Anyone looked into this?
Let's say I collected X$ L from everyone who watched a movie in SL and then paid a % of that to the original content owners.
They should be cool with that, right?
Anyone looking into this? I have a patent license agreement with MPEG-LA, but I think QT takes care of that issue for me.
Maybe arranging deals with independents might be easier.
Anyways, I think we'd all benefit from this kind of knowledge and could probably help (via numbers) the community get this type of licensing relationship going.
Anyone have any thoughts or ideas on how to go about this, I'm sure there will be a lot of people who are interested.
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blaze Spinnaker
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Adam Zaius
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03-31-2005 08:06
They should be cool with that, right? The problem will be, SL money is small. %x is still going to end up maybe $5 at most. Certainly not enough to justify the expense of dealing with it. -Adam _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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03-31-2005 08:11
Are you sure? I've heard of situations where you can rent a movie and play it for a group of people and only pay a certain small fee.
Could be wrong.. Not really my area of expertise. _____________________
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Eboni Khan
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03-31-2005 08:11
Why aren't more people thinking of creating original content secondlife movies. Why keep brining RL into SL, when we have the capabilites here to create movies entirely within in the world we live in here, in SL.
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blaze Spinnaker
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03-31-2005 08:19
They're probably not talking about because you haven't started the thread yet to talk about it
 One other idea, I thought is I bet there is a website where you can stream movies from if you pay a certain amount per stream. I think for new movies, this might not work, but for older movies on the rental shelf, this might be very viable. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
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Cid Jacobs
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03-31-2005 09:01
oh this gives me an idea.... there should be hired at this very moment a Truman Linden logged in world 24/7 and streaming a live video of everything he does to a site where we can all watch it or stream back into sl and watch on our parcels. Oh and of course this person would not need to know about second life before this and would need to think that all the avatars he meets are really part of a highly detailed AI engine too. We could do this whole thing on a private sim too. And we could have sl residents pay to have him wear certain clothes with their logos or use certain items they make. Oh what great joy we could all get from that aye!
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03-31-2005 09:16
Cid Jacobs oh this gives me an idea.... there should be hired at this very moment a Truman Linden logged in world 24/7 and streaming a live video of everything he does to a site where we can all watch it or stream back into sl and watch on our parcels. Oh and of course this person would not need to know about second life before this and would need to think that all the avatars he meets are really part of a highly detailed AI engine too. We could do this whole thing on a private sim too. And we could have sl residents pay to have him wear certain clothes with their logos or use certain items they make. Oh what great joy we could all get from that aye! And .......maybe they will let me have a walk on role *hopes*.
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Roberta Dalek
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03-31-2005 09:39
Anyone looked into this? Let's say I collected X$ L from everyone who watched a movie in SL and then paid a % of that to the original content owners. They should be cool with that, right? Anyone looking into this? I have a patent license agreement with MPEG-LA, but I think QT takes care of that issue for me. Maybe arranging deals with independents might be easier. Anyways, I think we'd all benefit from this kind of knowledge and could probably help (via numbers) the community get this type of licensing relationship going. Anyone have any thoughts or ideas on how to go about this, I'm sure there will be a lot of people who are interested. I'm doing some googling. This is a license for audio and music videos - http://www.prs.co.uk/redirect.asp?targetitem=1946&subjectId=836 It covers the UK and the US (and some other countries). They require the applicant to be a company and charge 8% royalties and a fixed fee. This is the license people should be using if *they* are UK based. This is a UK licensing body for film - http://www.filmbank.co.uk/default.asp " Filmbank Distributors Ltd. is the UK’s leading supplier of films for use outside the home and cinema. Videos and DVDs that you rent or purchase from a retailer or rental outlet are not for use outside the home. To show a film, outside the home, you need permission from the owner of the copyright (the studios) and for a number of studios, Filmbank can give you that permission. " The only license that the site has details of doesn't cover internet streaming. A UK based person would have to contact them for that. |
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cloudy Varmint
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03-31-2005 09:55
I was exploring preview 1.6 and stumbled into a very elite meeting..
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Lefty Belvedere
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lets wait and see...
03-31-2005 10:03
i'd hate to have the cart before the horse here...
Lets see if we can actually get 15 people watching a stream reliably every time. After that we can start having movie events and go from there. At this point i would discourage anyone from building a movie theater in hopes of making money. ***Joey wants to watch the monster movie but Jimmy keeps flying in front of the screen*** ~Lefty |
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Roberta Dalek
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03-31-2005 10:07
http://www.ppluk.com/
This is the other UK body licensing internet music. This agency collects money for performers and record companies - the performing rights society collects money for song writers. |
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Psyra Extraordinaire
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03-31-2005 10:26
The Lindencam! A webcam showing the server room. So we can watch the Lindens behind the scenes scurrying from server to server correcting faults. Like watching an ant farm....
