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Dnate Mars
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09-28-2005 07:45
From: Flyingroc Chung Wow, that was petty. Reinforces my speculation that the closing of GOM was done out of spite; not a rational business decision. We know that GOM and Philip are not on good terms. Why would you believe that LL will support you when they wouldn't support Tom and Jamie?
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09-28-2005 08:07
From: Dnate Mars We know that GOM and Philip are not on good terms. Why would you believe that LL will support you when they wouldn't support Tom and Jamie? Regardless of whether I believe Philip will support whoever, that was a small-minded and nasty reply by Zeppi.
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09-28-2005 08:25
From: Philip Linden Additionally, I just wanted to add that I saw a resident asking GOM if they would be interested in selling the GOM system to another group of residents, and wanted to add that LL would be very supportive of such a move and happy to help out in any way that we could with making that a success. This is what is being responded to, not GOM closing to get LL's attention. Zeppi is saying, why would anyone believe that LL would be supportive of a new person running GOM when LL showed that they don't support them. This whole thing has been messy.
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09-28-2005 08:34
From: Zeppi Schlegel Do you think they'll believe you this time?
Zep I do. 
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Jaynessa Jackson
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So where is the money coming from???
09-28-2005 08:55
In reading all these threads and replies...the question that i have is...where is the $L that LL is planning to sell coming from. If the economy is to stay "stable", wouldn't they have to purchase or "earn" the $L's that they plan to provide for sale, or is the $L printing press about to go into overdrive?
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09-28-2005 09:01
From: Jaynessa Jackson In reading all these threads and replies...the question that i have is...where is the $L that LL is planning to sell coming from. If the economy is to stay "stable", wouldn't they have to purchase or "earn" the $L's that they plan to provide for sale, or is the $L printing press about to go into overdrive? From other residents wanting to sell
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09-28-2005 09:02
Just got the GOM email myself.
Glad to see SL is doing so well in my absence.
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Apples Mousehold
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09-28-2005 09:07
Awww heck. I like GOM. I'm not an old time user, but my park would never have been built if I hadn't been able to convert real dollars into L$. Nor would I have been able to buy bunny costumes for some of my close friends. The closing of GOM isn't going to hit me hard, I already have my setup in place, but I feel bad for all those who are new to SL and won't have the ability to purchase more L$ in order to build their dreams. Still, you guys did a great job with GOM. I wish you lots of luck in whatever you work on next.  Apples Mousehold
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09-28-2005 09:08
From: Dnate Mars This is what is being responded to, not GOM closing to get LL's attention. Zeppi is saying, why would anyone believe that LL would be supportive of a new person running GOM when LL showed that they don't support them. This whole thing has been messy. How was LL not supportive of GOM. They gave them card blanche into the system and paved their way to success. Furthermore, LL was clear that their intent was to act as means by which to facilitate currency transactions. GOM was a currency exchange. In essence, GOM set the value of the L$, LL facilitate the transaction of the L$ between parties. In my opionion, these two entities would have complimented each other, rather than be in competition with each other.
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09-28-2005 09:10
From: Cheyenne Marquez They gave them card blanche into the system and paved their way to success. "We don't get French benefits?"
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Aliasi Stonebender
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09-28-2005 09:11
From: Jaynessa Jackson In reading all these threads and replies...the question that i have is...where is the $L that LL is planning to sell coming from. If the economy is to stay "stable", wouldn't they have to purchase or "earn" the $L's that they plan to provide for sale, or is the $L printing press about to go into overdrive? Ye gods. This has been said over and over and over and over. LL is simply duplicating GOM-like functions. No money is created or destroyed; it merely changes hands from person to person.
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09-28-2005 09:19
Quote: Originally Posted by Jaynessa Jackson In reading all these threads and replies...the question that i have is...where is the $L that LL is planning to sell coming from. If the economy is to stay "stable", wouldn't they have to purchase or "earn" the $L's that they plan to provide for sale, or is the $L printing press about to go into overdrive?
Ye gods.
This has been said over and over and over and over.
LL is simply duplicating GOM-like functions.
No money is created or destroyed; it merely changes hands from person to person.
well ty for saying it one more time. it answers my question
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09-28-2005 09:41
From: Aliasi Stonebender Ye gods.
This has been said over and over and over and over.
LL is simply duplicating GOM-like functions.
No money is created or destroyed; it merely changes hands from person to person. Not true! Or at least, not confirmed! Why? See this post: /130/dc/63354/1.html
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Nathan Stewart
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09-28-2005 09:47
Well you did only post it an hour or so ago lolol, perhaps it would be better in the hotline forum
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09-28-2005 09:54
From: Nathan Stewart Well you did only post it an hour or so ago lolol, perhaps it would be better in the hotline forum The last post that any linden made in the "Hotline" version of "Land and Economy" was well over a month ago. By contrast, they have posted in this non-hotline version of Land and Economy multiple times in the past 24 hours and are undoubtedly monitoring the pulse of the community here. So I figured this forum was the best place to put the question out there.
