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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
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01-13-2006 14:45
I'm still waiting to see if they will provide some answers about how/where the return is generated.
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Forseti Svarog
ESC
Join date: 2 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,730
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01-13-2006 14:47
From: Introvert Petunia To say "a fool and his lindens will soon be parted" is a little facile. "This Object requests permission to animate your avatar" and "This Object requests permission to debit your account" (or whatever the dialog says) are not bleedingly obvious in their effects to someone getting bombarded by SL for the first time. for clarification, i wasn't talking about Doc's friend but about folks who jump on unrealistic investment schemes and phoenix had the best interpretation of the saying 
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Alazarin Mondrian
Teh Trippy Hippie Dragon
Join date: 4 Apr 2005
Posts: 1,549
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01-13-2006 16:32
OK, I've rubbed my few remaining brain cells together on the SL banking conundrum and I think I may have a workable idea. Please bear with me as I'm not an economist or accountant, so I may have missed some important and/or salient points. Here goes.....
The intial problem is that neither Ginko Financial nor SL National Bank can get the type of banking insurance that guarantees transparency and stability in their field of business: namely storing and investing other peoples' money. In both cases the problem seems to be that the real world institutions, quite rightly, do not consider L$ to be a real currency.
OK, so L$ cannot be recognised as a currency. However it is a commodity that can be bought and sold in the same way that you can buy and sell apples. If you're in the wholesale agricultural business it makes sense to insure your stock against theft, natural disaster, market value fluctuations, etc., etc.... So maybe the angle potential SL banking institutions need to take is to find an insurer that will insure their stock of L$ from the commodity POV rather than the currency POV.
I for one can see that there is a real need for rock-solid banking in SL and the first person or group that truly cracks it will usher in an era of economic stability in SL.
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
Join date: 14 Mar 2005
Posts: 5,250
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01-13-2006 18:08
From: Alazarin Mondrian OK, I've rubbed my few remaining brain cells together on the SL banking conundrum and I think I may have a workable idea. Please bear with me as I'm not an economist or accountant, so I may have missed some important and/or salient points. Here goes..... The intial problem is that neither Ginko Financial nor SL National Bank can get the type of banking insurance that guarantees transparency and stability in their field of business: namely storing and investing other peoples' money. In both cases the problem seems to be that the real world institutions, quite rightly, do not consider L$ to be a real currency. OK, so L$ cannot be recognised as a currency. However it is a commodity that can be bought and sold in the same way that you can buy and sell apples. If you're in the wholesale agricultural business it makes sense to insure your stock against theft, natural disaster, market value fluctuations, etc., etc.... So maybe the angle potential SL banking institutions need to take is to find an insurer that will insure their stock of L$ from the commodity POV rather than the currency POV. I for one can see that there is a real need for rock-solid banking in SL and the first person or group that truly cracks it will usher in an era of economic stability in SL. Well said; I have a slightly different 'spin' on it... that you might find interesting. True banking *is* rock solid, now... for the customer. How? 1) You can keep your own $L safe (unless the Company itself takes them) - it's not like keeping paper bills in a mattress. 2) Any bank making a loan to you is taking a risk on *its* part. 3) Earning interest on your money - well, that's the only hole, but honestly who is going to waste time investing $L 1000 only to get, say, $L 1050 over the course of a year? Thus there is no insurance industry, other than the obvious one of converting $L to USD credit with the Company. The 3.5% lost that way is probably less than the cost of any insurance mechanism. Beyond that - any 'bank' that constantly borrows at loan shark rates is LOSING your money, not making it, and will never repay the bulk of it. Though history has proven that many, many people can't make that leap of understanding. With regard to currency: it is unlawful for anyone to create currency within the United States. $L is *similar* to currency, but with one key difference: one cannot go to a United States supermarket and pay $L 250 for a bottle of soda. The store can lawfully refuse $L as a form of payment. That is why $L is truly not currency. However, it may be deemed to hold *value*, an entirely different matter altogether. Anyone can print gift certificates, E-tickets to Disneyland rides and so forth that hold *value*.
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Forseti Svarog
ESC
Join date: 2 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,730
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01-13-2006 20:23
You need more than just a prospectus -- a real bank can be audited by a relatively trusted third party like PWC or KPMG. Not that small town bank scams don't happen in RL, but at least in a small town an owner has a reputation and a physical presence. People are asking these SL "institutions" to give a record of where they are getting a return, but unless that record is in publicly traded securities, you'd never know. Unless they were audited by a trusted RL organization, it's meaningless. I could set up my own little fund right now and give you a pretty little prospectus: Overview XY Fund is able to pay our high rate of interest through acquisition activity in the coffee bean farm market. We are behind a team that owns and buys coffee bean farms, and has recently discovered the significant economies of scale of farm consolidation. Between our newfound synergies and the growing international coffee market, we are seeing extremely strong growth and and profit margins which in turn enables us to return a high rate of interest to our shareholders commensurate with the risk. Sadly, we do our primary business in a South American country where it is hard to raise money, especially in the farm sector.
