Midge: A Chance for Projects

so no hugs i guess.......

And to top all that off, Eggy, you bought peas on sale for sixty cents a can last week. And just because I showed up a week later, after the sale was over, I have to pay a whole dollar twenty for the same can of peas! It's not fair, I tell you, not fair at all! Damn you, damn you to hell, you feted grocery elite! You . . . Pea Baron!

I'll hug you Zuzi! I love doggies

woof

LOL! You rock, kim
I just wish I could understand what the heck got into prokofy to hate me / the old timers so much. We're just regular people who for the most part want to be left alone. There is probably zero correlation between having a lifetime membership and enjoying financial success.
Prokofy, before your time, someone came along who called us the aristocracy. I think that term is far more descriptive than feted inner content barons. Most stuff is made by relative newbies. Like Nephilaine Protagonist, for instance. I used to always buy clothes at Fey Brightwillow's store, she rocked and still rocks. But then came along Nephi who is actually a professional artist. You may lump her into some feted inner core, but I remember when she was a noob. Heck, Francis Chung was once in one of my classes and I have no doubt I could learn a thing or two from her, these days
You misunderstood my "seeing a little bit of Eggy everywhere", anyway. No one was out to carpet the friggin world with their stuff. I used to spend the entire freaking day helping out newbies. The shock, the horror, a feted, elitist content baron helping out newbies.
Ever heard of Bhodi Silverman, the leader of VERTU? Met her right at the welcome area. Built her the infamous art gallery in Jessie, and even owned the whole place so she wouldnt have to pay taxes on it. Ever hear of Pirate Cotton and Mark Busch? Aces Spade?
The fact that I was always available to help people out for free made a little bit of Eggy show up everywhere, and in fact most of what I have created in this world has been made for someone else.
I never had a world domination agenda - in fact, I had an anti-capitalist agenda and actively promoted the concept that everything should be free to copy, because this is a friggin digital world and the whole point of inventing digital data representations is the ease with which you can copy and transmit them all over the place.
I guess I was a little bit like you, prokofy
I was never rich and actively gave all my money away. Because I could make whatever other people had for sale, I didnt need it and it was just play money anyway.
I made a large wad of lindens when I took over Ama Omega's casino, though.

The thing that I would most like you to understand is that old timers are people. Normal people. like you, with lives, and friends.
Yes, we stick together. But its just a social network and we dont freaking rule SL.
Go to a random telehub on the newer eastern sims and see how many of the people selling stuff there are from 2003.
For real. Go now. Post a list of people you find selling their stuff there and their respective birth dates.

pea baron!! that made my day.

*hugs* for everyone.

Midge has two hours left on the auction, and it's only bid up to $801. This is a mature, mountain sim with 65,000 acres -- that's at least 6,000 more than I got when I bought a sim.

It's really an opportunity, but hey...there's always another sim...right? Except...in my limited experience of 4 months, I've only seen one or two sims with interesting natural features like this come along.

If I can summarize all the points made so far, they amount to this:

1. We hate you because you fight back on the forums so whatever you suggest rots, so eat shit and die.

2. We find your notions of zoning and building to be mediocre and pedestrian when contrasted to our vaunted architectural aesthetics so, eat shit, then die.

3. We are going to wait until a much, much more talented and artistic group is formed for us, then we *might* join it but maybe not, depends on whether they do all the work. So, eat shit, then die.

4. We are jaded and burned oldbies who already had our heyday when we were feted with various sweetheart deals but now we hate the commercialization of SL, we hate land barons, we hate commerce, we have an allergy to money, so eat shit and die.

5. By talking about land for sale on the auction, you are only making it more valuable to hungry, rapacious land barons, so eat shit and die, mofo.

6. Eat shit. Die.

7. You maybe had a good idea but we are too cautious with our tier and you're too weird so...well, don't eat shit but...could you die, please?

Um...did I leave anything out?

Now, I'm just saying it this way to be make a literary point. I don't believe that because a handful of people who read these forums on a Saturday night with nothing better to do shot down my proposal, that it isn't a good idea, or that they might not get it started some other day without me.

May the Lindens roll out better sim! May people get together and share their tier!

And you wonder why we love option 6 so much? Every one of your options is biased. You never once consider the possibility that you are wrong. It's just impossible in the Prokofy-centric world view. The nice thing is that if your plan had absolutely any merit, then it would come to fruition. If people honestly agreed with you, then you'd have a dozen people beating a path to your door. You don't.

