How to Make it BIG in SL (monetarily speaking)
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Alan Kiesler
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02-07-2006 14:01
OK all, <mod>The thread is wandering a bit, enough so that I can't get a handle on where its entirely going. Also heading into 'personal attack' territory, though I admit its mostly been good-natured.  I'm not closing it (yet), but will now keep a closer eye on it. Thanks/Sorry </mod>*Anyway,* going back to the Original Post... Jamie, though the two ideas you have are in fact valid in any market set (including SL), I think its harder to implement what you say than it is to just suggest it. Do you have any ideas to go about making that part of the experience better? It would help lots toward my giving advice to the newcomers that run across my Tree.
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Phoenix Psaltery
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02-07-2006 15:40
From: Jamie Bergman Even Donald Trump went bankrupt a time or two. That doesn't mean you're not an expert, it just means external factors were against you (for a time, at least). OK, that's fair. P2 |
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02-07-2006 15:45
From: Jamie Bergman Even Donald Trump went bankrupt a time or two. That doesn't mean you're not an expert, it just means external factors were against you (for a time, at least). Did he sell freebies too?
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Jonas Pierterson
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02-07-2006 15:49
The day I take advice from a freebie retexturing clown is the day I play Russian roulette
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Max Case
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02-07-2006 15:50
Jamie - you know you can maybe give some economic classes in SL, and get funding from LL?
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Jamie Bergman
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02-07-2006 16:00
From: Max Case Jamie - you know you can maybe give some economic classes in SL, and get funding from LL? Great idea, Max!! I think I shall apply with the Lindens!! Thats the capitalistic spirit, sir. |
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Jonas Pierterson
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02-07-2006 16:47
I wonder if lesson one will be soemthign like this:
step one: get a freebie
step two: retexture (or not)
step three: sell at 1000 lindens
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kerunix Flan
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02-07-2006 21:37
From: Jonas Pierterson I wonder if lesson one will be soemthign like this:
step one: get a freebie
step two: retexture (or not)
step three: sell at 1000 lindens Give me 1000L$ and i'll teach you how to earn 1000L$ easily. ...  |
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Nolan Nash
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02-07-2006 23:29
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Compulsion Overdrive
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02-08-2006 07:07
From: Jamie Bergman I do neither, sir, thank you very much. you wont mind taking my aircraft out of your store then will you. |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-08-2006 07:10
I'm also curious why Jamie doesn't follow her own advice
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Jamie Bergman
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02-08-2006 07:12
From: Reitsuki Kojima I'm also curious why Jamie doesn't follow her own advice ???? |
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Candace Sullivan
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Lmao
02-08-2006 07:13
From: Josie Hamilton Geez, isn't that like the 2 most basic principles of business? It's a good thing you studied the problem instead of just using common sense. Cracking up here! My thought exactly lmao
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-08-2006 07:20
You have neither entered a new market (You sell rip-off items made by other people), nor do you do it better (same item, higher cost). So, your own advice suggests you are a failure and a terrible capitalist.
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Jon Spicoli
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02-20-2006 00:40
From: Jamie Bergman Even Donald Trump went bankrupt a time or two. Donald didn't sell freebies. |
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Michael Seraph
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02-20-2006 18:54
From: Jamie Bergman Great idea, Max!! I think I shall apply with the Lindens!!
Thats the capitalistic spirit, sir. So the capitalist wants to have the government fund her classes? Sounds like communism to me. |
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Chase Hermes
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02-21-2006 15:00
From: Jonas Pierterson The day I take advice from a freebie retexturing clown is the day I play Russian roulette I have that game at the Redneck Yacht Club Gameroom Hyppa |
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Siggy Romulus
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02-21-2006 15:07
How to make it big in SL.
Read everything by Jaimie.
Laugh.
Do something you think is interesting and fun - everything else will follow.
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Boliver Oddfellow
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02-21-2006 17:07
Jamie
The fact that you actually feelfree to assuly us with basic common sense masquarading as your own well thought out wisonm does not surprise me its the forum equiv of poaching freebies and reselling them.
Some oen asked em recently what I thought was the most wrong with SL at this point I would simply point at you and say that woman is all that is bad and evil and ugly about SL. But I think everyone knows that by now
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Siggy Romulus
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02-21-2006 19:58
Another way to make it big in SL
Click on it a lot.
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Khashai Steinbeck
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How to make MEGA BUCKS in SL!!!
