless if those making it want to recoup their costs?

Why is it that artists are supposed to provide art for free? entertainers to entertain for free? venue owners to pay out of pocket for everyone to come, for free, to have fun?

I think the original intent of SL's setup was visioned to serve a different type of entertainment: theme sims or games that professional developers were to set up. I say this because of the design of the land pass system and how it is not really geared toward the entertainment we have at present. We have four realistic options ahead of us, as we are at a critical juncture.

1. Advertisers step in and take over where DI left off to provide sponsorship to events venues. (As I have mentioned in the past, this is fairly difficult for venues to do, in my experience, unless one avoids all controversy (difficult in SL? Yes.))

2. Pay as You Play (events goers use box offices or donation boxes or whatnot to pay for the entertainment that they attend)

3. LL provides the entertainment for us

4. LL contracts out of world agencies to provide the entertainment for us (gaming companies, MTV, etc.)

I suppose what kind of world we see will be up to us. I've heard a lot of sentiment that was anti event producer (another poster called them Leeching event producers just for wanting to recoup their own costs).

I think loving what one does is essential, or one does not do it well. I think, also, that it is fair for one to be compensated for one's efforts, no matter what field one works in. The arguments many have made that event producers should be doing it out of pockets and for love alone seems to single them out and make them oddly immune from the standards we would impose elsewhere.

For example, I'm sure that the makers of whatever threads your avie is wearing right at the moment made those threads with care, with love. But you most likely paid for them too, and had no qualms about doing that.

Cheers, Everyone, and have a great weekend. Elex, and The Elbow Room, you will be missed. (OR, if it is true that it is back, better than ever, Welcome Back!) :-)
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Usagi Musashi
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04-07-2006 21:32
From: ZsuZsanna Raven
I dunno but I wonder if people say they are leaving just to get people to beg them to stay and to draw in more crowds. I remember him saying he was closing down several times, and each time it never happened. It makes one wonder...


Thisis not the case with elex. I know inthe past some less then creative people have done this, but elex not the type.
Delpha Deckard
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Join date: 14 Apr 2005
Posts: 87
04-07-2006 22:12
Yes, Elex and the Elbow Room are back. It was good to see him building and Sidra sitting on the wall :P Cheers!

-Delpha
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