Eien-
Price fixing is illegal.
But irrelevant in this case because even if you managed to get 99% of the content providers to buy into this model... that 1% that refuse will still flood the market with ever more popular freebies.
Not to mention all the freebies already in circulation.
Sure, band together to present a united voice to LL to bring more powerful attention to important problems that need to be addressed...
But expect enough people to change what they do to bring about the world you'd like to see? Good luck.
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Jopsy Pendragon
Perpetual Outsider
Join date: 15 Jan 2004
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05-28-2006 14:30
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
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05-28-2006 15:30
I renew the motion and appeal to all SL Builders and Content Providers to protect their interests and also the long run interests of SL Economy. 1. End Freebie Culture. Don't give anything away free. make it a principle and commit to it. Would you ever get a single sqm free? Then why are you doing that with your own talent and effort? Everytime you give something free, remeber you are hurting EVERY CONTENT CREATOR including yourself. Charge prices, and never charge less than L$10 for the things you used to give free. Why would someone buy your stuff if they can get it free. So be kind to yourself and other builders and CHARGE for everything. Lets compete in quality and standard. lets make better stuff to attract customer, but let not compete in prices that will hurt all of us while non-creative morons will make money. Remember: You deserve your "wage" for what you give. 2. Make a Consortium, a Content providers Group that would regularly advise minimum prices and reccommend estimated percentage increase in prices according to changes in L$ value. That group would look for ways to peotect the interests of builders and content providers in SL. And that group would also "negotiate" with LL to change certain policies which are hurting them. 3. Keep a goal in mind when revenue generated through content should match the one generated by buying and selling land. ...open to suggestions. We made suggestions..you just repeated your earlier drivel. You mean to say 'open to suggestions that don't vary from my opinion.' Since you say the same thing AGAIN, I will do the same. 1. I will make MORE freebies. 2. I will undercut other merchants because any lindens I make beyond upload costs are PROFIT. 3. You aren't guaranteed profit. deal with it. |
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Psyra Extraordinaire
Corra Nacunda Chieftain
Join date: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 1,533
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05-28-2006 23:48
I renew the motion and appeal to all SL Builders and Content Providers to protect their interests and also the long run interests of SL Economy. Again? Well, I guess I gotta repost too.... I didn't get where I am in SL today by being a money-grubbing miser. My L$2. ^^ 18 Avatars, 11 Freebies, Still Going Strong. PS: Congrats to the 289 people that got their limited edition free shoulder griffy. The contest closes 10 minutes after I post this message, so you got a few minutes left!!  My Breakdown: SL is increasingly becoming a gold farm for land barons but hostile to content providers. Some of that is builders own fault, and rest is of LLs. SL nor its users have been very hostile to me... *boggle* End Freebie Culture. Don't give anything away free. make it a principle and commit to it. Sorry, can't do. Freebies help, plain and simple. Your lack of argument to the contrary does not bolster your position... Would you ever get a single sqm free? Actually, yes, on many occassions I've been offered free land for vendors, if that is what you mean. Then why are you doing that with your own talent and effort? Because it's FUN. It's not about the money you know... Everytime you give something free, remeber you are hurting EVERY CONTENT CREATOR including yourself. How? Every time I give something free it triggers a surge of new customers. Charge prices, and never charge less than L$10 for the things you used to give free. Even though I spend perhaps L$150 uploading textures and sounds for a freebie, I don't mind if I don't get that back in my wallet... I'm trying to make people smile, not make them poor. I have a sneaky suspicion you're an alt of of of the people that keep starting the "Linden is falling, run for your lives" threads...... :> Why would someone buy your stuff if they can get it free. So be kind to yourself and other builders and CHARGE for everything. I don't sell what I give as freebies. I don't understand what you mean.... if I gave Item X as a freebie then why would I want to sell it too? That just womps, man. Make a Consortium, a Content providers Group that would regularly advise minimum prices and reccommend estimated percentage increase in prices according to changes in L$ value. That group would look for ways to peotect the interests of builders and content providers in SL. And that group would also "negotiate" with LL to change certain policies which are hurting them I doubt the Lindens would get involved with this. Most would probably say "Whoa, Nellie, I ain't touchin' this with a 10-metre cylinder." Keep a goal in mind when revenue generated through content should match the one generated by buying and selling land But wait... I'm not buying and selling land. What does this have to do with me?? Deja-Vu, eh? _____________________