I don't hate anybody. Where do you see "hate"? I remember Hank Ramos collected all my sayings from another thread and produced them to illustrate "hate and venom". But in fact, they were merely comments on *behavior* and *attitudes* among a *class* taken as a *whole*, and not personal attacks on individuals. Sure, you're just people who want to be left alone, but the aggregate of all of your attitudes makes up a sometimes impenetrable wall. You can't see yourself, so tightly circled are your wagon. I don't have any scientific answer about the correlation about lifetime membership and financial success. In fact, I rather suspect that it's the very entrepreneurial types like Cristiano or Anshe who have succeeded without any kind of lifetime deal, I just don't know the figures.
What I'm saying is that older players have assets and privileges -- vaunted mentor status (until this was just revised), 4096 or more in paid-up tier, posrates that still give them healthy stipends, etc. This is just the nature of the beast-- any RP game or any RL village will have this kind of advantage for those who are newer. But when the game company makes a 180 degree shift from socialism to capitalism, you can see how there will be some howling.



Oh, I quite agree. The feted inner core has variegated substrata. We've discussed this ad nauseum in other threads. There are wiki tekkies who live in sandboxes and just pass judgement on everybody, there are rapacious land barons, there are little old ladies who only sell land on Sundays, etc. etc. But they are all feted and privileged -- LL has been feting them from word one -- and they are all content barons, whether they make jewelery, skins, or buildings, or whether they sell lots of land, or whether they enjoy the "content" advantage of aged, legendary characters with lots of posrates.



I don't make a literal connection between feted inner core and oldbie. The groups obviously overlap. There are some brand-new people who are horrid snobs just because they are talented and have been adopted by oldbies looking to introduce them into the old boy's network. These are natural phenomena in human societies, and it does not good to hate the person who tells you this news. It's the truth.



Well, I don't think there's anything at all terrible with having a little bit of Eggy everywhere. Wouldn't I rather have a little bit of Eggy everywhere than have a blue box of a mall? I'm just saying that it is illustrative of your expectation that the world could accept and replicate your imprint, and your anger that it stopped being able to do this. I'm sure you help newbies -- I do, too. That doesn't underplay your status as feted, inner, etc.



I think that's wonderful. I have heard of these people but I haven't seen the builds. It's all good. But it does make you a part of a class, the celebrated elite who have builds everywhere and recognition. That gives you an advantage, and it makes it impossible for you to see the game from any other vantage point.



Bingo. Here's the problem, dude. You've got that tekki wiki disease. Everything should be me and my genius friends working the problem and sharing the knowledge and clapping each other on the back that we give it away for free because we have fabulous RL jobs where we are paid jillions (often in the computer industry, taking advantage of the general population's cluelessness about computers).

But let me break the news to you, Egg. This is a capitalist game company that makes a profit, it doesn't run a socialist collective farm for tekkie geniuses. And it is increasing entered by people who are consciously or not, pro-capitalist. They either endorse a consumer culture, or they consciously play capitalist. There is no reason on earth why someone should be introducing free scripts for genius inventions in a climate where land on the auction can go for $1500 for 58,000 square meters. It's a different world. You can't clutter up the world with free digital copies because it clutters up the Lindens' server, and they have to pay for it. Somebody has to pay, Eggy. The Party is over! So you have to start *charging* and start realizing you have *customers* -- I mean you as a class, not you as a person.



But I'm not anti-capitalist, I'm pro-capitalist, and I'm anti-socialist. What makes me different than the oligarchs is that I am for empowering people at the grassroots to participate democratically and use their collective purchasing power and freedom of expression to introduce control into their lives and not be exploited by the uber-baron class. It's a liberal, democratic pro-capitalism idea.


Eggy, I'm glad you have fun playing that game. I was like that in TSO, where after being in the game awhile and getting visitor points and money in my work machines, I had more money than I could possibly use to fill my buffet so I could just give it away to newbies. But LL are exchangeable in the real world for $4/1000. You aren't in Soviet Russia anymore, the ruble is now convertible.



No, you don't rule because people like me fight back or simply ignore you and move around you. You'll find yourself as a class to be isolated sooner or later.


That's a fun experiment, but the first thing I'd find is Anshe Chung and Blue Burke selling mall space, and they came in fairly early, didn't they? So your theory is shot down right there. If Owen Khan or Bazulkas turn out to be after 2003, ok, you win. But you can't judge the content kings and queens by what you see at the eastern telehubs. The truly classy content kings don't sell their wares at telehubs, they have fancier stores you have to fly to or get tp'd into exclusively.

not all long time players have charter or lifetime accounts. likely, they are a minority.

You know, if it is possible to disregard all the arguing that this thread devolved into and look back at the first post, it's a reasonable, attainable, contsructive suggestion for those who are requesting zoned sims. I have a feeling that this sim will NOT be bought by a cooperative group of individuals, and yet we will still have individuals complaining in the forums a few weeks from now about what a pain in the ass their neibhbors are, and the bad things that are built in their neighborhood.

While some of the lifetime players might have land-tier to play around with, I don't believe that they have any obligation to help such an effort out in any way. The only people who are obligated are those who are trying to get what they want by working together; a sim owned by a group, or a group of individuals, who are all seeking space to build in a sim that is free of clubs, malls, For-Sale signs and deliberately "bad" builds.

The good news is that this isn't the last time such an opportunity will come along. If you want such a sim but couldn't wrangle enough interested others, you can still do so.....for the next auction.

