Business survey ideas

Making snide remarks like "Miss/Mr" as a backhanded way of calling them a faggot is in fact a slur. It's obvious. Your prejudices are showing. You expose yourself.



Um, I routinely and systematically push back against *a few* flaming assholes on the forums who hector, badger, and lord it over others either due to longevity or perceived or actual talents. I know it comes as a terrible shock because you've ruled the roost so long. I don't categorize huge swathes of people. I defend huge swathes of people who are newewr, or who are the "what about the people with no talent" category. Your sweeping generalizations can't fly with me or anyone closely reading my posts. They are all there on the record.



Hardly. I'm afraid you're not a good judge of your own baggage LOL.



Um, whatever. It's up to you, your prejudices are showing again LOL.


What's hilarious here is the idea that one player can "bring down" something as impermeable, impervious, and imperishable as a virtual world. They can't LOL. So get a life, get a second life.



Hint: just look up "Dyerbrook" which was my name in TSO, where they didn't force last names on you. Parvenu is merely a name out of a list in SL and has no special significance and isn't used anywhere but SL, and there hardly at all. Or should I let you all bark up Nolan's trees lol?

Nolan is apparently an assiduous reader of the SLH. So take your flames over there maybe lol?

Dead wrong. My stars, you sure like to assume a lot. Ask anyone who knows me, I do not discriminate against gays or any other group or ethnicity. I asked you your gender, you refused to reveal it. I wanted to be able to use the proper pronoun. I really feel uncomfortable with calling you either "he" or "she", when I do not know which you are. I used to think you were male because of your avatar name, however, I was told by a couple of other SLers you were female, hence my use of he/she. Please note that it means "he or she", not "he-she". In other words, it was out of respect for you and the fact that I do not know your gender. I guess I could just randomly use random pronouns, if that will make you happy and/or curb your appetite for trying to label me as something I am most definately not.

By the way, I seem to have read in your post at the top of this page where you refer to "all these girls who hate me". Interesting. Tell me again; who has the issue here?

Umm, no. You entered the SL forums with overly verbose, grandiloquent, assumptive missives aimed at what you think is a good-ole-boys club impeding the progress of SL. (Yup. We stopped the 1.2 land changes, we stopped streaming audio, and we're planning on stopping streaming video too.)

Then there's your assertion that one doesn't have to be an oldbie to be feted, which you once again contradict above. I have yet to see you produce any proof to support your claims.

Right, and YOU are. I don't rage against the machine everywhere I go. I don't make up divisive expressions like "Sim Shadow Government" or "Feted Inner Core". When I come to the table late, I don't go off on a crazed jihad to make up for my unwarranted feelings of inadequacy because I joined the game a few hands in.

WHAT? I was referring to your obvious prejudices which you displayed in your "interview" with Cris. Are you blind or just so aloof you can't grasp satirization of your own words?

Whose idea is that? Certainly not mine. You can't, even though you think your self-indulgent bloviating makes some kind of difference. Please read again. I stated you failed miserably in TSO, so you went somewhere else and drew lines and started over, only this time, you went after the oldbies instead of the BDSM set.

Yeah, so I typed Dyerbrook's SL last name. Capital offense. I did my google search on "Dyerbrook TSO". What I found out was indeed enlightening, and it gave me valuable insight to the way you are behaving in SL.

No, I am not, prior to the google on Dyerbrook, I hadn't been there in months, not to mention 90% of the info I discovered on Dyerbrook was from OTHER sites. Mostly TSO fansites.

I am having a hard time grasping why you keep trying to pin that on me, that I am some sort of SLH junkie. Even if I were, why would it bother you? You are afterall, a contributor. If you think it's so full of shit, why do you do so?

None of this has anything to do with this thread. Thanks, you're all great, it's so good to have you in SL and the forums, you make it such a pleasure to be here.

Point taken, Cris. You are correct, sir.

Fine, so they're disagreements. But the fact is that they have nothing to do with this thread.


I didn't bring Prokofy on board anywhere, and certainly not the forums.

ROFLMAO. Talk about bloviating, Nolan!

"Sim Shadow Government" isn't a name I made up, it's the name they gave themselves. You need to work google better lol.

Nolan, are you insecure in some way? Why would you care what someone's gender identification/sexual orientation/avatar clothing and look collection/etc. is made up of? Why would it matter? Why does it disturb you so much? And who could care? Why do you have to "know somebody" to "call them correctly" when you just call them what they have on their avatar? I mean, it's a game, hello?

