Support the New Member Churn
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
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02-09-2006 06:51
New member churn is often portrayed negatively by forum pontificators. In actuality, churn is GOOD for SL and the SL economy. You see, most of the people who buy stuff are new. They are the hungry wolves who devour content creator's inventions, who chill out in the jazzy nightclub, and who rent space (for a time) from landlords. They come in with a vociferous appetite for SL goods and consume like crazy. Thats good for the economy  After a time, nOObs stop eating so much. They stop shopping so much. They stop clubbing so much. Soon, they have amassed enough material things to last a (virtual) lifetime. So they stop buying. Thats bad for the economy.  So, churn is good because people come in, devour large amounts of content, then leave before they have the chance to just sit around buying nothing and getting old. I wouldn't be surprised if this was LL's strategy to help out the SL economy and why they are not overtly worried about SL's churn numbers (which some armchair economists have termed "bad"  . Its probably all part of Philip's grand strategy to keep the economy working. So in short, Support New Member Churn!! Its GOOD for the economy!!
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Rinji Kawabata
Registered User
Join date: 28 Sep 2005
Posts: 32
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02-09-2006 07:10
Yes, support the churn, sell other people's freebies to newbies! Don't give them a notecard with locations or anything so that they can get the freebies themselves - sell them to them! Now who is the wolf again? 
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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02-09-2006 07:15
In other words, you want a never-ending stream of ignorant players to sell your over-priced, stolen goods to, and you don't like experienced players, because they don't buy your warez. Oppose that with established players, to whom the market is not big and alien, who recognize name brands for the quality they represent.
Gotcha.
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Boliver Oddfellow
CEO Infinite Vision Media
Join date: 22 Sep 2005
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02-09-2006 07:27
Jamie Jamie Jamie once again you fail in your efforts to hide your true intentions. Give it up and go away.
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
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02-09-2006 07:33
From: Boliver Oddfellow Jamie Jamie Jamie once again you fail in your efforts to hide your true intentions. Give it up and go away. My true intentions are to offer sound financial and economic advice to the community. In fact, I'm very community minded... over the past month, I donated a total of L$4,030 to the SL community. We are all connected and all must do our part.
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
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02-09-2006 07:34
From: Reitsuki Kojima In other words, you want a never-ending stream of ignorant players to sell your over-priced, stolen goods to, and you don't like experienced players, because they don't buy your warez. Oppose that with established players, to whom the market is not big and alien, who recognize name brands for the quality they represent.
Gotcha. I have no idea what you are talking about. I sell quality products and bargain prices. Because my prices are so low, my competition will stop at nothing to see me closed down because I negatively impact their business. However, I will never cease offering the residents of SecondLife a haven for bargains. Think of me as the Wal-Mart of SecondLife.
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
Posts: 6,627
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02-09-2006 07:40
From: Jamie Bergman I have no idea what you are talking about. Would you like me to post a dozen links or so to remind you?
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Lewis Nerd
Nerd by name and nature!
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
Posts: 3,431
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02-09-2006 07:45
From: Jamie Bergman Think of me as the Wal-Mart of SecondLife. I've never met you... but I'm not sure that analogy really does you any favours! Lewis
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Travis Lambert
White dog, red collar
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
Posts: 2,819
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02-09-2006 07:47
From my experience, there are all sorts of residents here: some are shopping addicts, and some aren't interested in shopping in the least. The ones that are into shopping, appear to me to spend more time doing it as they get established - not less. IMHO - getting new residents established (and hooked on SL) is much better for the economy than churn. 
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Nyx Divine
never say never!
Join date: 11 Dec 2004
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02-09-2006 07:49
From: Kris Ritter Would you like me to post a dozen links or so to remind you? Links are always good, keeps those new to the forums and SL abreast of what is REALLY going on.
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
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02-09-2006 07:50
From: Travis Lambert IMHO - getting new residents established (and hooked on SL) is much better for the economy than churn.  Yes, but then they get wise to the scams and get to know who the parasites are, see? And that's not good for the scamming parasites business.