$1001, pretty cheap.

Yes, it's helpful to remember that I began this post merely to promote an opportunity for cooperation, and not necessarily cooperation with *me* because I'm admittedly a crank.
It's astounding how people cannot stick to a positive discussion but have to be nasty and jaded and snobbish and let you know at every turn they are the ne-plus-ultra of the universe. It must come from a profound sense of insecurity in RL -- something I don't suffer from.

Some people think I have fouled my nest in SL or I've burned my avatar or I've made it impossible to ever lead a project unless I go to some anonymous alt, but frankly, such snobbish attitudes don't interfere with my gameplay. The record stands, anyone can examine it. I stand up to attitudes I find insufferable in the forums and in the game, and I know I speak for others who also find them insufferable. That's earned me loads of hate, but it doesn't faze me. I think expansion of the game beyond the sacred confines of the feted elite is a principle worth fighting hard for.

Midge went to Anshe -- Anshe has got a hella lotta sim for only $1001! Well, I'll bet she'll have fun with it and I'm sure whoever wants it can work something out with her, i.e. for the mountain top.

And sure...there's always the next sim! And we don't have to build Bedazzle or Boardman or Xanadu...just a sim without laggy clubs and malls. So if anyone wants to work with me on that effort next time, IM me ingame.

8. through my constant harping in lengthy screed after lengthy screed i come across as a complete asshole, a paranoid delusional, and probably obsessive compulsive. i berate people i don't know for belonging to classes that exist only in my own mind, for perpetuating problems that only i see, for holding newbies in contempt and virtual serfdom depsite records of long term help and service, and of a list of ulterior motives almost as long as my average "rebuttal" post. in short i point fingers and judge when i don't have any idea what's really going on. eating shit and dying are optional.

9. i'm just plain wrong. gasp.

Zuzi .. STFU

Ya know Profky I think you're just arguing against a bunch of ALTs.

Zuzi that post was teh shiznat
I bow to your superior intelect
Prokofy, while you are certainly a bit wacky and radical in your views, I find myself enjoying your posts. You are eloquent and make yourself clear.
FWIW, all of the people you mentioned are noobs to me. Heck, I dont even know who blue burke is. I couldnt care less either.
Anshe Chung - March 2004
Owen Khan - March 2004
Bakuzelas Khan - March 2004
Blue Burke - July 2004

Look, I'm sorry if a small subset of old or moneyed people have acted like asshats in front of you, but please do not apply such needless generalizations. We are not evil, or feted, or barons. We don't even all know each other, although ironically your attacks have done much to bring us together!
We don't even all LIKE each other. Half of the old timers aren't even famous anymore, or never even were.

If you expand the definition of "feted inner core" to encompass anyone who has any amount of success, then I should quote philip and state that "any healthy economy is top heavy".
There will always be a "ruling class" in any economic system. The only system that comes to mind that has no upper class or even gives a shit about that, is communism.
If your metric for being feted and inner is money or achievement, then it should be fairly obvious that any noob can buy a shitload of money on GOM, a couple of islands, and hire a bunch of scripters to create something wonderful. This is not something that the rest of us SLers can or want to keep from happening.
There is no conspiracy.

LOL! Yeah, blaze! Loki, Jau, Ardith, Zuzi and Kate are all my alts. You caught me red handed

Eggy, wake me up when you bother to put some intellectual effort rather than knee jerk wannabeism into what you want to say and I'll be happy to discuss.

A lot of cool things are happening here. Let's talk about them instead of chattering like 13 year olds.

in response to your well reasoned rejoinder: i don't shut up, i grow up. and when i see your face i throw up.

Prokofy keep doing what you do. it's always very entertaining and makes the day a lil bit brighter. just please don't be offended that we can't take you seriously. take that however you like but of course, don't waste time wondering if you might be wrong after all. those manifestos aren't going to write themselves.

Eggy there's no upper class in communism? tell that to the party officials.

Dude I dont even know what you're talking about. Knee-jerk wannabeism? Who or what would I want to be?

There are some good ideas posted on this thread. They are not wacky or radical, but merely an attempt to move things forward.

If you have something respectful to say about them, then we're all ears. Otherwise..


STFU.

I fixed it for you:

There are some rational criticisms posted on this thread. They are not the spawn of capitalist Satan nor are they part of the feted conspiracy, but merely an attempt to move things forward.

If you have some intelligent rebuttal, then we're all ears. Otherwise...

STFU.

Dude get with the prograaaam. A post is a reply to the post immediately above it. None of my posts had anything to do with the stupid sim that was being auctioned anymore.
Group projects are fine. They are often done. They also often devolve into drama, its human nature. I dont care either way, I was just chatting with the prokoman

Ard, you may think your criticism is rational and probably giving your background of philosophies and viewpoints it probably was. It wasn't rational to me, but I do realise that I have a different perspective on things.

However it was anything but respectful.

So next time, try "respectful, rational criticism".