Camping Chairs are relied upon by some

Some people, especially basic members, count on the camping chairs to supplement their income. You can only make so much furniture, buildings and clothes. And the pay you get from the jobs is a joke. So we count on money we make to be able to participate actively in the activities that abound. By removing this you will hurt the poorest population. Sure the folks that pay into the game above and beyond the premium subscription won't be affected, but then when have the people in charge ever cared about the people on the bottom rungs. I think if you offer the incents and people count on them and rely on them, you can't pull the chair out from under them without offering alternatives.

Watch them.

When did you ever get the idea that you would be rewarded for doing nothing?

I could say the same about people who have jobs in RL. I am helping the proprietor of the business by providing traffic. While I am providing him something, I am getting something in return. Its easy for premium members to condemn this activity, but those with fewer resources see it a different way.

What?

Isnt this a bit like saying you cant deprive drug addicts of there junk so dont take away the dealers? I mean cmon now. Your argument does not hold water. I have been in Sl for 8 months now I just now today jumped up to premium. I earn over 100K in L a month, and never bought a dollar on the lindex, and I cant build or script or make clothes. That said your entire argument holds no water. You want L either buy it or truly earn it. By the way I have NEVER sat my ass in a camping chair either. Good riddence to the vile foul things

Good riddance to them. Needed to go...skewing popularity and screwing us out of traffic...

Camping chairs aren't going anywhere. They aren't used to fluff up dwell payments, they're used to fluff up popularity ratings in the Find window. If some people like to sit in them and make miniscule amounts of cash, good for them. I'm always amazed at the people who bitch that the campers are "getting money for doing nothing" and that they're lazy or uncreative. If you think that, and SL isn't your second job, log off and go back to work yourself. After all, what the heck are you doing wasting your time in a virtual fantasy when you should be working you lazy, uncreative good-for-nothings!

It may be a miniscule amount to those who have premium accounts, but to those of us with basic accounts and limited skills it is the world! Open your mind and view things from another point of view and you will see how your argument against us is full of holes.

People in camping chairs do more than "nothing". In camping chairs, people invest boredom (or time they can't be in SL) and are rewarded cash.



So consequently, chair camping constitutes an actual profession, even by the standards of the "SL is not a game" FIC. Take it away and there is one profession left. Prostitution. But to make money from that at least you will need a female avatar. Say goodbye to half of humanity - Sorry guys, you used to build the Golden Gate, but you're not needed here anymore. "Good riddance"?

Oh well.

I have to agree that Camping Chairs are not going anywhere. If I remember correctly, the amount of dwell that one person sitting in a chair for a full 24hours brings in is a fraction of what even the cheapest chair pays out. SO they were never about bringing in L$ from dwell.

Camping chairs are about driving up the traffic numbers so that the location appears higher in the Find Places list and hopefully ends up on the Popular Places list. At worst, I see the loss of dwell just reducing the pay out slightly.

Magnetar, you also have to realize that to many people Caping Chairs are an eyestore and a statement of falsehood. When I use find places, I expect shops and clubs that offer quality merchandise and entertainment to be high on the list. But often I end up shopping at the tenth or lower because the places at the top are low-grade, but stuffed to the gills with camping chairs. The *VAST* majority of poeple in camping chairs are not present, so really, the 'popular place' I just went to is actually *empty* and I was tricked into coming there. Many people do not take favorably to being tricked.

Come to think of it, I may just start from the bottom of the list when I search for places now. I'll see new places and probabaly find some good stuff that almost noone has.

That sounds like fancy-talk for "doing nothing" to me.

That's probably because you're too lazy to do the thinking. What constitutes a job? Someone provides something you want and in return they get something they want. In SL, chair camping is about as high as the average wage earner can climb on the social ladder.

It might not sound very impressive, or productive, but that's not the chair camper's fault!

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha... what ? I think you're spot on

Bwahahahaha.

I'm "too lazy" to do the thinking, alright. Gosh, goly-gee... I didn't know re-writing half the damn physics engine in SL was possible by a lazy person. Good lord, the lazy will take over the earth!



I'm not sure what you mean by "average wage earner", but I know plenty of people on basic accounts who have never had to resort to camping chairs.



But neither are you entitled to it.

Of course you're not lazy, but you're evidently disinterested in seeing anyone's viewpoint but your own.

And it sort of baffles me that you don't understand what is meant by average wage earner. I'll give you a clue. Content creators and people just interested in using SL as a "business platform" for RL money, are not average wage earners.

Average wage earners would be people who are interested in making an honest living in a fantasy game world not in any sense related to RL conditions (because they probably have enough of real life already) and through their labour contribute to this fantasy world, but find out the game is lacking in means to do so.

So they end up in a camping chair.

