Stipend Burning Party

Put your money where your mouth is. I'll be having a stipend burning party at 6:00 PM tonight at Extreme. During the hour I'll burn my stipend ... maybe 100L every 10 minutes, mabye 9L every minute ... I don't know but I'm gunna burn them! Come join me and lets all burn L's together! This is going to be FUN FUN FUN! Rock on!

I could bring along my content provider and you can buy and then shoot up my MkIII Satilites. I can set the price at 500 lindens. Dosn't that sound like fun?

Onl if you promise to give that $L to Governor Linden in turn. (you said yourself you don't care about the value of $L, so this shouldn't be a problem for you, right?)

Well, It seems that Ranma has turned to the dark side and become a "content" provider! I have made a few sales of my DSCS phase III Satellite.
About waste, how about if I promise to go out and party with the money or buy a new GPS system for my Supra?

Nah, I meant make the $L dissapear/go away, instead of using it to drive down the market even more.
I'll be buying an E-Ten PocketPC/Phone/GPS combo with my $L btw.

*shameless bump* ... see you guys tonight. I'm burning mine where are you??? *grin*

How do you burn them? By giving them back to the Governor?

Actually I have a "Burning Iris" ball ... it pays them to Iris Linden and you can buy one for zero dollars and the script inside is full mod so is the object so you can verify what it is doing. You could just pay a linden directly but burning them together is a lot more satisfying!

I'll be surprised if even 5k gets sent back...

From the showing last night at both the 'Burning Party' and the 'Demonstrations', it would appear to me that either the majority of SL Players do not come to the forums (or at least not this forum), or they are completely apathetic about the whole situation.

I had set out an Iris at the governor's mansion, and $111 L$ went through the ball back to Iris Linden...

While I am not worried about the value of the Linden. I will let others "burn" their own money. What big money was taken out of circulation! Think most residents don't visit the forums and most don't want to hurt themselves to help the Big Landlords make even more income!

I couldn't come to trust the iris script, so just paid to gov linden directly. Besides, I don't even know who this Iris Linden is, or what the money going to her will end up doing.

Iris Linden is an account they set up as a camera to watch the WAs, etc... I think they'd log her into a computer with a TV projector beaming the image on the wall for everyone in the office to see. Thus "Iris" (Very punny!)

Iris is just as open to the Lindens as Governor. I think either would result in the effective destruction of the L$ sent.

Huh. Probably more so than the Governor, since Iris is I guess stuck staring at stuff, while the gov can walk around, cash out his $L, and buy office supplies with it or something.
er, wait, does that mean that every time someone pays the ball, you can see the payment on the screen streamed to wherever Iris video is streamed to?

While it's nice to see residents being active in their attempts to help LL remove excess L$ from the economy, I'm a little confused about the methods being suggested. After all we have a feature already implemented in SL which allows us to 'burn' as many L$ as we choose and at the same time spread a little good will and gratitude. It's called the ratings system!

It's just a suggestion but maybe instead of sending your excess L$ back to LL you could try using it to rate the creators of your favourite clothes, vehicles or buildings or wander around in the sandboxes rating the builders of some of the amazing stuff that you can find there or use it as an excuse to go sight-seeing more often, just tp to some random point on the map once a day and explore until you've found something you consider worth rating.

At the end of the day the L$ you spend on ratings will be going to exactly the same place regardless, and you may just make somebody feel like the hard work and effort they put into whatever it is they're creating is being appreciated... I know that out of the 1725+ residents that have taken a free copy of my Calculator HUD attachment, I've been very appreciative of the 5 or 6 people who've bothered to say thank you by rating me for putting the effort into making it!


Oh and you never know the people you rate may just rate you back, and that's another L$25 'burnt'

If she were in use, sure. I've not seen Iris an many a moon...

Good point SunenRec.

It's a good idea and I like it, but I think the point of paying the Gov or some other Linden was that this was a protest. Paying Lindens will get noticed, while ratings probably won't, and if nothing is changed, people would just have to keep rating at the same rate just to make this work.
Granted probably neither of those options (paying Lindens or rating others) will actually have any effect on LL's decisions

Ok, I was under the impression this was some sort of proactive attempt to do something about the current excess of L$ in our economy rather than some form of protest, and you're right an increase in ratings wouldn't be as noticable by LL (assuming the Linden account you're paying money to is checked regularly that is)




Which would be a superb way to reduce the excess L$, especially if you were to use your L$ to educate and encourage new players to rate others. For instance, you could travel around the new First Land sims every day (where you'll most likely find a large proportion of the denizens are new premium account holding residents) and rate a few buildings and perhaps in turn encourage the creators to go out and rate their neighbours. If it catches on then it would mean much larger amounts of L$ being removed from the economy, if not then at least you'll have seen a few new sights and probably met a few nice new folks as well.




