Control your own City without Lindens
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
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08-04-2006 19:10
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Maximillion Grant
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08-04-2006 21:22
From: Maxus Arten Really if you were listening i said that a lot of people i know feel this way and i decide to post there feelings thats all got a problem sue me lol
And Linden sometimes do abuse there power, but you are new so i dont expect you too know what I'm talking about.
I'm not trying to say the Lindens are bad , but stucking up wont get you anywhere. I know you are telling me not to play, but who are you what can you do to me????????? I know the Lindens own the severs I play on, but you forget with the players to pay they dont get paid at all(Next time use your brain) You have yet to mention any specific abuse of power you think LL have commited. Saying a lot of people feel that way isn't an answer. What "laws" do you think are unfair?
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Green Panther
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Join date: 27 Apr 2005
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I think it is quite a good idea
08-05-2006 06:10
I think it could actually quite work well. It would cater to all sorts of groups. First, I think a "total anarchy" SL would be quite fine. If you just want to offload, tell people to f-off, kill them, you can't do that in SL. You need Grand Theft Auto, and that isn't multiplayer. Apart from teenage kids, this appeals to a lot of people who are just coming home from a shitty day at the office and want to be a jerk in a controlled enviroment.
That aside, you could appeal to certain types of communities. Religous communities for example, really need their own world. If you are an evangelical Christian for example, you obviously don't believe in the Lindens utopian code of mutual respect and tolerance.
What about terrorists? A Hezbollah world for example. Wouldn't that be fun. Or neo-nazis. Faced with the prospect of a truly white Aryan world they'd probably give up on their stupid white supremacist vision forever when they reallize how colossally tedious the actual reality is.
I'd like to set up a Las Vegas SL-the Lindens would probably balk at that.
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
Join date: 14 Mar 2005
Posts: 5,250
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08-05-2006 08:43
From: Green Panther I'd like to set up a Las Vegas SL-the Lindens would probably balk at that. Lindens balk at Las Vegas? You really think so? Been to Vegas recently? - bland, factory-like shoppertainment hotels that live off slot machines - a target audience of the meek middle aged, and their extended families - laws against anything wild, more than the average tourist wants anyway Kinda sounds like a lot of places in Second Life right now, honestly.
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Circe Timtam
has lost her mittens
Join date: 22 Mar 2006
Posts: 158
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08-05-2006 08:47
From: Finning Widget Just to take to task that one particular statement -
When Congress passes laws that are tailored to the situation of one specific person - Terry Schiavo - YES, they are abusing their power and ignoring the oath of their office.
When they pass laws that are re-statements and clarifications of three other laws, YES.
When they pass laws that authorise ridiculous pay raises and pensions, YES.
When they pass laws appropriating millions for bridges that will last twenty years and see less traffic in that time than the main street of the only /town/ on the other side of the bridge? YES.
When they pass laws to justify their continued existence in a legal system that has so many codifications, expressions, delineations, refinements of law that it takes professional legal corporations to provide full legal services and not merely a single barrister? YES.
When they pass laws that make it impossible for small family-owned businesses to rebuild with their insurance money from disasters? YES.
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Aside from that - anyone who wants to run their own grid - I POINT and LAUGH at you. You have millions of dollars to throw away on a foolish capade wherein you will: Be unable to get VC financing because you have no way to properly differentiate your product to make it compellingly attractive to consumers; More than likely will be inviting lawsuits for creating an attractive nuisance if you do manage to differentiate sufficiently; Will have a massive user revolt to deal with when they finally figure out that your ToS are even more unfair than LL's and you're even more unbudging in your enforcement; Have to recruit, manage, and employ the second-best staff available (the best are, by definition, already working for LL) or have to recruit the best away; Sign three-year data/processing center leases to have your systems housed offsite and administered by outsourced IT staff OR you can deal with the inevitable National Security letters / FBI/NSA/CIA/Bush Administration Justice Department warrantless raids /yourself/ by hosting the equipment in your /own/ premises - I'm certain your life will be so much /better/ once you're living with a gag order/ NS letter which, by definition, allows them to kidnap you and fly you to another country to torture you if they don't like the way you comply with the gag order/NS letter - AND ADMINISTER THE ONLY DEATH PENALTY IN THE CONSTITUTION without a public court review, without access to a lawyer - /so stress free/. /Every/ professional IT staffer in the USA has to live under this specter, thank you so much Bush. DMCA takedowns! DMCA Counter-Take-Downs! Appearing in court case after court case as a party to trademark/copyright infringement criminal / civil cases! I'm sorry, did you plan to actually spend time with friends and family?
