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Dhalia Unsung
confused not conditioned
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 297
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05-24-2006 09:09
I didn't get where I am in SL today by being a money-grubbing miser. My L$2. ^^ 18 Avatars, 11 Freebies, Still Going Strong. PS: Don't forget to get your limited edition free shoulder griffy.  thats so cute Psyra! I cant wait for sl to get up so i can go try my hand at the chair. Its people like you that make SL a fun game that many people enjoy. Thanks! |
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Phedre Aquitaine
I am the zombie queen
Join date: 26 Jan 2006
Posts: 1,157
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05-24-2006 09:12
Why would someone buy your stuff if they can get it free. So be kind to yourself and other builders and CHARGE for everything. No. I tend to buy more from people who offer freebies than from people who don't. Generosity is not a character flaw; unrestrained greed is. 2. Make a Consortium, a Content providers Group that would regularly advise minimum prices and reccommend estimated percentage increase in prices according to changes in L$ value. That group would look for ways to peotect the interests of builders and content providers in SL. And that group would also "negotiate" with LL to change certain policies which are hurting them. To be blunt, I'm not going to accede to the demands of a group of self-appointed blowhards anymore than I'm going to accede to the faux authority of some jumped-up pseudopoliceman; anyone who expects such will get a rude awakening. _____________________
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Candide LeMay
Registered User
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 538
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05-24-2006 09:13
Someone protect me already!
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"If Mel Gibson and other cyberspace writers are right, one day the entire internet will be like Second Life." -- geldonyetich
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Eternalynn Calliope
Owner/Operator of UFonly
Join date: 30 Mar 2005
Posts: 140
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05-24-2006 09:13
PS: Don't forget to get your limited edition free shoulder griffy. Way to plug Psyra  Anyone else notice that Eien's only three posts are in this thread? Hmm. _____________________
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PetGirl Bergman
Fellow Creature:-)
Join date: 16 Feb 2005
Posts: 2,414
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05-24-2006 09:13
I have special made EXAKT furniture at the GNUbie store - why?
GNUbie store are full of for free QUALITY things.. Mine are 1L as I want to know how many are ”given away”. I feel I want to share / give something back to the community - I have had and have a lot of fun.. meet lots of nice people (and a few bastards). I want others to - to have fun and have a nice time.. to have a chance to furniture the first apartment/house with somethings nice.. and not at once give out al they have.. My ”set” are also dif ones - from the one where you get al parts separate to build the furniture on the pic at the box by your own - to the ”dont sweat - be lazy al are ready” one...Some will learn something - maybe.-)) Some un-textured and un-coloured.. and some that are ready.. And yes I have putted a LM to my EXAKT store in the boxes.. as I of course a day in the future want them al to make a visit and maybe buy one or two things.. maybe.. /Tina _____________________
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Dhalia Unsung
confused not conditioned
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 297
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05-24-2006 09:18
I have special made EXAKT furniture at the GNUbie store - why? GNUbie store are full of for free QUALITY things.. Mine are 1L as I want to know how many are ”given away”. /Tina this is an excellent example, proving not all freebies are junk. Its disturbing to hear people say that. I have an amazing amount of freebies that are just awesome... some better than objects that cost money *shrug* If its a sense of entitlement to want to share with others and not worry about my bottom line... then label me entitled. |
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Dhalia Unsung
confused not conditioned
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 297
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05-24-2006 09:24
I am curious though OP... what do you (or should I say your alt?) provide and create in SL? Where are you feeling such animosity? Its a pity anyone should feel put down upon for coming to SL and creating things.
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LupineFox Paz
Registered User
Join date: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 60
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Freebees are fun!
05-24-2006 09:25
I love how I can meet most my basic needs with freebees. They are critical to the well being of SL IMHO. If you want to sell something that's free then make it so much better than the free version that people "HAVE TO HAVE IT"! Or find a niche that's poorly served that interestes you.