You're trying to play some sort of game of "gotcha," but to what end? It evidently has to do with your fervent belief that I am somehow "damaging" SL like I "took down" Will Wright. This is just so hilarious that I don't even know where to begin to debunk it! Geez, get a grip! You can't take down stuff like that, it's bigger than all of us.

OH, they are other fansites obsessed about Dyerbrook lol? I hardly think so. I think it's just SLH, and those are reprints.

Um...what does this have to do with business information again Nolan? Nothing.

What were your sales this week?
How much tier do you pay?
How many land do you own?
Will you shut up LOL?

I didn't google that. I read it in some of your posts. My apologies for assuming you penned it. It certainly sounds like something you'd say.

No, I am not insecure, are you? You are the one devoting pages and pages to proving how the man is keeping you down. It's a game? Is that why you take your precious little FIC tripe so seriously?

I cant subsitute your name for a pronoun in all cases.

Tell that to Prokofy Neva. See, just as in your "interview" of Cris, you are misrepresenting what I said. I said you tried to take down TSO. BIG difference. You are twisting things to suit your argument again.

Nope. Just some sites with some information about Dyerbrook. Anyone that would devote an entire site to you would have to be a masochist.

That is my business and mine alone. I would never share it, even if I was told that it would remain private. All it would serve to do is to give more fodder to the witch hunters who despise people who started before them. You're a fine one to be bitching about being on topic. I have watched you turn DOZENS of threads into FIC threads. It almost seems as though you can't help it, a compulsion.

Edit to add: You just did it in Hank's thread. thank you for proving my point.
No. As long as you keep tossing out tripe, I will be here to check you. Get used to it.

Hi Nolan. I'm interested to hear about why you wouldn't share this kind of information. If it were to remain private, what danger would there be that it would become fodder for a witch hunt? What's the danger in the free flow of information and ideas? I actually am interested and am not trying to be snarky. Thanks.

I know you're not, and I am sorry for contributing to the derailment of your thread.

If I could just give the numbers and remain anonymous, I would probably do so.

To be honest, if my name was attached to the info, it's hard for me to be sure that my info would indeed remain private when given to someone I don't know and can't see at the other end of a wire, hence my witch hunt comment. I would be afraid that this info would fall into the wrong hands, and then be used to give some blowhard more perceived ammo. (Not you of course.)

Then, there is the fact that my RL/SL girlfriend is my business partner, and I would be revealing info about her as well. I am about 90% sure she would not want that info to be given out. I will ask for her opinion though.

Thank you, Nolan. I appreciate the chance to hear about your concerns. And I understand them.

Would you be more willing to talk numbers (anonymously) if there were a reputable avatar asking the questions? (Provided your gf was amenable, that is.)

It does raise an interesting question about the flow of information in a place where a lot of salient information (i.e., RL information) is masked, and probably for good reason.

In any case, for anyone still reading this thread, no names or locations of establishments are going to be published in anything the Herald writes about this, nor was that ever envisioned.

Here's my question, though: I understand the concern about information leading to name-calling. But can you guys enlighten me as to the competitive disadvantage of having *aggregate* sales figures be made public? That is, figures that don't refer to any specific business or location but simply give a collective picture of how various "industry sectors" are faring?

They are all terrified of having this information revealed. If it were, it would be seen that the electronic emperor has no clothes.

Whatever sales and "business" there is comes at the expense of enormous amounts of RL time and money expended that would never be justified in a RL business. The labour hours alone are staggering. If people can remain in illusion about this, they can continue the fantasy that they are making money off the Internet.

It remains a fantasy for all but the very, very privileged and feted few. But no one will admit they are not among them : )

I don't buy it.
(a) It's an anonymous survey, so the readers don't know who participated and who didn't. There is no emperor.
(b) If people were really that concerned about justifying their SL businesses, I'd think they'd want to know where on the spectrum they fall. If someone who's as self-involved as you describe is putting in a lot of RL time and only making a little SL money, I'd think they'd want to know that there's someone else out there who's making even less.

Don't you see? Prokofy likes to turn virtually every single topic brought to the table in SL into an indictment of the FIC.

I would talk numbers in an anonymous format.

Agreed.

Good.

I don't think it's a disadvantage, to the contrary actually. I would love to see the info to help me make decisions about what direction(s) to take with business.

Thanks, Nolan. I'm interested to know whether there's any specific information (of the aggregate type discussed above) that would be more useful to you.