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
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02-09-2006 07:51
I can see (some) of you will never get past your issues with me and that I'll never be able to post serious topics under my name.
Now that, my friends, is a sad state of affairs.
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Lordfly Digeridoo
Prim Orchestrator
Join date: 21 Jul 2003
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02-09-2006 07:54
From: Jamie Bergman I can see (some) of you will never get past your issues with me and that I'll never be able to post serious topics under my name.
Now that, my friends, is a sad state of affairs. Maybe if you weren't a scam artist alt account we'd be more willing to listen to you. As it stands, you're just trolling. Buh-bye.
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
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02-09-2006 07:59
From: Jamie Bergman I can see (some) of you will never get past your issues with me and that I'll never be able to post serious topics under my name.
Now that, my friends, is a sad state of affairs. Make your own bed, lie in it. Why should anyone be ready to get over 'the past' when you continue to do the very things so many people have called you out on and are totally unrepentant about it, while hiding behind your capitalism shield?
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
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02-09-2006 08:07
From: Jamie Bergman My true intentions are to offer sound financial and economic advice to the community. In fact, I'm very community minded... over the past month, I donated a total of L$4,030 to the SL community.
We are all connected and all must do our part. Wow, you gave away 14 dollars and some change! What a philanthropist! Is that the money you earned selling freebies?
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Dianne Mechanique
Back from the Dead
Join date: 28 Mar 2005
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02-09-2006 08:12
From: Travis Lambert From my experience, there are all sorts of residents here: some are shopping addicts, and some aren't interested in shopping in the least. The ones that are into shopping, appear to me to spend more time doing it as they get established - not less. IMHO - getting new residents established (and hooked on SL) is much better for the economy than churn.  Travis is right. You may think of yourself as some kind of capitalistic legend but you dont even seem to know what your talking about IMO. Your just making broad assumptions about behaviour based on your thoughts as you sit at your desk. Speculation is not market research, and "Jamie thinks ... (insert today's idea here)" is not analysis. At the very least you need to take some classes in marketing and sales and do some actual research on the economy. Aside from the truth of Travis's observation about shopaholics *not* changing their behaviour as you suggest, there is the fact that older players who do slow down on the shopping are contributing to the economy in other more substantial ways. Many times they become content creators themselves or involve themselves in community projects. What do you think they are doing if they are not shopping?? Do you actually think that people just come to SL and sit around doing nothing at all? Most of my friends are too busy to have time to shop. All you have done is describe *one* type of SL player. A shallow, in it for the quick thrill type of person that shows up and makes a big noise, shops till they drop, and then gets horribly bored and leaves the game. I think if you look in the mirror you will see a similar type of person to this profile of the "average SL customer" you are suggesting here, but projecting your own personality traits onto the market is not a way to suceed in buisness. To do that you have to be able to understand customers motivated by things that aren't in your own playbook.
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Margaret Mfume
I.C.
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
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02-09-2006 08:18
From: Jamie Bergman My true intentions are to offer sound financial and economic advice to the community. In fact, I'm very community minded... over the past month, I donated a total of L$4,030 to the SL community.
We are all connected and all must do our part. What percentage of your profit would that be? The new user seems to contribute a significant amount towards your fiscal well being. How much gain moved you to give back to the community L$4,030 in one month?
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Argent Stonecutter
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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02-09-2006 11:29
From: Travis Lambert From my experience, there are all sorts of residents here: some are shopping addicts, and some aren't interested in shopping in the least. The ones that are into shopping, appear to me to spend more time doing it as they get established - not less. I dunno. Some people don't like shopping but have other interests that make them want to spend money. For example, i have multiple body disorder. First couple of months I didn't spend more than I got off the stipend. I got pretty good rep bonuses, mostly for bouncing around helping people with programming problems, sometimes doubled my stipend. Then I discovered IGE, and went on a buying spree. US$50 a month, easy, on IGE and then LindeX... but now I've dropped to less than half of that... and unless someone comes up with some new kind of really cool thing I suspect that I'll be paying for little more than rent on my land in a few months.
