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Usagi Musashi
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Join date: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6,083
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05-31-2006 07:30
I like the bling tax! I would also be willing to pay for additional *groups* if I could have more than 15 at a time- would make vending a lot easier lol Hey That not fair! Then let`s tax all the men with penis!  |
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Rasah Tigereye
"Buckaneer American"
Join date: 30 Nov 2003
Posts: 783
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05-31-2006 07:46
I think we need a bling tax. Lewis How about the particle tax? Every 10 particles you spam someone's screen with cost you $1l. Should help cut down on the lag, too  |
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Suzanna Soyinka
Slinky Slinky Slinky
Join date: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 292
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05-31-2006 08:02
Take a lesson from world history. If poor people implement taxes to force the rich to subsidize them, poor people will pay more taxes than the rich. Reason is, rich people have money, know money, and understand money much better than the average poor or middle class person. As such, the taxes that are passed are usually paid in full by poor and middle class, and nearly completely avoided by rich people who know how to work the system. One of my aquaintances (granted I haven't spoken to him in years) was making about $60k a month two years ago (probably $80k+ a month now). Through ownership of "fake" corporations and various other money loopholes he only pays %15 in income taxes, whereas my parents and I, not having an option to set up a $2000us corporation, pay %27. >.< (p.s. I'm still in college though so I'll definitely change that once I'm out). Siggy's post, btw, is a perfect example of this. People who don't know and don't make the money don't know all the options, so you will clammor for taxes of content sales etc. People who actually do know the system also know how to exploit it. In the end, the "rich" people of SL will be able to avoid the taxes, and the hapless every day users who just happen to get lucky and come across some money will get screwed. The above is mostly cynicism speaking. The simple facts are that while the rich do tend to find and use all availible loopholes to keep as much of their money as they possibly can, they are still, invariably...taxed more than the poor and middle class INDIVIDUALLY. Now if you want to do pure base numbers...yeah the poor and the middle class pay more tax demographically, but individually they pay far less. This on the other hand is a video game, not real life. In real life you can't clone yourself five times to launder your own money. In SL, you probably wouldn't be able to either cause all it would take is a network scan from LL for them to see that you were using differing account UUID's connecting from the same IP to exploit your way out of the system. Taxation is the only realistically viable money sink. Sinking money into pointless things like charging for IM communication, ratings and whatever else has no tangible results. I would much rather pay taxes that DID something, as a money sink...than just throw money into a black hole because there needs to be a way to get the Linden out of the economy. If you want to take it OUT of the economy, it has to find a way BACK to Linden labs...and they have to convert it into budgetary capital used to finance hardware and or in game programs that benefit the community as a whole. I'll take a few jerks exploiting the system to save a few 1000L in taxes that inevitably ends up in a stronger product, over magically dissapearing money that serves no purpose any day of the week. |
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Toni Bentham
M2 Fashion Editor
Join date: 26 Jan 2006
Posts: 560
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05-31-2006 08:27
I vote for L$1 tax on shouting. And L$100 if it's at a Town Hall.  _____________________
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Jopsy Pendragon
Perpetual Outsider
Join date: 15 Jan 2004
Posts: 1,906
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05-31-2006 08:31
How about the particle tax? Every 10 particles you spam someone's screen with cost you $1l. Should help cut down on the lag, too Over my dead avatar! But... to encourage the responsible use of particles... I wouldn't object to a L$ fine for people creating more than the drawable 4096 particles at the same time. (Particles are an excellent addition to secondlife... when used considerately!  )Heck... there should be lag fines. "Other scripts are waiting because your scripts are using up more than 90% of this sim's processing time... L$1000 fine per day." Shame about the LoD ... we could have Hair Fines... "You have 900 twisted cut toruses on your head, causing rendering lag. L$500 fine per day!" Or... L$10 per prim set to material Light instead of full-bright per day, but that's no longer an issue thank the Lindens that be. Or a L$1 returned object fee for items left on other people's land that end up being returned manually? As a way to encourage people to clean up after themselves. _____________________
* The Particle Laboratory * - One of SecondLife's Oldest Learning Resources.
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Rasah Tigereye
"Buckaneer American"
Join date: 30 Nov 2003
Posts: 783
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05-31-2006 08:31
The above is mostly cynicism speaking. The simple facts are that while the rich do tend to find and use all availible loopholes to keep as much of their money as they possibly can, they are still, invariably...taxed more than the poor and middle class INDIVIDUALLY. Now if you want to do pure base numbers...yeah the poor and the middle class pay more tax demographically, but individually they pay far less. Individually, actual ammount-wise, yes. Percentage of total income, no. But I do see your point As for taxes paying for something substantial, LL can't even get descent roads built up around SL |
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Pounce Teazle
Registered User
Join date: 22 Sep 2005
Posts: 116
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05-31-2006 08:49
I would be verymuch for a 1L per startet IM session.