Same question goes for anyone else still reading this.

It's kind of confusing when you use the term 'trojan'. What do you mean exactly? You don't mean an actual .exe trojan do you? The Herald only covers sexy trojans, ie. wooden-props at Medieval-themed strip-joints, and then latex ones out the back for everyone's continued pleasure and safety.

So, on the contrary, the site is viewed as a very safe site indeed, sir. In any case, I'd grab at you from all over the place if you sat on me too.

Every comment posted at the Herald website has an IP address visible to administrators. It's a feature of the WordType blog. I don't know about the other editors (they're shifty bastards and I wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire and they were yelling, "Please spit on me Neal" but all your alts are safe with me

Back on-topic, I for one would be happy to answer your business survey, Walker. I make 10's of Lindens a month and am assured by my employers that this is a considerable salary indeed. As for land-ownings, I have also been given 3 hectares of moon sim, which I have been unable to visit as yet because of transport difficulties. I hope that one of your volunteers will be able to do so and conduct a more thorough valuation of my land.

I am also assured that the cheese itself is much-esteemed in the European markets and I trust that this will be factored into your estimations.

Please contact me in-world.

"They are all terrified of having this information revealed. If it were, it would be seen that the electronic emperor has no clothes."

Nah, some of us just don't hand out details of our finances to anyone but the IRS.

"Whatever sales and 'business' there is comes at the expense of enormous amounts of RL time and money expended that would never be justified in a RL business. The labour hours alone are staggering. If people can remain in illusion about this, they can continue the fantasy that they are making money off the Internet."

My current top seller (which goes for 25 L$ a copy) just paid my phone bill again and I spent more time converting the money to USD than I did building the item. But that's cause I view trying to get an extra two cents a block out of GOM as a sport.

"It remains a fantasy for all but the very, very privileged and feted few. But no one will admit they are not among them : )"

I'm not privileged or feted.

I'd be willing to answer the survey questions, but I'm not sure I'm the type of merchant you're looking for, because it's really just a hobby for me. I make clothes (and a few other things), I put them up for sale. Sometimes I give them away. So far I don't think I've sold enough to cover the upload costs, much less the time I put into making them, but it was fun to make them, so I don't really care. I suspect there are quite a few people like me, though, so perhaps you should include us in your survey after all.

neko

Thanks, Neko. We're looking for everyone, not any particular type of vendor.



That's one of the questions on the survey, Kim: What single item do you sell the most of and what is its price?

So what I want to ask you, then, is: What single item do you sell the most of?

Walker - I'd not only be very interested in seeing the results of the survey but I would also be willing to participate.

I'd particularly be interested in seeing whether or not sales are greater for people with vendors spread across wide areas or for people with all their products in one area.

I'd also like to know how sales in world vs online (SL Exchange, SL Boutique) are working.

The type/category of business associated with the figures would also be helpful as some products might sell better in certain environments than others. For example, sex balls may sell like hotcakes at clubs but putting my a vendor with my plants would simply wither from neglect (that's my guess anyway), but without figures I could be wrong.

It would also be interesting to know how people sell services, such as those who professionally DJ, Host, Custom Build or Landscape.

Last but not least, I'd have no problem providing you with [as accurate as I have] information about what I sell both in world and online. I have actually not been tracking it but this would give me some incentive to do so.

Rose

"What single item do you sell the most of?"

My current top seller is a Butterfly Bowl. It's a bowl that emits butterflies that float around and change colors. I offer it in a few color combinations, and I've done custom colors when people have asked, no added charge. Despite Prokofy's comments . . . it's possible to make money in SL without doing anything ridiculously time-consuming or difficult. A fun idea is sometimes enough.

Anyone who is making real money (> 1000 USD / month) will not tell you. Period.

Or if they do, they'll lie about what's really making the money.

You might as well ask us to give you free money. It just ain't going to happen.

Quit speaking for everyone blaze. Please. I will give info if its anonymous. So your wrong already.

You need to stop trying to be the authority on everything SL.

Hey, no fair editing. How many ppl do you think make over 1000 a month? Not many. Maybe a handful if that. I don't think that is Walker's only target here which pretty much nullifies your point.

Nolan, than you're either a) very naive or b) not making serious money.

But, go ahead. Please *do* reveal your numbers, it will help when I utilize your information and steal your market.

Well, then it's a hobby survey and not a business survey.

Who cares who's making chump change off of SL?