Dreamland is Hideous

I tried to give it the benefit of the doubt, even tho I'd seen the organization's attempts at terraforming on the mainland, but they've had months to get their act together, and GAWD, it's ugly.

It's efficient. That's why it looks the way it does.

Everyone wants waterfront, so every plot gets waterfront access via square canals.

If God were a capitalist, all the continents would be square too.

Real Life: Buy Land, God isn't making any more.

Second Life: Sell Now, Land Doubles Every 18/Months.

Square parcels are efficient, but they're ugly. But that's what people want. Nobody's willing to "give up" any of "their land" to get a nicer looking environment.

I tried to set an example in LostFurest dAlliez. I sunk almost all of my land and tried to talk the people around me into doing the same thing. Some dropped a token 10-20 square meters in the drink, but within a month all the plots around me were land to the limit of the plot again.

Personally I find lots of canals that go no where pretty useless. As far as boating, nothing beats the main grid. Intill voids are water prims, Islands will never be able to compete on waterfront alone. They are still the best choice for security and protection from Sim resource hogs though.

The mainland is just plain "butt" UGLY! It is not the shape of the lots it is the builds themselves. The skys look like a floating garbage dump! A problem is that the Lindens did a very poor job of planning the sims.

Try walking down any of the roads there and see how far you get before being attacked by a security script. One second you are walking down the road and the nex you get hit so hard that you are well past reality and into negitive numbers. Only recourse is to log off. What a nice group of residents are there!

What part of Dreamland are you talking about being ugly? I think its beautiful in some sims.

I will ad this... and its sad..

Try to fly around on normal height at any of the sims anywhere incl Anshe teritory and see how far you get before being attacked by a security script

/Tina

Half agree. The bare Linden sims look pretty good, even the oldest ones if you hide everything but the land and mentally remove the terraforming. About the only part of the problem I can put on Linden's lap is that there's just not enough variety in the land, and there's either too much or too little terraforming allowed. It would be nice if user terraforming was limited in grade rather than absolute distance, so that you could only change the grade by more than 1:1 in limited circumstances (maybe even pay lindens for the right to make or demolish cliffs), but no other height limits.

Security scripts and unnecessary use of redbars are just as common on islands, about the only places that don't have unnecessary barriers all over the place are furry areas.

Well, I guess this post will settle it and toss me directly into the Anshe sympathiser camp. So be it.

She is giving people what they want.

Tragedy of the commons perhaps, yes. What can be done? Well, perhaps zoned areas to various degrees of strictness. Well, she does that already.

People vote with their dollars, and buy sim after sim of sand anyway. Is that Anshe's fault? If she stopped selling it, there would merely be the same sand somewhere else.




I've ended up spending a lot of incidental time in Dreamland, assisting people with house setup and whatnot. I've met a number of her representatives and they are decent, fair people.

I'd go so far to say while I'm not keen on some of the terrain there, also some of the best of SL is in Dreamland.

Not bad, for a profit-making venture. I've been honoured to have the opportunity to take a shot at continent-building myself, and folks, it isn't as easy as it sounds.

Some of the areas are very beautiful but they are few and far between. Most of it is just downright UGLY!

The lack of any sort of taste in these residents is very hard to believe!

My Island home is the same way. However my land is open to all BUT the ones making their land private. Have two plots of land near me with the red bars. I just ban the allowed residents of that land on my land. See how they like it! Am thinking about deploying my home defense system but have not done so yet because it might bother a inocent resident.

I suppose that making money is the only worthwhile thing in SL. sigh... My RL firm I work for likes to have policies with a socially responsible outcome.

Sigh, I wish we had nice looking sand in the core sims rather than that ugly brown dirt, sigh.

Dreamland looks a lot better and more cohesive than the Linden estate did when it was that size. Of course it's all detached now and not yet connected with void water sims. But the Linden estate went through that phase as well.

I have a sign I put up on any redbars that annoy me.



It's transparent on the other side, so if they never come out of their enclave they may never know it's there.

Cant do that! In my Sim there is a "buffer" zone between lots. The strange thing is that I am not suppose to visit there land but they want to visit my land. I have their names on my visitor script program.

The people I rent "D'ALLIEZ SIMS" from are real good! You get a sand lot with water seperating them. They have real good customer service and I recommend them to everone!

When I first saw it I thought it would be populated by Borg Drones in bikinis.

Come to estate sims of Enchanted and Escape if you want to see pretty. I have spent much time in making these two sims a very pleasant calm area. There are quite a few areas to relax in, as well as open exploring areas. Some places have little hidden zones for the exploring type lucky enough to take the time to look or wander around. Comments welcome. Oh, and also grab the 270+ odd textures at Enchanted. I will be taking them up in the next day, as I am going to at last offer some new textures using Genetica2 and Texture Maker 3. Hugs, Megz

Hasn't SL been out since only 2003? How can you state a curve like that with so little actual data? I mean, 18 months has gone by twice since release (barely), and we are trying to put science to it? Why not just flip a coin once and state it will come up heads 100% of the time...

I am surprised this thread has lasted this long. I just wanted to get a post in before Anshe Corp has it deleted.

Isn't taste subjective? What, pray tell, SHOULD SL look like? A nature preserve? Isn't this supposed to be the metaverse? I am fairly new (if you hadn't noticed), and even newer to the forums, but I see a lot of people complaining about the freespace nature of SL. To me, it is one of the greatest strengths to not be bound by gravity, zoning laws, subdivision plans etc. If this is indeed the metaverse become real, why constrain yourself to RL thinking?

Stating someone has bad taste seems odd to me, as there are no facts involved. One man's trash is another man's treasure, right? It's been a long time since I read Snow Crash or Neuromancer, but I remember the descriptions of the metaverse being somewhat like SL, with random constructs, data, and other oddness in all directions. I think it's pretty damn cool....

Again, it's all subjective, if you think it's ugly, don't look at it maybe?

So, are we done slagging on the poor, tasteless "normal people" yet?

Anshe's just giving people what they want, after all; if you want to get surly at somebody, get surly at all the people without your own obvious good taste and exquisite choice in fashion. They might not take it personally and reject you, after all.

Oh, it is no more ugly than any other part of SL. Perhaps its apperance will improve with time. It is still being devloped after all.

what are you selling?

The funny thing about having a 3D virtual world that allows anyone to make stuff... an awful lot is made by amateurs who are not highly skilled.

With the mainland Dreamland sims, I recall LL allowed very little time to terraform the sims, so in a way, Anshe's "square beach" scheme makes a lot of sense. Doesn't mean I'd prefer it, I think it's pretty "eh" myself... but I'm getting a scent of "aesthetic elitism" here from some quarters in matters OTHER than landscaping. Sure, there's some highly skilled artists and prim-sculptors in SL, and their work is a pleasure to look at; but regular people get to build, too!