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GOM is ruining it for SLExchange

blaze Spinnaker
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09-28-2005 06:13
Philip is obviously freaked out by resident run businesses.

Obviously, more than ever, he now realises the risk and danger of trusting residents to run critical businesses for the SL community.
Simple Chaos
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09-28-2005 06:15
From: blaze Spinnaker
Philip is obviously freaked out by resident run businesses.

Obviously, more than ever, he now realises the risk and danger of trusting residents to run critical businesses for the SL community.


Who defines SLExchange as critical?
Kris Ritter
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09-28-2005 06:18
I really don't see how you can blame GOM for any future failings of SLExchange. Besides which, SLExchange is no more critical than GOM ever was. The vast majority of players get on just fine without ever using either.
Eboni Khan
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09-28-2005 06:19
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Good Job at spreading panic Blaze.
blaze Spinnaker
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09-28-2005 06:22
The point is, a lot of us content developers defended GOM because we felt that Philip should work with residents on everything.

Unfortunately, they've only provided evidence why residents can't be trusted with anything important.
MrsJakal Suavage
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09-28-2005 06:22
From: Eboni Khan
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Good Job at spreading panic Blaze.



LOL. For once I disagree with you Eboni :) Blaze is now known as the "little boy who cried wolf". I would be very surprised if he succeeds in spreading panic.
blaze Spinnaker
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09-28-2005 06:23
Bump away, oh human child.

Anyways, these are forums folks. If you spent any time in world, you'd realise that a good chunk of SLers don't even know this place exists.
Kris Ritter
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09-28-2005 06:25
From: blaze Spinnaker
The point is, a lot of us content developers defended GOM because we felt that Philip should work with residents on everything.

Unfortunately, they've only provided evidence why residents can't be trusted with anything important.


Oh I agree with you. Possibly for the first time ever, but I do :)
Moopf Murray
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09-28-2005 06:39
Although you can be kind of sensationalist at times blaze, I do know what you're saying. If I was running slexchange, slboutique or sl-shop-whatever, I'd be pretty concerned at what's happened and how it mmay give a clue as to what LL might integrate in the future.

But then slexchange does have a rather large ace up it's sleeve, doesn't it. Big customers equals big sway when push comes to shove ( possibly.) :)
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09-28-2005 07:31
From: Simple Chaos
Who defines SLExchange as critical?


Not me! I've never used it.

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Newfie Pendragon
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09-28-2005 07:46
SLExchange will be targeted by LindenSoft (MicroLin? Phill Gatesdale?) soon enough. Now that GOM is shutting their doors, it's only a matter of time before LL declares that 'a central shopping index is critical to the SL community' and destroy SLExchange too.

It's the tried and true Microsoft way. Embrace and extend, or monopolize and destroy. And to think we were worried about Anshe having market monopoly control.


- Newfie
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Kris Ritter
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09-28-2005 07:50
From: Newfie Pendragon
SLExchange will be targeted by LindenSoft (MicroLin? Phill Gatesdale?) soon enough. Now that GOM is shutting their doors, it's only a matter of time before LL declares that 'a central shopping index is critical to the SL community' and destroy SLExchange too.

It's the tried and true Microsoft way. Embrace and extend, or monopolize and destroy. And to think we were worried about Anshe having market monopoly control.


Oh I hope so. If I'm going to do web shopping in SL I'd very much like it to be integrated and from a source I could trust, rather than another resident run solution that, while they can seem established and trustworthy could easily just pack its bags and leave everyone in the lurch, as we've already seen can happen overnight.

Unfortunately, I dont think you can really compare Microsoft and LL.
Merwan Marker
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09-28-2005 07:53
From: Kris Ritter
Oh I hope so. If I'm going to do web shopping in SL I'd very much like it to be integrated and from a source I could trust, rather than another resident run solution that, while they can seem established and trustworthy could easily just pack its bags and leave everyone in the lurch, as we've already seen can happen overnight.

Unfortunately, I dont think you can really compare Microsoft and LL.



Ahh, unfortunately I don't think I can compare LL and trust.

:eek:
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Kris Ritter
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09-28-2005 07:55
From: Merwan Marker
Ahh, unfortunately I don't think I can compare LL and trust.

:eek:


I haven't seen a resident I could trust, though. And frankly I feel I'd have much more recourse to a solution from LL if things went screwy than I do from some anonymous avatar. Of course, it's a personal thing.
Newfie Pendragon
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09-28-2005 08:17
From: Kris Ritter
Oh I hope so. If I'm going to do web shopping in SL I'd very much like it to be integrated and from a source I could trust, rather than another resident run solution that, while they can seem established and trustworthy could easily just pack its bags and leave everyone in the lurch, as we've already seen can happen overnight.


I agree there. I'd much rather do business with a business I can trust. However seeing LL's actions on this matter, they're not it. Only thing I can trust LL with is the expectation that any they'll be willing to steal and monopolize any idea that they feel is 'good for the community'.


