Camping Chairs are relied upon by some

Whatever reasoning LL has for keeping situation the way it is, in the end they do keep it the way it is. Meaning, the benefits apparently outweight the drawbacks in their eyes, so there's little point in claiming the importance of issue hinges on how it affects LL. It's basically something for them to say, or not.


Some of them create content. Some, by generating the extra traffic, apparently attract paying customers to places which effectively 'hire' them. Both affecting the well-being of the premium members.


If we're using personal examples as some sort of argument, i was going through script wiki yesterday trying to work out ways some functions go. As well as working on some graphics content for myself and possibly for the release. Since it was taking me a few hours i figured while am doing that, might as well put my avatar on the chair and get few L$ for the texture uploads i'll need when am done. So i found a sim with next to no people in it, and did precisely that. As far as i can tell one timer firing off every 10 mins didn't affect 2-3 other people present in the sim on average too drastically.

So hey, it actually is possible to do some creative work while camping. Just a thing to consider before you start telling people what they can or cannot do while sitting in these.

(it's of course anectodal evidence and as such matters none. But then again, so is yours)


So how exactly is this different from a seller who offers free samples to their customers, that it makes it cheating in comparison..?


I don't think it's sensible when there's reports even in this thread premium members make use of camping chairs just as the basic members. After all, being 'premium member' isn't really much of being a "paying customer" but rather being someone who buys few hundred L$ a week at considerable discount. In this sense a basic member buying L$ is more of "paying customer", but apparently their opinion shouldn't matter...

I see it as cold-blooded utilization of system where such action was allowed in the first place. Yes, you can say it's a wrong thing to do, but at the same time it's perfectly legal.

Wonder if it couldn't be fixed by tying the allocation of sim processing time to amount of owned land in that sim, putting a cap on how much can be devoted to single area -- then pretty much the only thing a camping hole could lag, would be themselves..?

Um, they're not keeping it the way it is.
I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're referring to. can you elaborate on this point?
The thing is, having a sim brought to its knees by campers isn't an exception, it's the rule anywhere a successful camping site exists. My friend's situation is not rare... it's faced by everyone sharing a sim with a successful camping hole. And I have no idea how many unsuccessful ones are out there waiting for people to stumble into them.

Where that's the rule, people doing anything at all in SL while they're camping is the exception. And someone who's actually productive, like you, isn't the kind of person who needs camping chairs in the first place, so the benefit to you from camping chairs is negligable.

On top of that:
When I'm doing that I log out, freeing up a gigabyte of RAM and most of my CPU for the software I'm actually using. My processor runs cooler, my computer uses less electricity and lasts longer, and I'm not interrupted by IMs from friends who I have to politely defer.
Most people offering free samples don't in the process thereof steal from others.
There are a no doubt a few who do, but the majority

Only if they are certain enough of Second Life to buy a year at a time, but that's beside the point.

The real point is... what's a paying customer? Unlike a Basic customer, every dollar of the money they pay for those Lindens goes to Linden Labs. The fact that they're paying money to Linden Labs is what makes them paying customers... and 100% of the premium account payments, 100% of the tier payments, and at least 76% of the Lindex payments (and probably more, the statistics posted by Vashuda Linden only mentioned the number of accounts) are made by premium account holders... and since Linden Labs only gets 3.5% of the Lindex sales, a basic account owner would need to spend over US$280 a month on Lindex to be as good a paying customer of Linden Labs as a Premium that's only got First Land.

Surprise, I agree. I've said the same thing. The law may not make this kind of theft illegal... either inside LL's terms of service or in the US legal system... but the fact that something is legal is not in any way a defense of that act. "I didn't break any laws" is right up there in the phrase book of scoundrels everywhere.
I don't care whether it's legal or not. I've far more more respect for someone who breaks a law for a good reason than someone who considers nothing less than the absolute illegality of an action reason to refrain from taking it.
That would be technically very difficult, particularly since it's the work the sim is doing on behalf of the avatars... not the scripts in the area... that's the problem.

I haven't been keeping up with this thread much but what you said here reminded me of something that was on TV recently. A truck driver (18 wheeler) had a choice between getting involved in an accident or doing something that was illegal to avoid the accident. He chose to do what would avoid the accident. He did get pulled over for it but he didn't get a ticket. Fortunately the cop had seen what would have happened had the driver chosen not to avoid the accident. The cop did give the driver a "hard time" over it but in a good natured way. Had it been me, I would have done the same thing and avoided the accident. Unfortunately, it probably woud have been my luck I would have gotten a ticket anyway.

The problem is this same argument could be applied to a club, or any other successful business. The rules for av slot allocation have come up as a general problem before and I think it needs to be looked at seperately from camping chairs.

I have found some of the best items and shops in this manner, and the lag relief is incredible. I always hit the traffic button to start at the bottom of the list

Not really.

First... when people are actually online and interacting at some location... even if they're just shopping... they are adversely impacted by lag, so there's a natural feedback effect that limits just how laggy the sim gets before people start going somewhere else. Camping chairs are immune to this problem so long as there's enough sim time left to run the payment script every few minutes. And that doesn't take much.

Second... successful camping holes are busy 24/7 because the agents on the chairs are there whether the player's on SL, at their computer, or even awake or not. Other kinds of businesses are much more cyclical and don't slam you every hour of every day.

Third... there's a market for land in a sim that's got a lot of real active visitors. There's no such "coat-tails" effect from campers.

I agree with your post 100%. The camping chairs/dancepads/whatever has totally ruined the integrity of the search in 'find' window. I said it else where, when I search for something and end up in a lagged zone with a bunch of chair/camped-zombies - I don't stay to look for what I was searching for there.

I have found that starting at the bottom of the search list actually introduces you to all the newest business out there and I have been rewarded with finding some excellent items doing this.

Why did you call him lazy then?

No comment.