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
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05-28-2006 23:51
Again? Well, I guess I gotta repost too.... I didn't get where I am in SL today by being a money-grubbing miser. My L$2. ^^ 18 Avatars, 11 Freebies, Still Going Strong. PS: Congrats to the 289 people that got their limited edition free shoulder griffy. The contest closes 10 minutes after I post this message, so you got a few minutes left!! My sl wife wasn't lucky enough to have her letter come up when we could get there.  But I got one! |
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Psyra Extraordinaire
Corra Nacunda Chieftain
Join date: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 1,533
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05-28-2006 23:53
My sl wife wasn't lucky enough to have her letter come up when we could get there. But I got one! What's her ingame name? The stork may send a prezzie. ^^ _____________________
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
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05-29-2006 04:27
Casey Hamsun
Second month of being married in game tonight, of note. Couldn't be happier. |
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Arashiko Kobayashi
小林嵐子
Join date: 30 Jun 2003
Posts: 60
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05-29-2006 22:27
Remember: You deserve your "wage" for what you give. No, you don't, any more than if you opened a store in RL. It's up to you to produce products that people want to buy--it's not up to your customers to pay you what you think you deserve. A "wage" is when someone else agrees to pay you for your time or effort. "Revenue" is when a customer decides to buy your product. The two are not the same at all. ...open to suggestions. Take an introductory economics course, or maybe an "introduction to business" course. Most small business in RL fail. This is not because theRL consumer marketplace is hostile to content providers, it's because most content providers don't know anything about running a business. SL is much, much more generous to sellers than RL is. |
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Barbarra Blair
Short Person
Join date: 18 Apr 2004
Posts: 588
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05-30-2006 09:50
People buy from the places that they visit. You've gotta give them a reason to visit.
Besides, anything that makes SL less fun is bad for SL. I'm changing my signature to Obvious Lady. _____________________
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Jublilation Banshee
Registered User
Join date: 25 Jan 2006
Posts: 3
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A brave, new Sim....
05-31-2006 09:09
I renew the motion and appeal to all SL Builders and Content Providers to protect their interests and also the long run interests of SL Economy. You bring nothing new to the discussion.. lets make better stuff to attract customer, but let not compete in prices that will hurt all of us while non-creative morons will make money. Not compete in pricing?!?! What planet are you from anyway? If I can build a better mousetrap and give it away, so what? Maybe the next guy will say mines sucks and build a better one himself worth a few bucks.. It's all about CHOICE.. Something I enjoy... Remember: You deserve your "wage" for what you give. Who are you to decide what my "wage" is? My "wage" is that I get to learn a new programming language at no cost, meet people I would never have the chance to otherwise, and make some of the best friends I have ever had. That to me is worth all the free scripts, textures and clothing that SL has and then some. Maybe I have a different view, but I play SL for the enjoyment of it, not to make a profit. If you want to spend your RL money, buy land and then try to sell stuff to help support it-your choice not mine. Oh, wait... I forgot, its my resposibility to make sure YOU can make money, how selfish of me to want to just have fun... I bet you're the kinda person that typed "rosebud;" while playing the SIMS to get an extra 100,000 until your "career" took off... viva-laissez-faire!!!! (I hope I spelt that right )Banshee, Jublilation Banshee... Protect "FREE" enterprise.. |
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YadNi Monde
Junkyard Owner
Join date: 30 Mar 2004
Posts: 189
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SL and the FREEBIES, by YadNi Monde (Mister Freebie Himself)
06-01-2006 11:43
On one hand, we have real life, where nothing is free, where we have constraints and where we do what we must much more than what we d want.