 ** Image: A newly acquired farm currently being modernized **
Risks We should warn potential investors that there are several risks: - It is possible that local governments could issue new regulation limiting our ability to acquire other farms and consolide the market - Our nation currently has a stable government but revolutionary instability and marxist activity has been known in this region. An uprising could limit our ability to perform. - There is risk that the international coffee market could undergo a rapid fall-off, which would in turn limit demand for our end product, the coffee bean. - Like all farm industries, there is also risk of extreme weather conditions which could damage crop production. - We have competition in the form of larger coffee bean farmers in other countries and within our own country, but believe that our new strategy and new efficiencies will enable us to continue to gain market share.
We believe all these risks are manageable, but of course nothing is certain . We do not guarantee returns to our investors nor are we insured by any governmental or private entity.would something like that make you feel better? at the end of the day, you do what you want with your money... but don't come crying if you lose it.
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
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01-13-2006 21:22
From: Juro Kothari I'm still waiting to see if they will provide some answers about how/where the return is generated. Get real. Why would they?
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
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01-14-2006 10:28
From: Jamie Bergman Get real. Why would they? They probably won't - which is reason #1 why I would suggest that noone invest with them.
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
Join date: 14 Mar 2005
Posts: 5,250
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01-14-2006 15:20
From: Forseti Svarog ... ** Image: A newly acquired farm currently being modernized ** RisksWe should warn potential investors that there are several risks: - It is possible that local governments could issue new regulation limiting our ability to acquire other farms and consolide the market- Our nation currently has a stable government but revolutionary instability and marxist activity has been known in this region. An uprising could limit our ability to perform.- There is risk that the international coffee market could undergo a rapid fall-off, which would in turn limit demand for our end product, the coffee bean.- Like all farm industries, there is also risk of extreme weather conditions which could damage crop production.- We have competition in the form of larger coffee bean farmers in other countries and within our own country, but believe that our new strategy and new efficiencies will enable us to continue to gain market share. We believe all these risks are manageable, but of course nothing is certain . We do not guarantee returns to our investors nor are we insured by any governmental or private entity. With deepest regrets, I fear I must retract my offer to invest. I have heard reports of Zugswangistas operating in the area. *gives a beautifully made walnut box* I don't really recommend using this, but if it comes down to it... there are enough for two reloadings. After that, if you cannot make it to the helicopter it won't matter anyway. There is a cigar and one gold bullet, at the bottom. Do drop by our usual bisto in Paris, ol' chum, and tell me how things went by this spring?
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Forseti Svarog
ESC
Join date: 2 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,730
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01-14-2006 16:27
nice one Des!
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Gyro Maltz
Buildin' ze world!
Join date: 28 Sep 2005
Posts: 68
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02-07-2006 16:38
apparently they ceased operations quite recently stating it's "not fun" to do banking in SL anymore ahaha, they returned the monies.. but without the interest... fools!
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Phoenix Psaltery
Ninja Wizard
Join date: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 2,599
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02-07-2006 18:07
Heh. Here is the announcement: From: SL National Bank SL National bank would like to thank you for your business! We have determined that the SL Banking experience is not as fun as we had hoped. We will be ceasing our virtual banking operations as of February 7, 2006 and returning all depositor funds with interest as of this date. While the atm will not be available as of today, your funds are being manually returned to you. You can still log into the slnational.com website to view your account. Thank you again and please check your SL account for the return of your deposit. Regards, SL National Bank Committee!  Heh. I wasn't a depositor, but when I saw this thread earlier I had to go take a look see. I particularly liked the smiley at the end of their notecard. However, the notecard does say WITH interest. P2
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Davey Ingmann
Registered User
Join date: 26 Oct 2005
Posts: 1
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02-20-2006 07:18
Ummm. They did pay interest every day.
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Sirex Cookie
Registered User
Join date: 29 Jan 2006
Posts: 103
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02-20-2006 09:20
From: Carl Metropolitan A daily interest rate .31% would more than triple your initial investment in a year. How does "SL National Bank" propose to pay such a high rate of return? by taking the money out of the game, putting it in a real bank at 4%, then importing it back in when the linden supply buffer amount gets low.
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Carl Metropolitan
Registered User
Join date: 7 Jul 2005
Posts: 1,031
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02-20-2006 10:06
From: Sirex Cookie by taking the money out of the game, putting it in a real bank at 4%, then importing it back in when the linden supply buffer amount gets low. That's not possible. Returns from a real bank at 4% annual interest won't even approach the 0.31% daily interest that "SL National Bank" claimed they would pay. Of course, they got out of business pretty quick, too...
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