But in the end, you get to have personalised promotional pens. have i told you that i adore you, Finnich?
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Lordfly Digeridoo
Prim Orchestrator
Join date: 21 Jul 2003
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08-05-2006 14:36
This thread makes my face hurt.
The Lindens aren't going to ruin your city.
If you want to play SimCity in SL, buy a sim. They currently run about 200 bucks a month plus a 1300 startup fee.
Enjoy.
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Yo Brewster
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Join date: 1 Feb 2006
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Your Own SL World - hey why not?
08-05-2006 15:22
Operating your own SL World with your own laws, your own members, your own rules, and hey - why not - your own currency? I'm not sure why not? Needless to say you would have to pay a monthly fee to LL to make this possible but by itself I believe this is a great idea. This idea isn't really that new either. Active Worlds, a game similar to Second Life (but not as good of course), allows you to run your own game completely independent from the makers of the game. That's basically how Outer Worlds started. Anyway - I'm pretty sure LL will sooner or later do the same thing ... it seems like a logic step to me...
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Valen Leinhardt
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Join date: 14 Jul 2006
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08-05-2006 16:15
From: Maxus Arten Really if you were listening i said that a lot of people i know feel this way and i decide to post there feelings thats all got a problem sue me lol
And Linden sometimes do abuse there power, but you are new so i dont expect you too know what I'm talking about.
I'm not trying to say the Lindens are bad , but stucking up wont get you anywhere. I know you are telling me not to play, but who are you what can you do to me????????? I know the Lindens own the severs I play on, but you forget with the players to pay they dont get paid at all(Next time use your brain) Who says I'm new? You pay rent to your landlord each month. Does that mean you should be able to do anything you want on their property? No. You abide by a lease, which is almost like a Terms of Service, and sometimes landlords can do thing that you may not like to improve the quality of the community as a whole. You can't just tell them that you don't want them telling you what to do in your house just because you pay for it. You can't have bonfires in your bathtub, or paint the walls black and yellow or tear up your carpet. The Lindens have the same concept, in their case, the Terms of Service. There are just certain things they're gonna say no to. If you don't like your apartment, you move out. If you don't like the way the Lindens run their simulators, don't use them. It's that easy.  And try not to be so petty by telling me to "use my brain." To imply that I am stupid because my opinion differs from yours is not very kind. If you actually read the Terms of Service, a lot of it has to do with protection of Intellectual Property rights, Community-minded behaviour and other such things. They won't just give up all of that to let you play in your own little world. If they did, it would become perfectly acceptable to buy a sim and then use it to steal people's stuff without repercussion.
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Mickey McLuhan
She of the SwissArmy Tail
Join date: 22 Aug 2005
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08-05-2006 16:33
From: someone And Linden sometimes do abuse there power, but you are new so i dont expect you too know what I'm talking about. This time, I'll ask, as you don't seem to be listening to anyone else. Can you please cite examples of this abuse of power?
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Jezebella Desmoulins
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Join date: 4 Nov 2005
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08-05-2006 17:04
I'd like to print my own money in RL but the Secret Service abuses their power.
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Yo Brewster
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Join date: 1 Feb 2006
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LL abuse their power?
08-05-2006 18:05
There really is no such thing as Linden Lab abusing their power. Why not? Because it's their game and therefore their rules. You know what I personally like about Linden Lab? I can voice my opinion and often times they listen. Lol - try to do that with EA (and yes I've tried it)! I don't agree with everthing LL does but then again it's impossible for them to keep everybody happy. To me having your own Second Life World is not about trying to keep LL away from you --- it's more about running your own business. This would allow me to advertise my own version of Second Life the way I think it should be advertised, it would allow me to run a succesful affiliate program, it would allow me to create my own member base, my own monthly fees, my own currency, and so on. Lol - ok needless to say this all sounds very good but I wouldn't have the money to make this possible of course! hehe - dream on Yo!
