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A concrete proposal for welcoming "rent/buy" in private sims

April Firefly
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Join date: 3 Aug 2004
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04-29-2005 06:56
From: Toy LaFollette
It's really quite simple. If you think your buying land and you click about land and its not in your name your renting it.

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Originally Posted by April Firefly
Toy, I hope you don't mind my answering. When I paid for my land, I invited Anshe to be an officer in my group. She then deeded the land to my group and then she left the group. So the land is deeded to my group and I am the sole officer. I can use it like I did with land I owned. I can terraform and add trees or take away trees. The biggest problem I had when I rented was being able to move trees and terraform. This doesn't happen with the land I bought from Anshe.

And yes it is an island. I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner.
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Toy LaFollette
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Join date: 11 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,359
04-29-2005 07:35
From: April Firefly
Quote:
Originally Posted by April Firefly
Toy, I hope you don't mind my answering. When I paid for my land, I invited Anshe to be an officer in my group. She then deeded the land to my group and then she left the group. So the land is deeded to my group and I am the sole officer. I can use it like I did with land I owned. I can terraform and add trees or take away trees. The biggest problem I had when I rented was being able to move trees and terraform. This doesn't happen with the land I bought from Anshe.

And yes it is an island. I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner.



sorry I, dragging this out as well, Im basically trying to figure this all out. Another question, do you pay tier directly to LL or Anshe.com?
If this was an entire island this makes a huge difference.
quote from the island faq:
The island can only be transferred as a single parcel. It will not be possible to sell subsections of the island at any time. Any transfer of funds, whether in L$ or US$, must be handled between the original owner and the new owner. Linden Lab is unable to provide billing support, or to enforce any payment agreements between you and the new owner.
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Prokofy Neva
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Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
04-29-2005 08:31
Toy, it was already covered earlier in this thread and others that yes, you pay tier to Anshe. I wish people would make a little field trip out there to actually see what all this is about, read the notecards, etc.

Pham, you're absolutely right. You want Anshe to keep some of those powers of ownership because you want her to enforce actions swiftly and effectively against griefers. If 10 owners say somebody is griefing them with a weapon or a bounce script, Anshe who "gets" it about land ownership and protecting communities and their way of life will free that griefer and not dissolve into a theoretical discussion about what the line of script says in it and whether it therefore qualifies as a "weapon" and whether it fits Lee Linden's criteria for a "good" bounce script blah blah blah. There's a griefer, he's bothering everyone, click, gone. Next. I agree that it's going to have some troublesome connotations for society when you make such exclusive gated communities, but on the issue of getting rid of griefers, there will be more than enough consensus at least at the outset to click-eject that problem that has vexed people for years in this game.

It's absolutely true that Anshe will not have time for this, and will have to get more staff And it's absolutely true that a neighbour will exaggerate things, cook up stuff, make up stuff based on nervousness and fears and being too strung out, and will make my life miserable -- trust me, I've had *precisely* that experience in Ansheland *already* and finally moved because of it. But so what? On balance, most people will have a good experience and we don't need to be taking out our microscopes and looking for flaws and magnifying them beyond all reason. Common sense dictates: this will be better for many people. Some will find a community organized by a large corporation that can get clumsy when it moves and not keep up with CS is not the ideal experience. Then they can come and rent from a smaller business like mine : ) Others will admire the streamlining and efficiency the larger corporation brings and the "look" they will muster in the architecture of the whole sim.
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Its not about that, its about the consumer going to the land to begin with only to find its not a true sale or what they are looking for.


As I've already said about this several times now, if you're only worried about someone having an unnecessary second-long TP out to a land they thought was for sale, I'd like you to come up with actual testimony of people doing that. Most people have either seen the ad on the forums and understand it is "different" OR when they are looking at the ad on the land list, there is a picture (or just a grey box) and a description in the box and they can read it. It says:

Please contact Anshe Chung to buy and read info on the website www.anshechung.com

BTW, that's what is has *always* said long before this discussion, and that's why I"ve always found this entire discussion concocted out of thin air. It is motivated not by selfless concern about misled people, but by other emotions having more to do with jealousy, hatred, and suspicion.

And I am absolutely right to keep bringing up this issue of the hatred of land commerce in the threads that relate to it. The entire motivation of this and related threads springs from the hatred of the landowning class which in turn either springs from just incited inchoate group hate, or a more thoroughgoing Marxian-type ideology that hates and repudiates capitalism/land "speculation" etc.

I have yet to understand what *your own* issue is here, Lindar.

Are you planning to invest in such a project and want airtight security about advertising it?
Are you planning to live in such a project and want reassurances against fraud?
Do you see yourself as a public-minded individual just out to prevent fraud of the public?
Are you already signed up for some ideological battle here, disguised or no, having to do with reducing the influence of the land-owning class?
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