Control your own City without Lindens

Is this possible for you to be the governor of your own city without Lindens? I mean just you no Lindens no getting bannished for no reason. Just you laws....do you want this if so use detail and explain........

What is it if I may ask that you want to do that the freedoms within SL don't currently allow?

I think the point is to be able to use the software to operate a continent under your own TOS (covenant?) without being under the Linden TOS.

No, it's not possible, and it won't happen.

It's their servers, their TOS, and ultimately, their liability under the State of California law if they knowingly enable you to commit unlawful acts.

Perhaps if the software is open-sourced for anyone to use on any computer, you may then have your own server at your own location, free from their requirements.

Even my own currency? Now you are talking... My Currency would become the equivalent of the Swiss Franc of SL... Backed by Gold with near zero inflation.

Linden Labs needs to start selling Wholesale Products of SL...
Buy your own world for $1000/mo. You get all the tools and features of SL, but you control everything, not Linden Labs. But it must have visibility into SL and allow SLers to transit from World to World. Otherwise, forget it.

OK first of all I'm just looking to see what people think. And person brought this up before to me, so the thought i would be good to see what others think.

Well what i mean by "without Lindens" is....thats..like have your own city without Lindens abusing there power and making you put everything the way the want which makes it no fun.

I was just thinking it would be a good idea but then again bad.

Good because you can have your Own World but with a little bit of Linden Law and bad because so people may want there own currency, but have no rescoures to back it.

I think the best thing would be for someone very creative to make a city then let others copy some ideas and then make there own.

The Linden laws are fine. They are standards that are needed for a harmonious community. They are the same standards that most MMOGs go by also. In fact I find enforcement on the lenient side. The Community standards and Terms of Service are pretty ordinary in my book.


You're new. Which laws in particular do you not like? What power abuse (in-world) are you referring to?

When you start establishing a community, you're going to find the need for rules to keep the place from descending into total anarchy. Sooner or later you will find that you're evolving a set of laws that will resemble the "Linden laws" you are trying to get away from.

We need our own city states within the empire of SL. If you don't like living in that city state, don't live there. There are plenty of other places to suit your needs/wants.

Try EA's "Sim City" instead.

Lewis

I hear that some people already do have unlimited power without worry of the Lindens. ZOMG! *gasp*

MM

You buy an island sim you can do whatever you like. It is your world after all. Kick boot whoever u dont want in it, shoot people, edit land +/- 100 Meters, whatever
NOW. Of course IF you are a creep who will WANT to be in YOUR world with YOU, know what Im saying?

The community standards are a big part of what makes Second Life special. I would have no interest whatsoever in visiting a location where they did not apply.

Well a few people i know thought it would be nice to have....and so thin Lindens to abuse there power sometimes all I'm saying is it would be good to have your own city

The think is a lot of people out other would like to have there own city it would be really nice. I know of some people starting to do that, but are tring to work around the Linden Laws. A lot of people would like to make a small city for there group its not a bad idea. Lindens control everything and I also see some people that want to control there own city with them getting involed.


Just like this idea because with a city you can build cultrual statues, monuments ect

it will take planning but it could work.....it would be good if like one Linden was watch over the city for when stuff get out of hand like a super roit.

A police force for you own city would be good tooo

That'll be SL's future competition...

I can't figure out what on earth you want to do that the Lindens would interfere with. What have they ever stopped a private island owner from doing??

I wanted to take off gravity and make the moon look like a pink elephant on one of my sims, but LL said no. I cried a lot that day, and I will never forget the look on my neighbors' faces when they saw me in my backyard, arms stretched out, yelling into the sky, during a storm. I will never be the same...

MM

You keep saying "Abuse their power" as if they do it or something.

Lindens have nothing at all to gain by "Abusing" their "power". Plus, how can you abuse a power you yourself define? Just because you don't like what they're doing doesn't mean it's an abuse. From everything that I've seen, they all act for the interests of the greater good and the whole community over the interests of a single individual. Sure, they might choose the wrong course of action from time to time, but when you become perfect and infallable, only then can you bring judgement against them for making mistakes.

That's like saying that Congress is abusing it's power by passing laws.

The Lindens *own* the server you're using. They can do anything they want with it. There is no abuse when power is absolute. If you don't like it, don't play.

Where is the in game coding to print your own money and have it appear in the client app of the resident within your island nation?

Just to take to task that one particular statement -

When Congress passes laws that are tailored to the situation of one specific person - Terry Schiavo - YES, they are abusing their power and ignoring the oath of their office.