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09-28-2005 10:03
Yes good idea, thought it might be an idea because i saw robin lurking there lolol
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09-28-2005 10:11
From: Ricky Zamboni ...we've had to actually *buy back* over L$100k due to the fact that the XMLRPC communications between SL and the outside world have been flaky for the past month, resulting in a slow leak of L$ due to people making ATM withdrawals that never registered with our server.  Edited to say:[Just so everybody knows, if customer service has been a little slow over the past month, I apologize. It's because I've had to audit every transaction manually to try to catch those XMLRPC-related leaks. Not fun.] Ricky's made it clear as to WHY Gaming Open Market (GOM) is ceasing to handle player currency transactions: XML-RPC problems that have _persisted_ for approximately one-month. As it's unlikely that this problem wasn't reported to the Linden staff by more than one player, one has to wonder why this XML-RPC problem was _allowed_ to persist AND what's being done to correct the problem (hopefully something other than a town hall XML-RPC pre-meeting, a town hall XML-RPC meeting, and and town hall XML-RPC post-meeting, with XML-RPC-related events in-between so that players can have an opportunity to buy at auction any Linden that might have used the acronym XML-RPC). Due to a failure on the part of Linden staff (customer service and technical support) to _escalate_ and _resolve_ a technical problem being experienced a repeatedly marketed "feature" of the game (currency trading handled by a third-party company) will soon no longer be available. In a nutshell: Having waited a month for the XML-RPC to become less buggy the customer decided to provide their own _resolution_ to a persistant problem. Anyway, it's nice that Philip took a moment to pass through this forum and reassure us all that there will be some form of currency trading in the future, but it's clear that any number of technical problems being experienced within the game need to be shortlisted as actionable points and RESOLVED. When customers experience problems they don't want to hear about _future solutions_ but to have _resolutions_ to the existing problem or, as we've now seen, they'll provide their own. Let me stress again: If LL staff had taken the time to _resolve_ the XML-RPC problem then we wouldn't be experiencing these unintended consequences of _failing to act_.
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09-28-2005 10:56
From: Cheyenne Marquez How was LL not supportive of GOM. They gave them card blanche into the system and paved their way to success. Furthermore, LL was clear that their intent was to act as means by which to facilitate currency transactions. GOM was a currency exchange. In essence, GOM set the value of the L$, LL facilitate the transaction of the L$ between parties. In my opionion, these two entities would have complimented each other, rather than be in competition with each other. LL came to GOM in the begining and asked them to do what they did. Then LL comes and says, thanks, but we are doing it on our own now. Have a nice day. That to me is not supportive of GOM, that is USING GOM to prove that a system works.
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09-28-2005 11:09
From: Dnate Mars LL came to GOM in the begining and asked them to do what they did. Then LL comes and says, thanks, but we are doing it on our own now. Have a nice day. That to me is not supportive of GOM, that is USING GOM to prove that a system works. You base your assumptions on one side of the story. The other side of the story will not be told, and rightly so. This was a business matter between two business entities. It should have remained that way and never brought to these forums. LL offered GOM a "meet and confer" session. Unfortunately, the negotiations did not go well for GOM. No one really knows why except for GOM and LL. One thing is certain though, each party must be cognizant of their position during "meet and confer" negotiations. Failure to adequately asses and evaluate the strength of your position during these negotiations can, and usually do, result in detrimental consequences for the unprepared party.
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09-28-2005 11:21
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09-28-2005 11:33
Would you please post a link to the statement(s) that make you believe that it is true and confirmed? I've been keeping tabs on this subject and find it hard to believe I would have missed a concrete statement(s) to this effect.
(edit) Nevermind =) I see that Phillip just replied. Well, this is generally good news then!
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09-28-2005 11:36
From: Cheyenne Marquez You base your assumptions on one side of the story. The other side of the story will not be told, and rightly so.
This was a business matter between two business entities. It should have remained that way and never brought to these forums.
LL offered GOM a "meet and confer" session. Unfortunately, the negotiations did not go well for GOM. No one really knows why except for GOM and LL.
One thing is certain though, each party must be cognizant of their position during "meet and confer" negotiations. Failure to adequately asses and evaluate the strength of your position during these negotiations can, and usually do, result in detrimental consequences for the unprepared party. Nobody seems to be denining how GOM started. Something along the way went wrong and now LL is taking over leaving GOM out in the cold.
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09-28-2005 11:37
I see your post got a reply?
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09-28-2005 11:40
From: Dnate Mars Nobody seems to be denining how GOM started. Something along the way went wrong and now LL is taking over leaving GOM out in the cold. What went wrong was that one party failed to adequately asses and evaluate the strenght of their position during the "meet and confer" session. LL "taking over leaving GOM out in the cold" is the detrimental consequence for the unprepared party.
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09-28-2005 11:52
From: Cheyenne Marquez What went wrong was that one party failed to adequately asses and evaluate the strenght of their position during the "meet and confer" session.
LL "taking over leaving GOM out in the cold" is the detrimental consequence for the unprepared party. Or is it LL using their advantage unfairly? If you had a business and you invest money, time and effort into it, and then were offered what was below "fair" value, would you take it? We don't know what happened, we can just guess. What we do know is that GOM is going to stop trading the L$ on 10/2.
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