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Nexus Nash

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05-17-2006 05:09

From: Ghoti Nyak

4 of the sim in the new Otherland Archepelago are void sims. They're going to make for neat island chains.

-Ghoti

They are pretty to look at... that's about it.

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Ghoti Nyak

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05-17-2006 06:03

From: Nexus Nash

They are pretty to look at... that's about it.

Thanks.

(at least, I'll take the looking nice as a compliment

)

-Ghoti

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Spoony Spork

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Join date: 24 Feb 2006

Posts: 99

05-17-2006 06:37

Okay... maybe I'm just dense today... but I don't get it :|

So... Otherland (I LOVE the name BTW... Otherland suits SL so much more than Snow Crash as a series this place is based on...) has bought some of these 'Openspaces' sims, which come in 4-packs, and selling them out for slightly more than 1/4 of the price of 4? Are there other groups that do this?

As for the Openspaces... these are the SAME as void sims? Are all 4 on the same CPU, or is it a mishmash like regular sims? Are they actual islands, or just islands connected to other islands? If you bought some for yourself, would you already have to have a private island and/or sim?

Merlyn Bailly

owner, AVALON GALLERIA

Join date: 7 Sep 2005

Posts: 576

05-17-2006 07:39

From: Gigs Taggart

Does anyone have any information regarding the possibility new of low-prim low-cost sims?

http://www.otherland-group.com/pricing/prices_elbow.html

Judging by that, they are already being sold... apparently only if you know the right people?

They're for those people who want to provide lots of open space and low-usage - they're not for building houses or clubs or businesses, but for things like recreation -- boating, hangliding, whatever.

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Aleister Leonov

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05-17-2006 08:13

From: Merlyn Bailly

They're for those people who want to provide lots of open space and low-usage - they're not for building houses or clubs or businesses, but for things like recreation -- boating, hangliding, whatever.

With a Prim limit of just over 1800 thats one helluva Hanglider

I must admit that the restrictions on not building a house puzzles me. Clubs and businesses yes - too many scripts - but so long as there are very few or no scripts in a house, then I don't understand why we are advised not to build one..

All answers on a postcard please...

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Spoony Spork

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05-17-2006 09:03

From: Aleister Leonov

With a Prim limit of just over 1800 thats one helluva Hanglider

I must admit that the restrictions on not building a house puzzles me. Clubs and businesses yes - too many scripts - but so long as there are very few or no scripts in a house, then I don't understand why we are advised not to build one..

All answers on a postcard please...

Yah... we're using like, 300 prims for a house that takes up like half of 4096m land... so... wtf?

I still need my other questions answered too

Dana Bergson

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Join date: 14 Oct 2005

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05-17-2006 09:25

As THE OTHERLAND GROUP is actually renting out this kind of sim currently, let me state our official policy on this topic:

Before we started renting them, I expressly asked Linden Concierge, if this would be OK and I got an agreement on that. This policy might have changed. Things like that happen. If there is a new policy regarding those sims or should customers experience an overly amount of lag and crashes I will offer full refunds to customers who already rented, of course. Additionally I put all further sales on hold for the time being.

Our experiences with these sims - which we clearly state a slow prim and point out these limitations to every customer in every talk - so far has been very satisfactory; as long as you stay within the stated limits. We will carefully observe the performance of these sims with real customers using them.

As I said: I will accept any official Linden policy regarding these sims. I still would love the possibility to use them as (low prim) residential areas. I do not only love them from a business point of view alone.

I love them because they might give us a chance to develop some wide open residential areas for all those who do not want to live in crowded areas. If I just want a large area and I do not need much prims (I am such a type

) this concept is just perfect! I would hate to see those sims only usable as fill-outs ...

If Linden Lab puts out this kind of sim in larger quantities - for voids AND for residential use, this might be a much bigger change to the world of Second Life then flexi prims. It would change the landscape forever - and in a very positive way.

Currently land is very inflexible:
- if you need a high primload you have to buy a lot of land
- if you want a large area, you have to buy a lot of prim capacity

Peoples needs are different. Some want many prims on a small area (which is possible to a certain degree on private sims) and some want a large area on which they want to live in a tent.

These new sims make it possible for the first time to fullfil the needs of that second guy! And if they were to be deployed on a larger scale, they surely would make Second Life more beautiful!

Currently, most areas of Second Life are urban or sub-urban in the density of their settlement. These new sims would make it possible and cost effective for the first time to have a true (nearly) undisturbed landscape. Thats why I would like to see more of them on the mainland, too. What a wonderful dream!

Dana Bergson

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Join date: 14 Oct 2005

Posts: 561

05-17-2006 09:32

From: Spoony Spork

As for the Openspaces... these are the SAME as void sims? Are all 4 on the same CPU, or is it a mishmash like regular sims? Are they actual islands, or just islands connected to other islands? If you bought some for yourself, would you already have to have a private island and/or sim?

I can't speak for others, but on the OTHERLAND Archipelago, a cluster of large area sims fills the southern border. They contain islands, one sim usually contains 2 to 3 islands, which, taken together, are layed out in a natural shape.

According to what Concierge told us, you can only acquire this kind of sims, when you connect them to classic sims. Thats what we do and what makes sense! They are only sold in bundles of 4 because they basically run all on the same CPU. And you can't devide a CPU.

p.s.: Its is easy to forget with all the ballyhoo about this new type of sim, but we also have beautiful land - some of the most beautiful residential land in SL actually to rent on "classic sims"!

