PLEASE READ THIS IF YOU RENT VENDOR SPACE! do not rent from here!

A "no refunds" clause means the landlord is not obliged to refund your rent if you the tenant decide that you don't want to continue the lease and instead ask for your money back.

It's not carte blanche for the landlord to welch on her promise to provide you land in exchange for rent by both refusing to supply the land AND keeping your money. By refusing to supply the land for the period she agreed she has broken her promise and has no entitlement to your rent money in the first place, its not a matter of you asking for a refund, its a matter of her not being entitled to keep your money at all.

To illustrate, a lot of RL stores have a no returns/no refunds policy. If you went into that store to say buy a widget and handed over your money does anyone think the store owner could then say "oh sorry we are all out of widgets but I'll be keeping your money because we have a no refunds policy".

Unfortunately in SL there is no redress for such actions other than doing what you have done, which is to bring it to other people's attention that this person is not someone you can trust to do business with.

The only other thing I can suggest is only to pay rent in advance for the shortest period possible then if you get screwed over your loss is limited.

people are forgetting also that linden can be made into real life $. lets take a example here:

this person has say 200 rent stalls that she charges say $500/month for, and 200 people get into them.

$500L X 200 people is $10,000L a month. now assume that the linden is trading at $300L for $1 USD, so she takes that $10,000L and sells all of it. we have $34 in real life money as a example. not too shabby. suppose it's much bigger then that though with say 500 or 1000 stalls, or multiple properties to rent vendor stalls on? or the cost to rent the stall because it's a high traffic area is much more?

my examples might be flawed here, but it still serves to show that because of the fact real life money is involved here, that with it comes problems. what about those that purchase lindens, not sit in camp chairs for them? then you have more problems also.

if this was just a game with a fake economy like the sims, simcity 2000, etc or something there would be less room for bitching. because it can be tied together with real life hard earned money made at your 9-5 job, issues flare up....

Apart from the fact that your math is dead spot on, I must say that almost everyone knows that Linden could be converted to USD.

Apparently the 'hey, what are you bitching about, it's just a game' posters in this thread overlooked that point.

I guess I'll need to be careful paying out several month in advance at some lesser known places.

Yeah, don't pay more than 1 month in advance, please. Just don't.

It's too risky. Once you've been renting from them for like a year, feel free, but not right away...

500*200 = 10,000 ???

i think you will find its L$ 100.000 which is about $333 in real money

i just about make my tier ever month of $40 in sl and make nowwere near as much as the mall owner

If I could get enough pre-interest I would buy some land I found somewhere and build a mall...

Say 7168sq, that would be 1638 prims, having 50 stalls would give 20 prims each and room for me to build the actual mall...

50 stalls to cover my costs would need to pay approximately 400L per month for their stall...

But would I find 50 people wanting a stall for 400L/month? Or a bunch of people wanting double pitches too...

I would just need the interest there before I do it because it wont only put me on the $40 tier but the land would cost around 40000L too... Then my time building it and looking for vendors...

Anyone thing it's worth it? 40000L is like a few $100... o.0

Gina, Andie, other businesses..look at it like this, I know from personal experience you are excellent, paying, loyal vendors and having had a similar situation quickly refunded ALL my vendors and tried contacting most to let them know when we bought our bigger plot we were going back up. Whomever did this to you did this to others....and its thier loss when they rebuild or are back up and running a month from now somewhere else because who would have the desire to rent from them having been through this experience???
So you may have lost a few L's..but this person in long run loses a LOT of L's for a good long time..so it all works out in the end that what comes around goes around even in virtual realities.

I think most mall or rental owners will want to retain business over the long haul so screwing customers or vendors won't get you very far. I think some people made valid comments so with that said,

1. Be careful about duration of rents-a month at a time is plenty.
2. Do due diligence when renting somewhere, check to see if other vendors are happy and if there are any complaints about the owner(s).
3. Finally remember most people that run malls are basically decent, just like most of the player population.

Had this happen to me and about 4 other vendors I know. Mall was knocked down, items returned, then rebuilt two days later. No refunds given on the early termination fees at all! Needless to say, none of us patronize this mall anymore...

Just want to add there are alot of great malls out there in SL. Talking to other vendors is a great way to get referrals

Hi All,
I am gonna hope that this post is not gonna get me in trouble. I am not selling anything. Just wanted to help out. I posted earlier that I would offer some space to anyone who wanted to set their items up for sale on my land, at no cost. I am keeping my word, and just posting to let you know. You can IM me in world. Have a good one eveybody.

Tenni

I'm naming names!

MarmelaGramela Doesburg = rawkin' landlord

I have known Marm since i began SL and I rent a large plot from her and plan on renting more. Marm is totally responsible, has awesome pricing and takes her SL life pretty seriously so I have faith she isn't going to leave the game or sell the land I'm sitting on without plenty of warning and first option to buy. If your going to rent, try to ask around and get recommendations. I wouldn't have rented from anyone I didn't know or anyone who did not demonstrate a commitment to their second lives.

I'm sorry this happened to you. While I have had plenty of mall spots that suddenly returned everyone's stuff , not one has not refunded my remaining rent. I have never even had to ask. This lady is a biotch in my opinion. She wasn't even courteous in the IMs. I mean if something terrible happened in her RL and she had to sell all her land quickly and cash out to pay for a baboon heart or something, she could at least be nice and say sorry, i dont have it to refund. "meet mute" is pretty harsh and unprofessional business practice.

i rent all over and can tell you 100 per week for 20 prims is on the high side. i wouldn't pay it personally. then again, i dont do vendors so 20 prims is useless to me. I go for a bare minimum of 50 and more often 75 prims. 40,000 Linden isn't a few hundred USD but roughly around 135 USD. (you can check on the sell lindens page) not criticizing, just thought that info might helpful. good luck.