02-21-2006 22:10
Step 1: Steal Underpants.
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit!
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Madame Maracas
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Darn! I misunderstood!
02-22-2006 01:09
Oh and I thought this was about body-part prim enhancement leading to bigger monetary rewards when pole-dancing!
I find it interesting that a "capitalist" should find others' non-capitalistic (read: communist - NOT) actions and motives something worth berating.
Frankly, I'd think a true capitalist would prefer to see others giving away their product, as it would be "obviously" inferior, unable to serve the market's needs nor be desired in the least because, of course, a "master" capitalist would have made sure to produce original, ingenious, useful and desireable product that would be priced appropriately such that the target customer would be unable to resist purchasing their wares.
That is if they're a capitalist intent upon success.
One can be a capitalist and at the same time be an unintentionally self-sabatoging font of misinformation, vocabularic fumblings and an apparent "Marketing 101" paraphrasing parrot, with an astounding talent for self-promotion, ire generation and obliviousness, all leading to naught or worse in the territory of sales and profitability.
It's true, these goals can all be accomplished in one's 1st or 2nd life.
Why one would choose to do so, especially in their 2nd life, eludes me.
Oh and I am a lil puzzled as to why folks are getting labeled as communists for giving out freebies. Freebies don't necessarily entail communal/group ownership, but more of a redistribution of wealth amoungst the society to those most in need (presuming those w/the least means are mostly the ones taking advantage of the offered freebies). I'm always a lil shaky on the communist/socialist difference, don't know why but I am. So, I went over to Wikipedia (I know, prolly a "suspect" source) and this is what I found there:
Still wondering about those prim enhancements though ...
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Fingol Glass
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02-22-2006 01:46
what if i DON'T WANT to "make it big", period, here or anywhere else?
what if i just want to be a hermit out in the public wilderness happily creating and exploring, without trying to impress anyone other then to create and share beauty for the shere intrinsic gratification of doing so in and of itself?
without wanting to beat anyone over the head, or dictate anyone else's perceptions.
love and money are both fine if that's what someone else is into, but neither are worth more to me then creating, exploring, and the kind of world we all have to live in.
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Jesrad Seraph
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02-22-2006 01:48
From: Michael Seraph So the capitalist wants to have the government fund her classes? Sounds like communism to me. From: Reitsuki Kojima You have neither entered a new market (You sell rip-off items made by other people), nor do you do it better (same item, higher cost).
So, your own advice suggests you are a failure and a terrible capitalist. Quoted for truth. Jamie's apparent belief that all value is created at the expense of either cutomers or makers of the sold goods is very Marxist, or more accurately, it's Marxian (this way of theorizing value has been debunked many times over the last decades).
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Catnip Zobel
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How to Make it BIG in SL (monetarily speaking)
02-22-2006 09:08
From: Jamie Bergman Even Donald Trump went bankrupt a time or two. That doesn't mean you're not an expert, it just means external factors were against you (for a time, at least). Actually, it doesn't usually mean that. It usually means that young businesspeople are not experienced in building systems that work in most conditions, not just the good ones. Investors like Donald Trump have survived getting the s**t beaten out of them, and have come back stronger and smarter because of it. Investors and businessmen that can't look to see where they went wrong don't survive long as such. BTW, the conditions you described at the start of the thread are only a set of market conditions that describe a newly open market. It doesn't mention systems, product, communications, and a myrid of other issues. For example, you didn't mention all of the animators that started out and got outperformed by the top people. Or they describe what everyone wants to do. Saying that you simply "outperform" the competition, is like saying "And they lived hppily ever after." Figuring out how to outperform the competition is the trick. I'm still doing an analysis of the SL opportunity, but I see multiple opportunities available to investers and businesspeople, and not just in areas that haven't been explored yet. And it doesn't even have to be anything big. To imply that there is no opportunity in established industries in SL when SL is growing by 20,000+ signups per month is to miss a large market opportunity. As an active investor, I'm expecting to spend around $100 to explore a new product that I hope will get US$.25 from everyone in SL. Not a huge goal, but if it works, it will be a 375 fold increase in my original investment. And if that fails, there are other things that can be done to accomplish that goal. At the very least, $100 in SL can be recouped by camping over a few months, so I'm not too worried. As an investor, if I explore five opportunities, and have four fail, but have one succeed that makes many more times the money than the failures ate, then I am doing very well. Catnip |