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Nexus Nash Undercover Linden Join date: 18 Dec 2002 Posts: 1,084	05-17-2006 05:09 From: Ghoti Nyak 4 of the sim in the new Otherland Archepelago are void sims. They're going to make for neat island chains. -Ghoti They are pretty to look at... that's about it. _____________________ Nexus Nash Co-Founder GigasSecondServer AzureIslands Proposals Proposal 1165 - Inventory Shortcuts
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	05-17-2006 06:03 From: Nexus Nash They are pretty to look at... that's about it. Thanks. (at least, I'll take the looking nice as a compliment ) -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Spoony Spork Registered User Join date: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 99	05-17-2006 06:37 Okay... maybe I'm just dense today... but I don't get it :\| So... Otherland (I LOVE the name BTW... Otherland suits SL so much more than Snow Crash as a series this place is based on...) has bought some of these 'Openspaces' sims, which come in 4-packs, and selling them out for slightly more than 1/4 of the price of 4? Are there other groups that do this? As for the Openspaces... these are the SAME as void sims? Are all 4 on the same CPU, or is it a mishmash like regular sims? Are they actual islands, or just islands connected to other islands? If you bought some for yourself, would you already have to have a private island and/or sim?
Merlyn Bailly owner, AVALON GALLERIA Join date: 7 Sep 2005 Posts: 576	05-17-2006 07:39 From: Gigs Taggart Does anyone have any information regarding the possibility new of low-prim low-cost sims? http://www.otherland-group.com/pricing/prices_elbow.html Judging by that, they are already being sold... apparently only if you know the right people? They're for those people who want to provide lots of open space and low-usage - they're not for building houses or clubs or businesses, but for things like recreation -- boating, hangliding, whatever. _____________________ SL used to be a game -- now it's a corporate advertising/marketing platform.
Aleister Leonov AL Designs Join date: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 68	05-17-2006 08:13 From: Merlyn Bailly They're for those people who want to provide lots of open space and low-usage - they're not for building houses or clubs or businesses, but for things like recreation -- boating, hangliding, whatever. With a Prim limit of just over 1800 thats one helluva Hanglider I must admit that the restrictions on not building a house puzzles me. Clubs and businesses yes - too many scripts - but so long as there are very few or no scripts in a house, then I don't understand why we are advised not to build one.. All answers on a postcard please... _____________________ -- Al AL Designs
Spoony Spork Registered User Join date: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 99	05-17-2006 09:03 From: Aleister Leonov With a Prim limit of just over 1800 thats one helluva Hanglider I must admit that the restrictions on not building a house puzzles me. Clubs and businesses yes - too many scripts - but so long as there are very few or no scripts in a house, then I don't understand why we are advised not to build one.. All answers on a postcard please... Yah... we're using like, 300 prims for a house that takes up like half of 4096m land... so... wtf? I still need my other questions answered too
Dana Bergson Registered User Join date: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 561	05-17-2006 09:25 As THE OTHERLAND GROUP is actually renting out this kind of sim currently, let me state our official policy on this topic: Before we started renting them, I expressly asked Linden Concierge, if this would be OK and I got an agreement on that. This policy might have changed. Things like that happen. If there is a new policy regarding those sims or should customers experience an overly amount of lag and crashes I will offer full refunds to customers who already rented, of course. Additionally I put all further sales on hold for the time being. Our experiences with these sims - which we clearly state a slow prim and point out these limitations to every customer in every talk - so far has been very satisfactory; as long as you stay within the stated limits. We will carefully observe the performance of these sims with real customers using them. As I said: I will accept any official Linden policy regarding these sims. I still would love the possibility to use them as (low prim) residential areas. I do not only love them from a business point of view alone. I love them because they might give us a chance to develop some wide open residential areas for all those who do not want to live in crowded areas. If I just want a large area and I do not need much prims (I am such a type ) this concept is just perfect! I would hate to see those sims only usable as fill-outs ... If Linden Lab puts out this kind of sim in larger quantities - for voids AND for residential use, this might be a much bigger change to the world of Second Life then flexi prims. It would change the landscape forever - and in a very positive way. Currently land is very inflexible: - if you need a high primload you have to buy a lot of land - if you want a large area, you have to buy a lot of prim capacity Peoples needs are different. Some want many prims on a small area (which is possible to a certain degree on private sims) and some want a large area on which they want to live in a tent. These new sims make it possible for the first time to fullfil the needs of that second guy! And if they were to be deployed on a larger scale, they surely would make Second Life more beautiful! Currently, most areas of Second Life are urban or sub-urban in the density of their settlement. These new sims would make it possible and cost effective for the first time to have a true (nearly) undisturbed landscape. Thats why I would like to see more of them on the mainland, too. What a wonderful dream!
Dana Bergson Registered User Join date: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 561	05-17-2006 09:32 From: Spoony Spork As for the Openspaces... these are the SAME as void sims? Are all 4 on the same CPU, or is it a mishmash like regular sims? Are they actual islands, or just islands connected to other islands? If you bought some for yourself, would you already have to have a private island and/or sim? I can't speak for others, but on the OTHERLAND Archipelago, a cluster of large area sims fills the southern border. They contain islands, one sim usually contains 2 to 3 islands, which, taken together, are layed out in a natural shape. According to what Concierge told us, you can only acquire this kind of sims, when you connect them to classic sims. Thats what we do and what makes sense! They are only sold in bundles of 4 because they basically run all on the same CPU. And you can't devide a CPU. p.s.: Its is easy to forget with all the ballyhoo about this new type of sim, but we also have beautiful land - some of the most beautiful residential land in SL actually to rent on "classic sims"!

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