If camping chairs are a legitimate job(an argument I have no problems with) they shouldn't need government subsidies(dwell) and will survive without them. So are you arguing in favor of welfare payments(dwell) or what's the issue here?

A classic mistake.

I see your viewpoint.

I don't agree with your viewpoint.

There's a world of difference there.



Ok, right - and my statement stands. I know tons of these people. I'm one of them.

At our place, SKYE PLAZA, we use camping/money chairs for a couple of reasons, one its a way to give to newbs/basics a small sum of money to shop with, and two, to bring traffic to our vendors in the mall.
We tried a money tree..it was always raped clean in a few seconds, uuckk what a disaster of an idea that was. We have our chairs parked out in front of our movie, we all enjoy, late at nite before our "crowd" settles in for the nite, we watch movies and chat, its nice..then some stay some leave..its kinda like home for some. Never a day goes by that we dont teach a newb how not to wear a box on his/her head..its been fun. Weve met so many nice ppl, and have enjoyed the company so much, its something i dont think we'll soon do away with. There is a postive side to things and then again i agree, there are the negatives, i think its all in what you do with any opportunity presented to you.

So when i hear all the hoo-haa about camping chairs breeding zombies, these ppls are usually afk, or sleeping, or at work anyway..so why does it matter..move on to somewhere where theres live ppl, its no skin off your nose anyway. The basic account has brought this type of mentality anyway, and thats certainly not the chair owners fault, we have to make do with what the gods of Linden give us.

Anyone who wants to use camping chairs can buy their own sim to lag.

Oh, and as for it being a legitimate job... well, sure, if you think participating in a con job is legitimate. Campers are shills, being paid to boost Find ratings, which are in theory supposed to be about how popular a place is because of the content it offers - games, vendors, events, builds etc. Now, I suppose that if you think that the Find should be simply a way of finding out where the most camping chairs are, that might not appear unethical, but if it was perceived as that the value of chairs would be entirely removed, and in fact they'd be counterproductive. By putting out chairs you're contributing to that happening and to people abandoning the Find entirely, which is common enough as it is.

Leaving your computer on for hours on end camping actually uses more electricity than you gain in cashout equivalent.

Campers are leeches that take money from the owners and give nothing back except false traffic reports.

If I go somewhere that appears to sell what I want, if I land and see big green blobs on the map full of campers I will go somewhere else as a matter of principle - as I'm sure do many others, so it's counterproductive.

I see the use of camping chairs as an admission that the venue itself doesn't provide enough quality stuff to make people want to stay.

Tringo isn't difficult to learn, and even I can win a round occasionally, so it can't be difficult for anyone else to learn.

I don't get, however, why if people really want money, they can't just buy the damn stuff from Lindex? If you want something that bad... deal with it. If you want to play SL, you shouldn't expect to have everything for free forever.

So, all in all, I see no positive results from chairs and many problems.

Lewis

Hmmm....if you are so against visiting a site that puts out camping chairs then do yourself a favor and "read" the fine print on the discription when you use the "find" feature and "popular places". I have not camped at any site that has not forwarned it's potential visitors that aside from their shopping and entertainment they also offer "camping". It's right in front of you if you read it.

There really is no excuse for anyone to happen upon a place full of camping if they've done their reading before they do their clicking.

If you want your place to be more popular then get "creative" and invent a new way to attract your visitors. After all, that is what it is all about anyway. If you are not up there in popularity then maybe it is because you don't deserve it.

Frankly I think those who can't stand the site of camping chairs are plain old "begrudgers" it's as simple as that.

No, perhaps we're just fed up of not being able to compete fairly with anything by NOT offering camping chairs. Most of the top venues offer camping chairs or dance pads, and that is the reason they are there - not because they necessarily offer anything of quality or value.

Perhaps many of us who are paid premium members, investing OUR money each month to support SL, are also fed up with the freeloaders who contribute nothing.

You do realise, I assume, that a simple $9.95 per month payment gives you L$2000 or L$2500 (depending on how many weeks in the month), is the equvalent of 138 hours vegetating per month? Just think of all that extra time you'd get to enjoy all that SL offers, instead of doing nothing?

Lewis

They'll have to count on something else. Donations, tips, buying Lindens (you can get a full premium stipend for about $1.60 a week), or making their own stuff.

I was a Basic for 9 months, and spent probably US$300 on Lindens in that time. I may go back to Basic, if I don't see a good reason to keep paying more for "owning" land than "renting" it.

And Linden Labs never offered camping chairs. They were offered by people scamming Linden Labs.

That's not the reason I object to camping. I don't care if they get money for doing nothing or not... I care about the direct and indirect effects of camping chairs: lagged and locked up sims, worthless "Popular" lists, the loss of DI and Dwell, and absent friends and acquaintances.

And I doubt I'm alone.