Banned on 4 sides! Responsibility for lost prims?

The violation of TOS only applies if the same person/groups own all 4 sides of your parcel. If there is a second owner with even one side to your parcel, unless you can prove them in cahoots with the others.. theres nothing you can do.


The 40m come from actual land height I believe. On my higher than 40m land its a joke..but it does keep those few I want off on the actual land of my shop.

Flyte, I can tp in and out of my land. It is just has a negative mental image for me.

In RL or SL, there are neighbors who allow their agenda to roll over the needs, requests, and wants of others. Both worlds ares full of thoughtless people.

There are people in both worlds that are open and willing to share space and views.

I will just have to look for them.

I hope your situation, which sounds much worse than mine, works out okay.

If the only reason for ban lines is to give you a wicked thrill of schadenfreude, it's long past time they were replaced with something effective like the "super ignore" someone suggeted.

The people who routinely leave up "all but these avatars" or "all but these group" access controls have even less justification for their vandalism.
Yah, I had someone who bought a plot in the middle of an area we were working on accumulating, then they put up ban lines (no build, just ban lines) and quit logging in for two weeks... so I couldn't even offer them outrageous amounts of money for their 512. They eventually showed up and were more than happy to sell out, and had no idea that the ban lines inconvenienced anyone.

I really think that permanent exclusive bans like that should cost money every week, so people only use them when they need them... not because they're playing with the user interface and flip the wrong switch.

(Thanks Jonas)

The visibility of the lines isn't the true demarcation of banned area... in my experience try dropping down onto a parcel you're banned on. You'll start bouncing around when you get to the area of enforcement. If that's now at ground+40m that's helpful to the people that are standing at ground level, but not so helpful for people sitting on a balcony or in an upstairs bedroom.

Anyway... it's been a while since I experimented with it.

And the TOS violation issue is, if I remember right, one of free passage. I can understand the desire to avoid having players blocked from their (presumably non-banned) destination, or trapped in their home by the actions of other players.

This is not accurate. In my last experience I was restricted on 3 sides due to an Access List, then later a Ban for filing an abuse report about it. The Lindens responded and made the land owner reparcel so that I was only banned on 2.5 sides.

One thing that bothers me about this episode is that there is no final word written down about it anywhere that I could link to in order to negotiate with the offenders. They never believe me until they're speaking to a Linden about my abuse report. I called Linden Lab to get a link to the rule and that's when I was told it fell under a broad interpretation of the Community Standards document.

- Flyte

Well considering I try not to encircle anyones land (or even put a 'U' shape around it) I doubt that exception would apply to me

edit: thanks for pointing it out though

Well it seems to get around the 3-side rule they have sold the parcel to an alt and put up a house next to my plot the same height as the ban lines. The reason I believe it is an alt is because it is in no clubs, has their land in its picks tab, and the ban list on its parcel is identical to the ban list on their parcel except for my name. I have abuse reported it but I don't know if they are now technically in compliance or not.

I will not be run off my land. Now I need a shotgun and straw to chew on. And maybe a barn.

- Flyte

Flyte I just wanted to say this seems to be one of my specialties. I've come across bits of builds all over my sim, sometimes from ages ago that I'd zapped with the edit box. The first time I actually bothered to track one down was yesterday, and that's because for once I had noticed which wrong box I'd typed in, and what the number was, and since it was z, it was easy. Hit x or y and you could decapitate someone inside their house, and it's harder to find if it ends up in someone else's build.

I love it when you accidentally zap it into someone's access restricted estate and they have a "security system" that will teleport you home or orbit you if you try to delete your stray prim from outside the red lines. That is one reason why I openly wonder who the responsibility lies with.

- Flyte

I would drop it at this point. The house does not cover the entire property and you are not banned. The Lindens really are not able to deal with feuds very well. Annoying your neighbor is not against the TOS. You annoy them, they annoy you; neither is violating the TOS. At least not clearly.

Eventually they will pack up and move, best to just wait it out.

You can always do what my great grand-daddy did to get rid of unwanted neighbors...


Start raising hogs!

That is an unusual surname in Second Life Victoria, have near seen that before. As it happens, in real life your namesakes family home is now the property of The National Trust, with open access for all........

Here in Second Life there can be good reasons for access bars, they include privacy for various reasons, or perhaps security related issues. For example I build and can be careless with file permissions while I am constructing.