A lot of people making excellent content give their older version of products for free. This is very kewl and I'll bet it gets them a lot of business for the improved replacement product. |
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Kokoro Fasching
Pixie Dust and Sugar
Join date: 23 Dec 2005
Posts: 949
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05-24-2006 09:41
PS: Don't forget to get your limited edition free shoulder griffy. Sorry, can't do. Freebies help, plain and simple. Your lack of argument to the contrary does not bolster your position... How? Every time I give something free it triggers a surge of new customers. Exactly.. the last couple of days I have spent alot of time at Psyra's shop trying to get the chair to K - we have filled the sim on several occasions getting the needed letters in. Usually with people who never knew it was there, and went on to look at what else was available. For getting Psyra's work out in front of the people this has been a huge success! I also met alot of new people, and made new friends, and found new places to look at. There will always be those people who won't buy anything.. they want free. You can't pass a law that says they have to come in world and buy - just won't work. (No matter what the RIAA thinks *grins*) |
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Cheyenne Marquez
Registered User
Join date: 19 Sep 2005
Posts: 940
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05-24-2006 09:53
Im sure you have me listed under "socialists and freebie mentality" ... but i'd love to hear your stance on this, as i always avidly read what you write whether i agree or not. Whats the harm in offering freebies? Hi Dhalia, Personally, though I understand the OP's concern, I believe that not offering freebies is a bit extreme. I don't have a problem with people offering freebies, nor do I see any harm in offering them. Especially in light of the fact that earning Linden to buy the things we want can be quite cumbersome for many of us, especially our new residents. More importantly, being an ardent believer in a free market economy and all of the good that comes from it, I am naturally resistant toward any attempts to control, withhold, suppress, or otherwise conspire for the sole benefit of generating profit. In a free market economy items of quality will, for the most part, naturally rise to the top and will be worth paying a price for, irrespective of the many alternative freebies. So in closing, if one is confident about the quality of their product, then they should not be threatened by the myriad of in-world freebies. The operative word here is quality of content. If you offer it, your product will speak for it self and all the freebies in the world will not replace it, or our desire to want it. Ultimately, we will strive to acquire it so long as its within our financial limits. |
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Fade Languish
I just build stuff...
Join date: 20 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,760
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05-24-2006 09:59
Freebies are a good thing. They can get your name out there. They can lead people to buy your other products. People can learn from them. They help retain new residents, giving them some options for fun and providing them with some useful things to get by on until they learn enough about SL to make wise purchasing decisions and decide at what level they want to buy in at. Retaining new residents is very important for content creators. It allows people to create purely for the joy of making something that people like and use, which is a reward in and of itself. There's probably loads of other reasons.
Generally, I find that most people who make things like to give to the community in one form or another, to put back some of what they may earn, in order to make SL a nicer place for all to be. Destroy the freebie culture, and SL would be diminished as a community, and as an attractive way for people to spend their time and money. You'd only be hurting yourself in the long run. _____________________
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Dhalia Unsung
confused not conditioned
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 297
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05-24-2006 10:08
So in closing, if one is confident about the quality of their product, then they should not be threatened by the myriad of in-world freebies. The operative word here is quality of content. If you offer it, your product will speak for it self and all the freebies in the world will not replace it, or our desire to want it. Ultimately, we will strive to acquire it so long as its within our financial limits. *chokes on her coffee* Oh God, we agreed on something! Does this mean the world is ending soon? >.> thanks for the response, I couldnt tell from all the laughter whether you agreed or not |
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Star Sleestak
Registered User
Join date: 3 Feb 2006
Posts: 228
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Since Psyche put in a plug....
05-24-2006 10:23
Those of you with gift balls that give away prizes, please IM me in world when we get back on. I'm giving away a manicure/pedicure set in deep red, transfer only. It's boxed, but the box will rez on the right hand not on the head if you click "wear". It comes with landmark to my stall.
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Cheyenne Marquez
Registered User
Join date: 19 Sep 2005
Posts: 940
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05-24-2006 10:27
thanks for the response, I couldnt tell from all the laughter whether you agreed or not lol, I was just laughing because I envisioned the heated responses that the OP would receive from some as a result of his suggestion. |
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Arashiko Kobayashi
小林嵐子
Join date: 30 Jun 2003
Posts: 60
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05-24-2006 10:36
SL is increasingly becoming a gold farm for land barons but hostile to content providers. Some of that is builders own fault, and rest is of LLs. SL is in no way hostile to content providers. It's just harder than it used to be to make some business models work--welcome to the business world. If consumers don't do what you want them to, that is not the consumers' fault. |
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Fade Languish
I just build stuff...
Join date: 20 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,760
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05-24-2006 10:42
SL is in no way hostile to content providers. And it has very low entry costs. _____________________
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Oasis Perun
Registered User
Join date: 2 Oct 2005
Posts: 128
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05-24-2006 10:43
1. End Freebie Culture. Don't give anything away free. make it a principle and commit to it. Would you ever get a single sqm free? I have actually "won" multiple 1024M lots by attending sims openings and business parties in game. but to counter free sqm vs. Freebies.. you cant copy sqm last i checked there for you cant really compare the real estate market with user created content. Freebies are not the end all of the economy in SL. I see them more as a standard of quality bar that content creators should base their own products on. _____________________
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Fade Languish
I just build stuff...