I'm not sure exactly which of LLs decisions are being protested against by paying one of them your excess L$, but you're probably right. I think the problem is that while LL do in fact consider the opinions of residents and the SL community in general their first responsibility is to the development of SL as a platform, and while the economy is an essential part of that platform it's not something they can directly intervene in. If SL is to survive and develop as a platform then it needs to be able to stabilise its economy internally rather than by 'divine intervention' from LL.

The question is do you want to do something about the economy or do you want to keep protesting on the off chance that someone else might?

Um... yes

ok, ok... alternatively you could spend 4 hours touring a variety of insanely textured boxes and being hounded mercilessly by some of the scariest weirdos you're ever likely to meet, but I'm sure my first scenario is much closer to the truth ... no, really!

I do think that an increase in ratings would benefit the economy, but achieving that increase would take a lot of advertising, and proper support from LL of course.

As an alternative we could just end all stipends, remove teleporting from the game and instead give everyone a pay to ride saddle that they can wear... i'm sure the financially destitute residents of SL would appreciate the extra income and I imagine the richer residents would jump at the chance to ride them around the grid like ponies

OMG how funny ... I can remember when your stipend was in part based on your rating and every monday people had rating parties where everyone would rate everyone else in order to get a larger stipend the next tuesday.

Back then it cost $1 L to rate so it was no big deal.

Can you imagine ... full cirlce, we can have rating parties to BURN stipends every tuesday.

Return of the rating parties for the opposite reason ROFL ... this is too funny.

I wonder how popular rating parties would be if we had them now? Back then they were quite popular.

As far as the burning party, I think only about 2K went through my ball but others were rezzing balls as well so I'm not sure how much was burnt.

As far as what is this for, it's not so LL will take notice and do something themselves. It's simply to do it YOURSELF. Becaue the power is in your hands to burn your stipends. Does LL have to do everything for you?

2K ... this is not much, but it's a start. I'll continue to have the burning parties on tuesday. I might even change them to rating parties. Although the burning is fun because it's announced when you do it and there's actually a sense of accomplishment. It's FUN. If you didn't come burn any L's then I don't need a comment as to this aspect of burning, believe me it is fun.

Possibly a rate and burn party?

I don't much care "how" stipends are burned I just know they are a glut on the economy and there IS something we can do about it. We can give them up. We don't have to protest or demand or march around. We can JUST DO IT.

I like the rating idea ... so Rate And Burn next tuesday? ... you all are invited ... this is NOT a protest. This is a PARTY of people being pro active.

BURN BABY BURN!

hehe yeah I remember that too. They changed the cost of ratings shortly after I joined SL, and I remember the huge commotion it caused and all the people who demonstrated against it and called for a buoycott on ratings.

It would be interesting to see what shape the economy would be in now if residents has continued to rate each other despite the increase in price and removal of the ratings bonus.

It would also be interesting to see just how many of those who protested the increased cost of ratings are now protesting the lack of significant economic sinks and the devaluing L$

I'm kinda opposite of the expectation I guess. I was always against ratings, since they were games like crazy, and while I have been here for a while and earned my ratings, some two week noob could come by, visit a few ratings parties, and out-rate me by more than half in no time. Top that off, that newb would get a higher stippend than I did. So I tended to protest the ratings, and only give them out to people I felt actually deserved them. Yet I'm against the large stippends too.

OK, it looks like we're back to just burning then. Note, anyone can just use find and pay a Linden ... the idea of a burning party is to have some fun and participate in the burning. There is nothing magic about it. This is something we can do which is pro-active, interactive and fun. We're not helpless.

I understand all the volinteering to give up stipends, that's another path. Those are people wishing to be heard and hoping that makes a difference. This is for people who don't "wish" this is for people who "do". This makes an immediate difference. Albiet a small one it does make a difference. The more participants the greater the effect. And truly it would be all the little contributions which would add up to a noticeable effect, just as it's all the single L$ 500 stipends that add up to the 60,000,000 introduced every month. Every little bit adds up.

I'd like to note that rating is still viable for those who see it as a more justifiable option but sill would like to pro-actively burn thier stipend every week. Simply rate builds and rate people for thier skills as you come accross them and try to use up 500 a week rating where rating is due. If there is any left, come on down tuesday and burn it with us! Or just pay a Linden, but the burning party is much more fun =c)