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ReserveBank Division
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Join date: 16 Jan 2006
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08-05-2006 19:47
From: Jezebella Desmoulins I'd like to print my own money in RL but the Secret Service abuses their power. In real life, the United States Government abuses its power by printing fiat money instead of using Gold or Gold Backed Money. Even Alan Greenspan in an article titled, Gold and Economic Freedom, said, "In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation." The amount of Gold that comes out of the ground is only about 1% per year. In total, there is about 145,000 tonnes in the entire world above ground. The ability to create new paper money out of thin air would vanish. Nearly ending inflation as we know it. The price of a house today would remain nearly unchanged 20 years from now. A radical concept if you try to say that about the price of homes in 1986 vs. 2006. We need to get back on the Gold Standard. We are printing ourselves into worthlessness. There is one major downside, and that is the Trade Deficit. If the US was on the Gold Standard overnight and out imports exceeded our exports, guess what ends up in the hands of foreigners to make up the difference? Our Gold. Or at least a claim on our Gold. Then you gotta wonder, what happens when we export all our Gold for stuff from China like Plasma TVs and Nikes? Our garages will be full of junk and our bank accounts empty. We have to stop the blood loss. The US Dollar is dying. Just wait until we get to the point that the Dollar is so depressed that Commodities stop being trading in Dollars and start being traded in Euros or Yen. Then demand for the Dollar will tank and all those foreigners currently holding all that paper (thanks to our trade imbalance) will dump it before it turns into toliet paper...
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rain Bradley
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Join date: 29 May 2006
Posts: 117
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08-07-2006 04:31
From: Maxus Arten Is this possible for you to be the governor of your own city without Lindens? I mean just you no Lindens no getting bannished for no reason. Just you laws....do you want this if so use detail and explain........ omg no ...I delete things just because the word is in my pie menu..I would be lethal in a city...plus there be no casinos or griefing or oh hell thats enough to have me living alone in my own city.. mayoress of my own domain ... rain 
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rain Bradley
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08-07-2006 04:32
From: Marcus Moreau I hear that some people already do have unlimited power without worry of the Lindens. ZOMG! *gasp*
MM Yes Marcus...they are called griefers.....LOL rain
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loki Cramer
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Join date: 19 Apr 2006
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furcaida?
08-08-2006 07:29
It would seem to me you have been playing to much furcadia, lol but it would be kinda cool
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Cusprider Nephilim
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Join date: 2 Feb 2006
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Actually, you can.
08-08-2006 09:46
From: Jezebella Desmoulins I'd like to print my own money in RL but the Secret Service abuses their power. What you can't do is print notes which take the place of Federal Reserve "Legal Tender". NORFED prints Gold and Silver backed notes which are being used in barter legally. Another system which comes to mind is eGold. No reason you could not do the same thing.
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Finning Widget
No Ravens in my Mailbox
Join date: 27 Feb 2006
Posts: 591
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08-08-2006 10:15
From: ReserveBank Division In real life, the United States Government abuses its power by printing fiat money instead of using Gold or Gold Backed Money. Even Alan Greenspan in an article titled, Gold and Economic Freedom, said, "In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation."
The amount of Gold that comes out of the ground is only about 1% per year. In total, there is about 145,000 tonnes in the entire world above ground. The ability to create new paper money out of thin air would vanish. Nearly ending inflation as we know it. The price of a house today would remain nearly unchanged 20 years from now. A radical concept if you try to say that about the price of homes in 1986 vs. 2006.
We need to get back on the Gold Standard. We are printing ourselves into worthlessness. There is one major downside, and that is the Trade Deficit. If the US was on the Gold Standard overnight and out imports exceeded our exports, guess what ends up in the hands of foreigners to make up the difference? Our Gold. Or at least a claim on our Gold. Then you gotta wonder, what happens when we export all our Gold for stuff from China like Plasma TVs and Nikes? Our garages will be full of junk and our bank accounts empty.
We have to stop the blood loss. The US Dollar is dying. Just wait until we get to the point that the Dollar is so depressed that Commodities stop being trading in Dollars and start being traded in Euros or Yen. Then demand for the Dollar will tank and all those foreigners currently holding all that paper (thanks to our trade imbalance) will dump it before it turns into toliet paper... yyyyyyeaaaahhhhhhhh Someone seriously needs a macroeconomics 101 course. There's a reason the US economy isn't backed by gold - gold is a rather cheap and plentiful mineral with a myriad of industrial uses and if it were as valuable as you think it ought to be, it could be extracted from seawater at less than market value - and if it were as widespread a backer as you think it ought to be, it would be nearly valueless. Not to mention that at the values you want, rubbing up against a gold brick is like pocketing a quarter. We have this other - much more valuable - commodity, called Oil. Our currency isn't backed by it, however. We have yet another much more valuable commodity - it's called LABOUR. Labour is what our currency is based on, and that's enabled by open and transparent accounting practices. If we could actually /trust/ corporations to keep the figures straight, our economy wouldn't flutter. We are exporting quite a bit of our labour to places where there are no transparent and open accounting practices, where people are paid $50 every 1.5/1.8 man-months - or less - to make anything from flat panel TV's to two-hundred-dollar shoes that no-one needs*. That's why our economy is tanking. For the love of all that is right in this world, please stop drivelling about gold backing and modern macroeconomics. You're confusing people and distracting them from the real issues. *I want to take a baseball bat into every Dollar General and Wal-Mart and Target and K-Mart in the country and destroy every resin lawn ornament frog I see that no-one but batty old cat ladies thinks are necessary.