On the other hand we have SL, where you are for your pleasure, and possibly make money, without constraints, doing what you want much more than what you must. In that world of imagination where the boundaries are yourself, you need to learn how it works, and one of the ways is alone, dissecting and studiying what some great and generous persons designed for you to be able to do so. The more Freebies there are, and the better the quality of the Freebie is, is the best way to teach people how to do things that are even better. Better Freebies improve the level of quality of the whole community to higher standards. And if you are unable to do better than the freebie you found, do you really think it brings enough originality and skill to be bought ? I own the Junkyard since i arrived in SL, because i was dreaming of a library of stuff to learn from, i just made it, and i witnessed something you did not, the creative persons who came to the junkyard and chose to dissect and understand are now some Top Designers that make money for their own. In real world, you make money because you have to, here, let talented people have a way to learn tricks freely so they can eventually win money doing what they want. Oh, btw, I dont intend to leave SL, i have much fun here, and i love prims and i think they love me too, also i love my Junkyard and am proud of it and i will run it as long as i m here, sorry if that s bad news  Yours, Friendly, YadNi =) Have Fun or Leave !!! _____________________
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Jessica Elytis
Goddess
Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,783
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06-01-2006 11:46
*huggles YadNi*
Long live the Junkyard!!!! =^.^= ~Jessy _____________________
When your friend does somethign stupid:
Dude, you are a true and good friend, and I love you like the brother that my mom claims she never had, but you are in fact acting like a flaming douche on white toast with a side order of dickknob salsa..maybe you should reconsider this course of action and we go find something else to do. |
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Dhalia Unsung
confused not conditioned
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 297
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06-01-2006 12:00
PS: Congrats to the 289 people that got their limited edition free shoulder griffy. The contest closes 10 minutes after I post this message, so you got a few minutes left!! awwwe Psyra! I tried so hard to get one too! Never did I see a D come up *sighs* oh well *pouts just a little* but i am glad you did this, it was a wonderful way to up traffic and get your name out and make it a fun, interesting game.I just wish i had gotten one!  |
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Rasah Tigereye
"Buckaneer American"
Join date: 30 Nov 2003
Posts: 783
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06-01-2006 12:01
Yours, Friendly, YadNi =) Have Fun or Leave !!! Yay Yadni! Love your stuff and your builds. Still think you're one of the best, if at least not one of the most impressive, ones out there. In regards to freebies versus sellable content out there, I've always looked at it pretty much the same as your junkyard being the equivalent of sourceforge.net, and sellable content as privately made software. Both have great value |
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Dhalia Unsung
confused not conditioned
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 297
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06-01-2006 12:02
I bet you're the kinda person that typed "rosebud;" while playing the SIMS to get an extra 100,000 until your "career" took off... hell *I* did and ive been labeled a commie scum right here on these forums! Sims wasnt much fun when you really couldnt do anything. i haxor joo! |
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Dhalia Unsung
confused not conditioned
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 297
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06-01-2006 12:03
stuff and stuff! Just a thank you YadNi. I love your junkyard and thanks so much for all your contributions to sl society |
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Maklin Deckard
Disillusioned
Join date: 9 Apr 2005
Posts: 459
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06-01-2006 16:06
You fail us, and you fail LL alike. I am not here for YOU or for LL. All I OWE LL is my monthly premium and tier. You (and other content providers) I owe nothing, just like I owe WalMart nothing. |
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Maklin Deckard
Disillusioned
Join date: 9 Apr 2005
Posts: 459
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06-01-2006 16:24
The more Freebies there are, and the better the quality of the Freebie is, is the best way to teach people how to do things that are even better. Better Freebies improve the level of quality of the whole community to higher standards. And if you are unable to do better than the freebie you found, do you really think it brings enough originality and skill to be bought ? I own the Junkyard since i arrived in SL, because i was dreaming of a library of stuff to learn from, i just made it, and i witnessed something you did not, the creative persons who came to the junkyard and chose to dissect and understand are now some Top Designers that make money for their own. Thank you, sir, for the wonderful 'library' you have provided. Not to mention clothing the newb. I have always enjoyed your junkyard! |
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Maklin Deckard
Disillusioned