Join date: 20 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,760
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05-24-2006 10:52
Freebies are not the end all of the economy in SL. I see them more as a standard of quality bar that content creators should base their own products on. This is an important point. Freebies encourage innovation, they force creators to raise the bar in order to compete. _____________________
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Musicteacher Rampal
Registered User
Join date: 20 Feb 2004
Posts: 824
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05-24-2006 11:20
No, i want to have fun, i just agree with eien's point in principle. Because i know if I had to buy everything, then I d have bought L$ and situation would be better for everyone who are screaming in these posts....lol... I m having fun, but what making me feel bad is that I am having fun on the expense of others. I think freebies are part of the development of someone in SL. When I was new I went to every mall opening to scoop up all of the free texture bundles, free clothing bundles, etc...but I havn't done that in a while because my own creations have developed beyond what free textures can provide, and my clothing "requirements" are more than free clothing bundles provide and I have plenty of $L saved up. I don't see that it is at the expense of others. They are taking a calculated risk if they invest their own $$ into SL. SL should not change to MAKE people successful, they need to make themselves successful based on what is available to them. And if the times change, then their business model needs to change with it. I agree with whatever linen said that people should raise their prices to match the change in the $L. It may be inflation, but there is inflation in RL, and once in-world prices get so high, the demand for $L will get higher and then we will see a bit of deflation due to the increase in demand. |
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Musicteacher Rampal
Registered User
Join date: 20 Feb 2004
Posts: 824
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05-24-2006 11:24
Charity begins at home. your idea of "generosity" is hurting people , can you see that? This kind of generosity is suicide for builders. No I can't see it because people in SL are only hurt as much as THEY allow themselves to be. I pay into the game only what I can afford. If I make a little profit off it, great, but nothing hurts me in game because I know I have the $US for my SL needs. Anyone taking a bigger risk than that is doing it to themselves! Also I'd appreciate a bit less condescension "darling". |
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Dmitri Polonsky
Registered User
Join date: 26 Aug 2005
Posts: 562
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05-24-2006 11:47
Im sure you have me listed under "socialists and freebie mentality" ... but i'd love to hear your stance on this, as i always avidly read what you write whether i agree or not. Whats the harm in offering freebies? (BTW, I wasnt enticed her under a free membership ... I used to have a premium account but rl circumstances forced me not to renew) The response to that could take a while Dahlia, as before she can respond she has to confer with the other money mongers who DON"T provide content but strictly deal in L speculation to make sure that whatever is said is geared towards creating a panic in SL. As far as people charging for freebies, we already have people in SL who's only content they provide is thier small amount of time running around gatherring fdree stuff to sell to unsuspecting newbs |
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
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05-24-2006 14:35
SL is increasingly becoming a gold farm for land barons but hostile to content providers. Some of that is builders own fault, and rest is of LLs. I therefore have a few recommendations to all SL Builders and Content Providers to protect their interests and also the long run interests of SL Economy. 1. End Freebie Culture. Don't give anything away free. make it a principle and commit to it. Would you ever get a single sqm free? Then why are you doing that with your own talent and effort? Everytime you give something free, remeber you are hurting EVERY CONTENT CREATOR including yourself. Charge prices, and never charge less than L$10 for the things you used to give free. Why would someone buy your stuff if they can get it free. So be kind to yourself and other builders and CHARGE for everything. 2. Make a Consortium, a Content providers Group that would regularly advise minimum prices and reccommend estimated percentage increase in prices according to changes in L$ value. That group would look for ways to peotect the interests of builders and content providers in SL. And that group would also "negotiate" with LL to change certain policies which are hurting them. 3. Keep a goal in mind when revenue generated through content should match the one generated by buying and selling land. ...open to suggestions. 1. I will make MORE freebies. 2. I will undercut other merchants because any lindens I make beyond upload costs are PROFIT. 3. You aren't guaranteed profit. deal with it. |
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Cheyenne Marquez
Registered User
Join date: 19 Sep 2005
Posts: 940
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05-24-2006 14:37
The response to that could take a while Dahlia, as before she can respond she has to confer with the other money mongers who DON"T provide content but strictly deal in L speculation to make sure that whatever is said is geared towards creating a panic in SL. As far as people charging for freebies, we already have people in SL who's only content they provide is thier small amount of time running around gatherring fdree stuff to sell to unsuspecting newbs You may want to take a glance at post #35. ...and I wont hold my breath waiting for an apology. |
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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
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05-24-2006 14:41
This is an important point. Freebies encourage innovation, they force creators to raise the bar in order to compete. Very true. For example, I'm going to release a basic link-message machinegun as a freebie soon (as soon as I've commented it properly). Technology has moved on from Yadni's Free Weapons Box. I see commercial weapons being sold with the most primitive of scripts - let's at least increase the standard. |
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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
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05-24-2006 14:43
1. I will make MORE freebies. 2. I will undercut other merchants because any lindens I make beyond upload costs are PROFIT. 3. You aren't guaranteed profit. deal with it. You have my complete backing, Comrade Pierterson Seriously though, I very much agree. |