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Creami Cannoli
Please don't eat me....
Join date: 17 Jul 2005
Posts: 414
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02-09-2006 11:34
From: Jamie Bergman My true intentions are to offer sound financial and economic advice to the community. In fact, I'm very community minded... over the past month, I donated a total of L$4,030 to the SL community.
We are all connected and all must do our part. So let me see if I understand this...when I want "sound" financial advice, my best bet would be to get my butt to a prison to talk to someone caught doing some sort of white collar financial crime? Because you are a crook and you think you offer "sound" advice. Or did you forget that?
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
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02-09-2006 11:50
From: Creami Cannoli So let me see if I understand this...when I want "sound" financial advice, my best bet would be to get my butt to a prison to talk to someone caught doing some sort of white collar financial crime?
Because you are a crook and you think you offer "sound" advice.
Or did you forget that? So now its a crime to be a Capitalist in SecondLife? I think Philip Linden would beg to differ - he's completely for building a capitalistic society- and thanks to him Capitalism flourishes within the confines of SL.
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,328
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02-09-2006 11:57
From: Jamie Bergman So now its a crime to be a Capitalist in SecondLife? I think Philip Linden would beg to differ - he's completely for building a capitalistic society- and thanks to him Capitalism flourishes within the confines of SL. . From: Reitsuki Kojima I can't believe nobody else has realized that Jamie is an intentional parody.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Sara Sullivan
Registered User
Join date: 21 Nov 2005
Posts: 211
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Being a crook and fleecing newbies is NOT capitalism
02-09-2006 13:36
create your own content, You may have ideas but it appears to be at the expense of people, usually newbies who dont know any better. thankfully PTP teleporting may help get the freebie reselling down and the once the new players start receiving NEW AVI packages with the freebies already there it will be a sad day for our greatest crook opps capitalist
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Michael Seraph
Second Life Resident
Join date: 9 Nov 2004
Posts: 849
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02-09-2006 13:51
From: Jamie Bergman So now its a crime to be a Capitalist in SecondLife? I think Philip Linden would beg to differ - he's completely for building a capitalistic society- and thanks to him Capitalism flourishes within the confines of SL. Let's go over this again. Second Life is not capitalist. Capital is the money invested in commercial enterprises. Since LL refuses to implement a system where residents can enter into binding contracts, large scale investment of capital in SL businesses won't happen. No contracts means no real stock market means no capitalism. I'd have thought that would be obvious to SL's leading Capitalist. On another note, Jamie, do you have any data to back up your "churn" claim? Or is this just another "makes sense to Jamie" thing so it must be true?
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
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02-09-2006 14:07
From: Michael Seraph Let's go over this again. Second Life is not capitalist. Capital is the money invested in commercial enterprises. Since LL refuses to implement a system where residents can enter into binding contracts, large scale investment of capital in SL businesses won't happen. No contracts means no real stock market means no capitalism. I'd have thought that would be obvious to SL's leading Capitalist. / From: someone
You're dead wrong on this. You have no idea what capitalism is, my friend. IM me inworld and I will be happy to help.
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Creami Cannoli
Please don't eat me....
Join date: 17 Jul 2005
Posts: 414
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02-09-2006 14:14
From: Jamie Bergman So now its a crime to be a Capitalist in SecondLife? I think Philip Linden would beg to differ - he's completely for building a capitalistic society- and thanks to him Capitalism flourishes within the confines of SL. I FULLY support the actual capitalists in SL. I fully support the people that have worked hard by creating items that I want/will use. I don't think I have bitched about the fact that some of them are so good at what they do, they are able to make RL money off of SL. I support that. I do not support pissants that can't be bothered to create their own items, and would rather suck off everyone else. I do not support assholes that can't see when they are doing something completely wrong. You might want to change your user title to "Parasitic Legend" or 'Legend in her own mind"
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