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Unfortunately, I dont think you can really compare Microsoft and LL.


It's an easy comparison. Both companies are using the same concept to do business - that is, if one sees a generally useful idea performed by a competitor, try to buy them out. If they refuse, crush them.

By actually being the hosts and creators of the SL world itself, LL has a monopoly power in-world that no competitor has a chance against. The tactics being used by LL are exactly the same ones so very efficiently used at Microsoft.


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Dianne Mechanique
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09-28-2005 08:24
From: blaze Spinnaker
Philip is obviously freaked out by resident run businesses.

Obviously, more than ever, he now realises the risk and danger of trusting residents to run critical businesses for the SL community.
Come on! A post that has only two sentences, and both of those deal with the hypothetical state of mind of someone you have never met or hardly even talked to????

Jeska please move this post to the "fantasy/troll" forum. :)
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Kris Ritter
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09-28-2005 08:31
From: Newfie Pendragon
I agree there. I'd much rather do business with a business I can trust. However seeing LL's actions on this matter, they're not it. Only thing I can trust LL with is the expectation that any they'll be willing to steal and monopolize any idea that they feel is 'good for the community'.

...

By actually being the hosts and creators of the SL world itself, LL has a monopoly power in-world that no competitor has a chance against. The tactics being used by LL are exactly the same ones so very efficiently used at Microsoft.


Don't see anything wrong with it myself. It's LL's world to do with as they please. And frankly they'll find customers for whatever the product becomes.

They could nerf the L$ tomorrow and convert it into a point scoring system instead and there isn't a damned thing anyone of us could do about it.

And then everyone here would storm out in herds screaming about the injustice of it all and all the 'money' they lost because of it (after they signed up to a ToS in which they agree that the L$ and every piece of content you create or buy is valueless).

And yet the people who just enjoy quietly tinkering around with the platform and dont give two hoots about economies, money trading or commerce will continue to to do, and people who have been discouraged from SL because of the commercial aspects and what SL has become as a result will probably rejoin in droves :)

OMG. Bliss *daydreams* :p
FlipperPA Peregrine
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09-28-2005 09:42
While I enjoy running SLBoutique and all, I agree that the functions allowing such transactions need to be improved. Perhaps allow llGiveInventory to run by calling the object's key, for example, thus obsfucating the need to have a prim rez'd in world. It would also be nice if there was something like llSellObject(string avatar_name, key item, integer amount) that could be used to pop a dialog to someone in world to attempt to complete a transaction and handle the money directly instead of our weird hacked up system we use now.

These changes would make it much easier for anyone to set up a web store, and centralize it, but I'd fully support them as it would make SL better for the entire community.

Once we get a browser in the SL viewer, I also suspect alternate "FIND" systems to start cropping up. Perhaps an entirely HTML based find system fed by RSS instead of being stuck with the default Linden Lab "FIND" system. Just some thoughts.

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Beau Perkins
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09-28-2005 09:48
OMG SLex is in danger? This is an outrage. I cant believe LL put us in this situation. As a content developer this will hurt my already declining income. I can not be motivated to.......


Oh wait.....

I stopped using SLEX months ago.
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Strawbearry Shortbread
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09-28-2005 10:02
I agree with Newfie.

I would also point out that GOM has not left everyone in the lurch, or absconded in the middle of the night with all the funds, or anything like that.

They can quit when they want to. If they choose to quit now, it doesn't mean, "See? We couldn't trust them." It means only that, "We can't trust them to provide this service to us forever no matter what."

coco
Eboni Khan
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09-28-2005 11:02
From: Strawbearry Shortbread
I agree with Newfie.

I would also point out that GOM has not left everyone in the lurch, or absconded in the middle of the night with all the funds, or anything like that.

They can quit when they want to. If they choose to quit now, it doesn't mean, "See? We couldn't trust them." It means only that, "We can't trust them to provide this service to us forever no matter what."

coco



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09-28-2005 11:07
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PS...I Agree with Newfie and I ain't an ALT

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09-28-2005 11:10
From: Eboni Khan
1 Alt, noted and out the way....

If you read the forums more and played WOW less, Eboni, you may have noted that I have explained that Strawbearry was my alt since the day I created her.

There IS no other alt, but when there is, I will make a special announcement (under "Announcements," where it would be appropriate) just for you. Try not to miss it.

If you do miss it, you can still tell it's me by the fact that I sign all my posts "Coco."

And I do mean ALL my posts, in every online game I play, have ever played, or will ever play, and I do mean "Coco."

coco
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09-28-2005 11:14
From: Shadow Weaver
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PS...I Agree with Newfie and I ain't an ALT

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And I agree with Shadow and noAlt be me!


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Beau Perkins
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09-28-2005 11:15
I am an alt to a very cool, more powerful person.....really I am.
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