A possible solution is to reach an agreement with your neighbour assuming you both want privacy.... a mutual bar on all access but a listed exception in the property tab bar for each other. I did this when I was building in Weber as my land completely surrounded a small shop.

Teleport devices for security can be a pain, especially the one that ejects you with no warning. I believe those should be made illegal within Second Life.

Finally if you do want complete absolute privacy that includes people flying overhead the best solution is to buy a private island and not have it shown on the grid map. Then I think you have the right, as you are technically not part of the grid. After all the main strength of the grid is just that, a connected whole being greater than the sum of the parts

Just my own views of course

I can do that legally, its the push ones that violate TOS. One or the other has to be legal. Would you rather be ejected or tped home 9something only the landowner can do), or pushed to 2 billion meters? Think about it.

I do not quite understand the red lines and locking everyone out from your lot.
Does it prevent people from stealing your furinture?

I can understand restricting a land from certain individuals who has griefed you or when you are doing something that requires a bit privacy; other than that its just sillyness and annoying.

I belive that people who put up the red bars do not see them themselves. This should be changed so that people who has them up would just see a big red wall. It might cut down the unnecessary use of red lines. It even seems some people have them up without knowing it.

Agressive security scripts is something that to me show that a mega-lamer is living on a land. It is not that I even want to visit such a person; but exploring SL by flying I now and then bump into this crap that teleports you home. I always abuse report shit like that. I do not know if Lindens do anything about it or not though.

I will never understand why people come online to be anti-social. If one want privacy, just do not log in!

I'd rather be pushed to 2 billion meters. It's peaceful up there.

Indeed.
Some kind of visual indication, maybe a softly throbbing highlight-transparent texture reminiscent of the Star Trek "red alert" effect.
That's absolutely the case. I've had some very nice discussions with people who had them up when I finally catch them online and ask them about it, and I've made some friends that way.

I have a list of banned. I don't use a script.

So far I haven't had a problem, I just hope that i can go without them for a LONG time.

I have lost prims on a number of occasions... what is clearly needed is a way for builders to designate an area as " caged ".
Prims would not be able to escape a cage, so builders could work without worrying about lousing their prims, or anoying others.
While this would not help exploding vehicles, it would give us suitable workshops for inventing in.

I have had to raise my house in the air and dig a hole to get at a half finished 20 prim object I accidentaly beried...

We need to get the lindens to offer this feature.... I did suggest it in the forum some time ago.

Regards Jonathan.

You can set the prim properties to sandbox. That keeps the prim from escaping.

Use the Debug menu to turn off Surface Patch.

It does prevent random strangers from walking in your house.



Call me lazy but we aren't turning it on and off all the time to suit you.



I could accomplish the same thing with a prim wall that is solid but transparent(yes I have the spare prims). Question would you prefer to collide with an invisible wall or see a warning texture?



Don't have those because the legal options are so worthless meh. We need real privacy where else are you required to give intruders time before they have to leave? lol



Aww it bothers you that when I spend time with my family(which happens to be scattered across the country) you're not invited? Don't worry I won't lose any sleep over it.

ps I think the sense of entitlement some people have to land other people own is amusing.

it doesn't prevent random strangers from doing anything they want to in your house, up to and including using most of the gadgets you own, perusing your pornography, and generally violating your privacy just as much.
Invisible wall, no contest. Because invisible walls don't paint themselves on my view even through my bedroom wall and the trees I plant to hide them!
And yet you feel entitled to spoil my land with your ugly red lines.

Well Jon, how often do strangers walk into your house, sit down with you uninvited when you are having familiy dinner? Maybe it all just happens in your paranoid head?

Yes switching on and off after all takes one click that can take up to the amazing 2 seconds or so....

If the bars would be limited to preventing true intruders, then fine with me; but when the bars also obstruct explorers who have no intension on intruding, just flying over maybe only a small corner of your lawn, it becomes annoying.

An Invisble wall could be better, because one could most likelt a) fly over it b) would not be thrown 2 sims away c) it would not put the ugly red stripes in neighbours view

I wish people would stop doing things "just because they can" and instead focus on the " why I am doing this?", which would hopefully lead to speculations over " How do other experience when I do this?". Of course the later would require unselfish thinking and some ability to think emotionally and also capability of drawing logical conclusions, so maybe one should not hope for to much....

If the invisible walls can go to max build hieght and take up no prims, then I'd use them. Oh- AND use the normal ban list. I don't want everyone banned, just a few.

Until then, deal with the red lines.