Alts first land!.

i have 3 512 lots around me. that have just sat there for the last 7 months, there all first land plots.. i have repeatedly tried to contact these people about buying them etc.
to no avail!. i have tried to trace them down etc. and have noticed the one seems to be a group. that got together and had a ratings party with there alts. theres like 10 members and all have the same ratings etc. so you know there just alts... so the land just sits there and is no good for any one. !. which to my thinking ..... isnt right.....!
Isnt there?. or shouldnt there be some kind of rule. stating ....... "that with first land "you have to use it. or lose it ?.after a certain time ?.....just like the homesteaders. you can have it but do something with it. and also wouldnt it cut down on all this land baron crap!. as no one is goin to buy these 512 lots for 10-20k!.they might get 5k if there lucky.!.
any one have any ideas or comments on this?.

If you are saying that the land is being held "for sale" to these residents and they haven't claimed it in 7 months then yeah, that does seem like a bit of a waste. Maybe it wouldn't be bad idea for LL to check up on whether or not their plots have been sold and issue a warning that the land needs to be claimed or put back into the land pool. Could make a little extra room for other new residents. BUT...if you're saying that these people have bought the land and it's just empty and they aren't using it, well...that's their choice. Can't make someone build/use land (ie bringing unthirsty horses to water or some such proverbial nonsense). Also, I don't really see the relevance of the owners being in a group of people which may be rating each other.

and finally finally...lol...what!. is?. with this?.? n0 offense, I've just never seen punctuation do that before.

There should be no such rule. If you buy land, you should be free to do whatever you want with it (within the guidelines of TOS, CS, etc...). That includes doing nothing with it.

HP

It could also be prim land and just be glad it doesn't have a bunch of blue spinning Impeach Bush signs on it or other nonsense...

well. its just the way i type luv... mmmmmmm........what i am saying is...these people have bought the first land with there alts...... and are not doin anything with it. i thought first land was for newbies to get started with not for some group of alts to grab land and then sit on it. thats the point.. and oh lol... if you dont like the punctuation please keep it to your self. and i suppose you agree that its ok. to have one person with 6-7 alts. buying up first land which should be goin to real newbies. he he he .!..

If they really bought the land with alts, that a TOS violation and you should report them.

As to whether LL will _do_ anything about it, well, that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.

Pure speculation, no?

ZZR is right, you're lucky there aren't any annoying builds left untended for 7 months to brighten your view.

ty Dogspot.. there are alts im sure of it. so i will check that out futher with the TOS.

Land barons don't set the prices. Linden Labs sets the bottom price for new land in the auctions, and residents set the limit on how much they will buy for on the grid. In reality, if you look, land barons are selling 512 for less than 5k in most cases. Most land being sold by land barons is being sold at the same price it would go for in the Linden Labs auctions. If you are looking at someone selling for 10k-20k for a 512, chances are they aren't a land baron. Land barons that don't exploit only survive by pricing to sell. If it is at a price no one will pay, then it is not a land baron that will last longer than a month. Land barons skim off the money lost by those that are impatient and want to sell fast. They aren't skimming money off of prices no one pays. If no one pays, then there is no money to begin with.

This topic surfaces every so often. As long as it's technically possible to buy first land with alt accounts, people will do it. If you want more land, drop to basic account and rent land on private islands instead (I can recommend Schwanson Schlegel, Hiro Queso or Azure Islands). You can get about 2000m2 group deeded land for the $10 (premium) + $5 (tier) you would normally pay LL each month for 1024m2.

i see. ty for the info. Dark.....just seems very frustrating when you cant even get an answer from these people...

It is not against the TOS to buy first land with your alts. (Within the 5-alt lifetime maximum each person gets, whatever that is.)

I think, though, there is such a concept as "abandoned" land, where the Lindens will check to see if it has been abandoned, and if so, re-release it. Maybe this means people who haven't logged in 90 days or something; I'm not sure, it's just something I've heard, so maybe you could ask about that.

coco

If they paid for the land I dont see the issue if they choose not to build or utilise it its thier land to use as they please. It seems more that your unhappy because you want it and for whatever reason they dont wish to sell it or they would of contacted you. Also a high price is not indicative a land baron, it may be someone who is using the land for prim space or a has something in mind down theline and does really want to sell unless its just too much money to resist.