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ReserveBank Division
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Join date: 16 Jan 2006
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08-08-2006 13:13
From: Finning Widget yyyyyyeaaaahhhhhhhh
Someone seriously needs a macroeconomics 101 course. There's a reason the US economy isn't backed by gold - gold is a rather cheap and plentiful mineral with a myriad of industrial uses and if it were as valuable as you think it ought to be, it could be extracted from seawater at less than market value - and if it were as widespread a backer as you think it ought to be, it would be nearly valueless. Not to mention that at the values you want, rubbing up against a gold brick is like pocketing a quarter.
We have this other - much more valuable - commodity, called Oil. Our currency isn't backed by it, however. We have yet another much more valuable commodity - it's called LABOUR. Labour is what our currency is based on, and that's enabled by open and transparent accounting practices. If we could actually /trust/ corporations to keep the figures straight, our economy wouldn't flutter. We are exporting quite a bit of our labour to places where there are no transparent and open accounting practices, where people are paid $50 every 1.5/1.8 man-months - or less - to make anything from flat panel TV's to two-hundred-dollar shoes that no-one needs*.
That's why our economy is tanking.
For the love of all that is right in this world, please stop drivelling about gold backing and modern macroeconomics. You're confusing people and distracting them from the real issues.
*I want to take a baseball bat into every Dollar General and Wal-Mart and Target and K-Mart in the country and destroy every resin lawn ornament frog I see that no-one but batty old cat ladies thinks are necessary. I suggest you sign up for that Macroeconomics 101 course, you need it. What you fail to understand is that the US Dollar is backed up by nothing more than faith. Which is fine, nothing wrong with that. The problem is that the Government has unrestricted reign to print money. Making money supply inflation more and more real. Whereas, if the US Dollar was backed up by Gold, the government couldn't print more money than what Gold it held in reserve. Taking the ability to create "money" out of the hands of the government. When you get a loan from the bank, some of it comes from the banks own depositors. But more of it comes from the bank getting a loan from the Federal Reserve at the prime rate of 5.25% and loaning it to you for something higher than 5.25%. They take the difference as profit. But where does the Federal Reserve get its $$$$? It creates it from thin air. The M0 Money Supply (The Actual Paper you stuff in your Wallet) actually comes from the US Bureau of Engraving and Printing that the Fed purchases and sells to banks at the going prime rate. But that only makes up a fraction of the money supply. Since money in the 21st century comes from credit cards, debt cards, etc, you don't really carry around paper money any more. Its all electronic. But regardless, eMoney can be cashed in for Paper money. But who cares, all that is done for ease of buying and selling. What I'm getting at is that Uncle Sam has ZERO restrictions on printing new money. Just like Linden Labs prints new money at the stroke of a key. Over time, the money supply continues to grow and grow, creating Inflation. What US$1.00 could buy you in 1950 has been reduced by 88% in 2006. The Fed is wiping out your wealth through unrestricted monetary creation. But if Gold was used as money, the government couldn't print jack squat. Allowing you to keep the wealth you've created. Not having to worry about it being vaporized by inflation. FYI: Inflation for 2006 is running at 3.8%.. So stuffed a dollar bill in your mattress in on Jan 1st, 2006, its now worth $0.96/cents. Gold is Inflation Proof... Well 99% inflation proof. Since World Gold Supply increases at about 1% per year.  Second Life: L$760,459,371 United States: US$10-11/Trillion Crank out that paper baby... I need more wallpaper and toilet paper
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ReserveBank Division
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08-08-2006 13:43
From: Cusprider Nephilim What you can't do is print notes which take the place of Federal Reserve "Legal Tender".
NORFED prints Gold and Silver backed notes which are being used in barter legally. Another system which comes to mind is eGold. No reason you could not do the same thing. eGold, GoldMoney, eBullion, all good payment distribution platforms.
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