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Arcadia Codesmith
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03-31-2005 11:06
In the US, the Motion Picture Licensing Corporation (mplc.com) can grant a license for unlimited showing of movies from most major studios. I don't know if they could or would cover streaming movies into a virtual world, but they might be a starting point for more information. What they charge is not publicly available, but one licensee quoted a max payment of $515 a year, depending on the capacity of the venue (a lot easier to determine in meatspace than cyberspace). Split up among members of a moderate-size organization, that might be doable.
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nimrod Yaffle
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03-31-2005 11:09
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blaze Spinnaker
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03-31-2005 21:04
Cool, thanks Roberta and Arcadia.
My understanding is that they have already achieved pretty good streaming in SL already. In theory, as long as your server can handle the BW, it should be all good as the impact on the SIM would be minimal. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Lance LeFay
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03-31-2005 21:32
In the US, the Motion Picture Licensing Corporation (mplc.com) can grant a license for unlimited showing of movies from most major studios. I don't know if they could or would cover streaming movies into a virtual world, but they might be a starting point for more information. What they charge is not publicly available, but one licensee quoted a max payment of $515 a year, depending on the capacity of the venue (a lot easier to determine in meatspace than cyberspace). Split up among members of a moderate-size organization, that might be doable. ~31 viewers, max- Assuming they don't watch from another sim. _____________________
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Jonathan Moe
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04-01-2005 00:38
Im making some enquiries about licenses etc
One question i have though. Im not sure how to stream a movie into SL? If i have a film on DVD how would i go about streaming it in? Will it be like audio just in another format? At the moment i rent a stream to send audio on, would it be hard to have something similar for video? EDIT: Yeah i know it's more than one question |
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04-01-2005 03:28
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blaze Spinnaker
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04-01-2005 04:31
Hmm,
well, I'm going to fire off an email to [email]info@mplc.com[/email], something like the following. Please give me some feedback on style, grammar, spelling, contents, etc and I will attempt to improve it based on said feedback. To whom it may concern: (Please note, for the following that other than holding a user account with SecondLife I am not affiliated with SecondLife or LindenLabs, the developers of SecondLife, in any way.) I am writing to enquire about licensing for streaming videos over the Internet within the context of SecondLife(SL - http://www.secondlife.com). Recently, SecondLife has released a version of their virtual reality(VR) software which allows its users to stream movies via QuickTime(QT) to one another into their virtual reality world. Technically, there is very little different between this and simply streaming to one another's web browser QuickTime plug-in or by running QT directly with an open Instant Message(IM) or Internet Relay Chat (IRC) session with other participants. In other words, the movies are hosted on servers external to SecondLife and do not proxy via SL. SecondLife simply provides a virtual reality context for viewing. However, the VR context does provide some interesting and almost life-like opportunities for both free (just for fun) group viewing and paid group / admission fee viewing. In both cases, each viewer would have 1 stream to their Internet connected computer which can be easily tracked and accounted for. Assuming the above, my questions are as follows: a) How much for a free (just for fun) admission umbrella license? I'm not yet sure how many people I will be streaming movies to. It could be a few dozen over the year, it could be more. b) What are the terms and arrangements which we need to make for streaming movies on a paid / admission basis? Other than MPLC which companies can I contact to get simple access to royalty fees for a large library of new and old/rental movies? Any information you can provide on this will be helpful! I really appreciate any time you take to fully answer these questions. Copyright infringement can often occur not because of the cost but because of the difficulty and frustration of trying to properly pay royalty fees. If you can provide me with useful information with regards to this I will share it with the SecondLife community and I believe it will go along way to ensuring that the appropriate royalty payments are made to the appropriate people. Again, please note, for the above that other than holding a user account with SecondLife I am not affiliated with SecondLife or LindenLabs, the developers of SecondLife, in any way. Sincerely, (my name) _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
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Jonathan Moe
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04-01-2005 04:34
Sounds better than what ive sent to a couple of people about this. Please post what they respond with, it would be nice to get it all clarified.
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blaze Spinnaker
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04-01-2005 04:40
Ok, did you say anything I didn't?
Post your replies too This is a group effort!Also, feel free to use anything in my post above when trying to track down this info. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Jonathan Moe
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04-01-2005 04:49
asked the same sort of things, you just worded it a lot better
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04-01-2005 08:43
oh this gives me an idea.... there should be hired at this very moment a Truman Linden logged in world 24/7 and streaming a live video of everything he does to a site where we can all watch it or stream back into sl and watch on our parcels. Oh and of course this person would not need to know about second life before this and would need to think that all the avatars he meets are really part of a highly detailed AI engine too. We could do this whole thing on a private sim too. And we could have sl residents pay to have him wear certain clothes with their logos or use certain items they make. Oh what great joy we could all get from that aye! And .......maybe they will let me have a walk on role *hopes*.Would this be called Uncovered: FIC ? _____________________
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Margaret Mfume
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04-01-2005 09:04
i'd hate to have the cart before the horse here... Lets see if we can actually get 15 people watching a stream reliably every time. After that we can start having movie events and go from there. At this point i would discourage anyone from building a movie theater in hopes of making money. Not every venture is about making $. Clarification of the legal obligations of streaming a movie to watch with sl friends would be helpful before looking into getting the horse or the cart. _____________________
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