If you really want more space then I suggest moving and purchasing in an area that has the land size you require. If not then enjoy the fact you have a clear view with land you didnt have to pay for to keep it that way.

well. i have an 1.8 th of a sim.now....theres just these lil plots surrounding me. and one. is almost in in the middle of me....... sooo. it would just be nice. to have them at say yes or no. but nothing .. for the last 7 months. lol. i have made so many attempts to contact this group with no. results......sooo as Dogspot said,i can report it to LL. but lol. thats almost like trying to get in touch with these alts. lol. Thank you you all for your advice and input...as i am new to the land stuff. : ).ty......

thats sounds good Cocoanut, that could be it as well!. who knows! .. cant hurt to inquire about it....... and Sparkle eye.... its not that i want the land so bad . i could use the one plot but its the fact that you have a group of alts that have bought these. and .wont respond... wont do anything!!!!!........there just in limbo.!. so from what Cocoanut says. if they dont log in in a certian time . then maybe its abandon...........

Buying first land with alts is NOT agaist the TOS, all the Lindens have said on the matter is its not what it was intended for..

Where in the TOS does it say you can't buy First Land with alts?

If they dont log in then it may just be land that was bought to use to help with prim allowance. We had to do this with one our builds when the surrounding land to the build wasn't available for purchase there were a couple 512 plots that I was able to get for a reasonable price.

Both these plots are quite a distance from our build with nothing on them and have been that way for several months and will continue that way as I have no intent on building on them, just needed the prims.

They need to be paying for thier accounts to maintain the tier for the land or it revert bk to the lindens, is my understanding.

Sorry for the dig on your typing shara, just thought it was interesting anywho. I don't think I've ever heard anything about an "abandoned" land policy. I imagine if land is owned by a resident that gets banned from SL, then the land is taken back by LL, but other than that I've seen plots last.....over a year now that haven't had a single thing changed about them and the owner hasn't logged on in pretty much all of that time as far as I know.

Should they be able to take the land back in the case of inactivity? I don't think so. Because even if no one is using it, someone is still paying real money for it. At least 10$ a month. Sort of like shutting off someones cable if they don't watch tv for 6 months. If they are foolish enough to still pay for it...it's theirs.

Good grief, I hope not! I'd hate to log in after 3 months or more away and find my land had been taken! As long as people are paying their tier/premium fee, I'd expect the land to still belong to them.

Land parcels which used to be owned by residents and later turn up in the auctions are from residents who are a month or more behind in tier.

When I owned a lot of land and lived in Hina, I had a 3000sq m plot (I know small small, it was a lot for me , and this was.. April 2004..)

Anyway, it was surrounded by first land, or land for the landless as it may have been back then.. They logged in once, put up a leopard skin cabin and put a beach ball in it, and I never saw them again..

I know it can be annoying.. But as long as they're paying tier, they should be able to keep it

Well, no, you're right, I don't think the person who told me this meant that. I think maybe it means, they actually QUIT PAYING but the Lindens hadn't gotten around to clearing off their land.

coco

well nobody force you to answer to IM's , if they dont answer, consider its a no

this is how I see it..

A alt can buy First Land if thay never had First Land on none of there accounts.
1st account or alts.

1. main account gets First Land his alt can not buy First Land but can buy other land as long it is not First Land .

2. main account has land but never had First Land one of his alts can buy First Land. but just one alt.


ppl can and "have" got bannd, Suspended, for making alts just to buy up First Land.
It is called 'Abuse of the First Land program "

I know I seen this stuff on the Police Blotter before. it was like 2 or 3 weeks back I seen it. of ones geting bannd or Suspended for 'Abuse of the First Land program " for buying First Land with alts.

well. Steve this is what i think has been done.. and yes. no one has to answer anything ....lol.... but i dont think its because they dont want to . i think its because theres no one there. lol. there just alts.....and as far as using it for prims etc. nope! as we all know one another in the sim....its not a very populated sim!. so. i think i have covered most of that .. thats why i posted.but..... something learned is never a waste. and i apperciate all the feed back and comments...as it dose give me a better picture of the land issue. !......thank you all again .. : ).

U may be right about the alts, but then again U may be dead wrong. No U can't and shouldn't be allowed to 'auction' their lands, just because,..they paid for it and can do w/ it what they will.