When they pass laws that are re-statements and clarifications of three other laws, YES.

When they pass laws that authorise ridiculous pay raises and pensions, YES.

When they pass laws appropriating millions for bridges that will last twenty years and see less traffic in that time than the main street of the only /town/ on the other side of the bridge? YES.

When they pass laws to justify their continued existence in a legal system that has so many codifications, expressions, delineations, refinements of law that it takes professional legal corporations to provide full legal services and not merely a single barrister? YES.

When they pass laws that make it impossible for small family-owned businesses to rebuild with their insurance money from disasters? YES.

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Aside from that - anyone who wants to run their own grid - I POINT and LAUGH at you. You have millions of dollars to throw away on a foolish capade wherein you will:
Be unable to get VC financing because you have no way to properly differentiate your product to make it compellingly attractive to consumers;
More than likely will be inviting lawsuits for creating an attractive nuisance if you do manage to differentiate sufficiently;
Will have a massive user revolt to deal with when they finally figure out that your ToS are even more unfair than LL's and you're even more unbudging in your enforcement;
Have to recruit, manage, and employ the second-best staff available (the best are, by definition, already working for LL) or have to recruit the best away;
Sign three-year data/processing center leases to have your systems housed offsite and administered by outsourced IT staff OR you can deal with the inevitable National Security letters / FBI/NSA/CIA/Bush Administration Justice Department warrantless raids /yourself/ by hosting the equipment in your /own/ premises - I'm certain your life will be so much /better/ once you're living with a gag order/ NS letter which, by definition, allows them to kidnap you and fly you to another country to torture you if they don't like the way you comply with the gag order/NS letter - AND ADMINISTER THE ONLY DEATH PENALTY IN THE CONSTITUTION without a public court review, without access to a lawyer - /so stress free/. /Every/ professional IT staffer in the USA has to live under this specter, thank you so much Bush.
DMCA takedowns!
DMCA Counter-Take-Downs!
Appearing in court case after court case as a party to trademark/copyright infringement criminal / civil cases!
I'm sorry, did you plan to actually spend time with friends and family?

But in the end, you get to have personalised promotional pens.

Ever heard of a HUD attachment?

It could easily state the amount of currency you have.

You could use either an in-game object to track everyone's currency OR a web service.

It would be easy to do really, and I've seen RPG games in SL that do just that. They track how much "gold" a player has and you can "buy" things with it that you can't actually buy with L$.

I think an offsite server would be best. Since it puts the load elsewhere and just sends pricing updates to the unit. Currency storage wouldn't be much of an issue.

The main key is forcing any transaction in your sim/island to use your currency. Becase the second somebody offers a widget forsale using L$, the whole reason and/or cumbersome issues with currency conversion, go right out the window and the buyer just uses L$ for ease of the transaction.

While an Avatar was within a server's boundries, it would have to use the currency of that sim. Or better yet, not acknowledge Linden Dollars, and only allow scripts which listen for the unique identifier of the approved currency.

Now to keep everybody from fussing because they might love the Linden Dollar, the "default" currency is the Linden Dollar. So private sim owners who wanted to use the L$ wouldn't need to do anything to use the L$. Those who wanted to print their own money would need to tweek something/somewhere. Maybe a Web Based GUI or some settings only available to the owner to create their own currencyt and restrict the use of the L$.

Once that issue has been addressed, the next issue would be the initial distribution of those dollars. Most likely the best method (other than just giving them out) would be to sell them for Linden Dollars through a 3rd party trading forex trading floor. Or the LindenX if LL sets up such.

For instance, I create RBD$10,000,000 dollars. And through the process of finding the correct price to Lindens, I sell all my RBD$ to the public on the exchange. From there on out (assuming I never create another dollar) anybody who needs my currency to buy/sell things in my world has to acquire it from the trading floor. Exchanging their Linden Dollars for my RBD$ dollars. And if truth be told, its very likely my RBD$ dollars will become worth much more than Linden Dollars. Not just in terms of a requirement for trade, but also as a store of value. Since my dollars would be Inflation Proof.

Really if you were listening i said that a lot of people i know feel this way and i decide to post there feelings thats all got a problem sue me lol

And Linden sometimes do abuse there power, but you are new so i dont expect you too know what I'm talking about.

I'm not trying to say the Lindens are bad , but stucking up wont get you anywhere. I know you are telling me not to play, but who are you what can you do to me????????? I know the Lindens own the severs I play on, but you forget with the players to pay they dont get paid at all(Next time use your brain)