Join date: 9 Apr 2005
Posts: 459
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06-01-2006 16:25
I bet you're the kinda person that typed "rosebud;" while playing the SIMS to get an extra 100,000 until your "career" took off... hell *I* did and ive been labeled a commie scum right here on these forums! Sims wasnt much fun when you really couldnt do anything. i haxor joo! And its not a whole lot more fun when you can! |
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Wilhelm Neumann
Runs with Crayons
Join date: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 2,204
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06-01-2006 17:38
Again? Well, I guess I gotta repost too.... I didn't get where I am in SL today by being a money-grubbing miser. My L$2. ^^ 18 Avatars, 11 Freebies, Still Going Strong. PS: Congrats to the 289 people that got their limited edition free shoulder griffy. The contest closes 10 minutes after I post this message, so you got a few minutes left!! My Breakdown: SL nor its users have been very hostile to me... *boggle* Sorry, can't do. Freebies help, plain and simple. Your lack of argument to the contrary does not bolster your position... Actually, yes, on many occassions I've been offered free land for vendors, if that is what you mean. Because it's FUN. It's not about the money you know... How? Every time I give something free it triggers a surge of new customers. Even though I spend perhaps L$150 uploading textures and sounds for a freebie, I don't mind if I don't get that back in my wallet... I'm trying to make people smile, not make them poor. I have a sneaky suspicion you're an alt of of of the people that keep starting the "Linden is falling, run for your lives" threads...... :> I don't sell what I give as freebies. I don't understand what you mean.... if I gave Item X as a freebie then why would I want to sell it too? That just womps, man. I doubt the Lindens would get involved with this. Most would probably say "Whoa, Nellie, I ain't touchin' this with a 10-metre cylinder." But wait... I'm not buying and selling land. What does this have to do with me?? Deja-Vu, eh? hah thanks for this post i was beginning to think everyone around here was well not what i signed up to play the game for you made me smile and realize that the fanatics screaming about the lindex are just that and that Linden labs will do as i suspect and work in the interest of the game and not a handful of lindex junkies ... on that note i met lasivian the other day (i can never spell that name) who offered me as she put it "4000 sq meters of dirt" in her basement to build a garden in (i was building a self contained guarden at the time in a sandbox area) |
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Treachen Under
Registered User
Join date: 8 Feb 2005
Posts: 1
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Atlas Shrugged
06-01-2006 19:53
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged
ISBN 0451191145 Anyone interested in the difference between Economics and Business and who has time for 1600+pages a fantastic book despite its Tomelike hugeness |
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Eien Stein
Registered User
Join date: 24 Apr 2006
Posts: 10
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06-04-2006 17:13
Have Fun or Leave !!! Thanks for the advice, however, that was rude. You may have different opinion and a bigger junkyard, but that doesn't give you right to tell others that they should either agree with you or leave their second life. You sound like Republican! how absurd would it sound if I say to all builders that : "Do serious building with business in mind or leave!"? To artists, who came with an idea different to yours, your above words sound equally absurd. SL is a world, and everybody has different idea how it should be, and everybody on these forums can give vent to their thoughts and opinions, agree, disagree....but, to tell others to agree with you or leave is just way across the line. I am new, and unknown, ... as once you were. |
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Jopsy Pendragon
Perpetual Outsider
Join date: 15 Jan 2004
Posts: 1,906
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06-05-2006 08:33
Thanks for the advice, however, that was rude. You may have different opinion and a bigger junkyard, but that doesn't give you right to tell others that they should either agree with you or leave their second life. You sound like Republican! I suspect YadNi meant it more in the spirit of "Enjoy what you do in SecondLife or find something or somewhere else that brings you joy." |
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Psyra Extraordinaire
Corra Nacunda Chieftain
Join date: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 1,533
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06-05-2006 08:56
I suspect YadNi meant it more in the spirit of "Enjoy what you do in SecondLife or find something or somewhere else that brings you joy." Exactly. We're not in SecondCareer or SecondJob. _____________________
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Rasah Tigereye
"Buckaneer American"
Join date: 30 Nov 2003
Posts: 783
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06-05-2006 08:59
Thanks for the advice, however, that was rude. You may have different opinion and a bigger junkyard, but that doesn't give you right to tell others that they should either agree with you or leave their second life. You sound like Republican! Dude, he's French. I don't think they have such a thing there. AND he gives out stuff for free. A LOT of stuff. So I don't think he's anything close to a republican. |