People would think a little if they really have to spam everyone with IMs. Everyone who lived through a day with 40+IMs per hour will understand,cuz you get done NOTHING. And no, busy is not an option, i cant shut my incoming IMs completly because there are IMs i have to answer to, and with the lousy privacy options SL had... I would even pay to be able to have only selected people able to IM me, or remove selectet people without muting them outright. |
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Lil Carducci
Registered User
Join date: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 62
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Theres sex in sl?
05-31-2006 08:51
Ok I know I need to leave my property every once in a while.
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Jopsy Pendragon
Perpetual Outsider
Join date: 15 Jan 2004
Posts: 1,906
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05-31-2006 08:55
For all your particle questions..
IM: 1-900-PAR-TICL Just L$5 per message! Customer is hereby notified that all answers may be lengthy and the L$5 applies to each line of reply text from the PAR-TICL hotline and agrees to the terms and conditions set here-in. Failure to understand the plain text answers is not the problem of the hotline, but the caller. Additional clarification may be provided if requested for the continuing fee of L$5 per message. Void in sims where particles are prohibited. Busy messages may count as L$5 fee messages. Taxes and surcharges may apply. _____________________
* The Particle Laboratory * - One of SecondLife's Oldest Learning Resources.
Free particle, control and targetting scripts. Numerous in-depth visual demonstrations, and multiple sandbox areas. - Stop by and try out Jopsy's new "Porgan 1800" an advanced steampunk styled 'particle organ' and the new particle texture store! |
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Jopsy Pendragon
Perpetual Outsider
Join date: 15 Jan 2004
Posts: 1,906
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05-31-2006 09:07
For all your particle questions..
IM: 1-900-PAR-TICL Just L$5 per message! Customer is hereby notified that all answers may be lengthy and the L$5 applies to each line of reply text from the PAR-TICL hotline and agrees to the terms and conditions set here-in. Failure to understand the plain text answers is not the problem of the hotline, but the caller. Additional clarification may be provided if requested for the continuing fee of L$5 per message. Void in sims where particles are prohibited. Busy messages may count as L$5 fee messages. Taxes and surcharges may apply. _____________________
* The Particle Laboratory * - One of SecondLife's Oldest Learning Resources.
Free particle, control and targetting scripts. Numerous in-depth visual demonstrations, and multiple sandbox areas. - Stop by and try out Jopsy's new "Porgan 1800" an advanced steampunk styled 'particle organ' and the new particle texture store! |
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Pumpkin Cookie
Custom Photographer
Join date: 5 Mar 2006
Posts: 108
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chargeing for inst mess
05-31-2006 09:29
oh come on this is soo odd its beyond laughable are your a verizon worker ?
an want to play long distance ? lol |
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Surreal Farber
Cat Herder
Join date: 5 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,059
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05-31-2006 09:44
Well it would be a pain in the ass for customers who have a customer service need. But it might cut down on some of my IMs, so hmmmm......
Oh, and if you tax sales then those taxes will be rolled into product costs and paid by buyers. And yes, Siggy's right... gamed in 60 seconds. _____________________
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2fast4u Nabob
SL-ice.net
Join date: 28 Dec 2005
Posts: 542
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People would work around it
05-31-2006 10:50
Hello, Would a $1L pay per IM (instant message) be a good idea? Such a money sink would eliminate millions of $L from the economy and regular, general chat would still be free. Darwin Tiger Would not last long because there are other ways to have a private conversation. I can think of a scripted system now that could easily allow you to have a private conversation with someone without using IM. Besides - SL is not a dating service where you typically have to pay to contact someone directly. Even people that use dating services eventually figure out how to get around having to pay to contact eachother. -2fast |
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Seraph Nephilim
and the angels will weep
Join date: 28 Jan 2006
Posts: 255
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05-31-2006 11:05
Practice safe sex. Wear a Linden |
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
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05-31-2006 12:31
Welcome to the internet. If you build it...someone will exploit a hole in your system by tea time. Nothing is perfect. But irregardless, even splitting your sales boxes between 5 accounts you'd still be paying into the tax fund. The money would still dissapear into hardware sinks for Linden Labs so they can better the support infrastructure of the game. Like I said its not perfect but I think several million a week going INTO the game in some tangible fashion is alot better than several million a week going INTO the Lindex to no gain to the common good at all except to create an atmosphere of economic hysteria. That was my point - if you can circumvent most of it without even thinking, its not a terribly good solution now is it? As for the rest - think for a moment... LL prints pretend money - you pay it back to LL in taxes - as opposed to selling it to other players and giving LL a % cut in USD for service fees. How is the former putting money (USD) back into the game again? Money going into Lindex actually does better for the company in that scenario. _____________________
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