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Why is snow still unpopular?

Eggy Lippmann
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08-28-2005 02:19
It's been a year, SL population has doubled, and the snow is still one of the cheapest / least popular places in the world. Heck, Prokofy managed to set aside an entire snow sim, Tethys, just for a combat sandbox.
Why?
Surina Skallagrimson
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08-28-2005 02:25
Too cold?
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08-28-2005 02:30
Double the prims and halve the price, and I guarantee snow sims will be very popular.
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08-28-2005 02:34
From: Eggy Lippmann
It's been a year, SL population has doubled, and the snow is still one of the cheapest / least popular places in the world. Heck, Prokofy managed to set aside an entire snow sim, Tethys, just for a combat sandbox.
Why?


Hmm....we have enough of that in rl ;)
At least here in Sweden.
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08-28-2005 02:57
We don't have a lot of snow here in the good part of Canada :) Hmm, but we have a hockey team that is pretty much Team Sweden... Hmm yeh, wonder why snow sims are so unpopular. They are different and different is good right? :D
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Torley Linden
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08-28-2005 02:57
I have a theory.

Linden Lab introduces a new group of sims named after Wu-Tang Clan, with purple ground. Nothing that can't be done right now within the system. I'd live in Rza, but that's besides the point. I want to see who would live there and how much land sells for.

Psychologically, I bet folks wanting "realistic" homesteads would not set up, and that perhaps it'd endear itself to a great degree of chaos. Perhaps even be amenable to those who want to build wacky stuff that'd be eyesores in other neighborhoods.

That being said, since when is Tethys a snow sim? Has a lot changed since I last looked? I always remember it as being real craggy, rocky, and with water streams for t00bing.
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08-28-2005 03:55
I am from Sweden that part in the middle where we have snow a few months a year...and I dont like it.. Its could - mostly wet.. plus its a dark part of the year... we must dress in winter clothes/shoes, gloves.. its not easy.. and its not fun... and very UN-practical....

When i see the snow in SL that of course not are could not wet.. .I still get memory from last IRL years winter and the coming one and I must say - I dont like what I feel....

BUT we have GREAT hockey teams....he he
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08-28-2005 04:05
I think it's because it's forever winter. Maybe if it cycled it would be worth more and be more desirable. Probably more than perpetually summertime areas.

As for me personally, I get enough of winter here where I live in RL, what with 6 months out of the year of it.
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Jesrad Seraph
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08-28-2005 04:07
I recently learnt that SL years are 10-RL-day-long. And yes it'd be fantastic to have seasons :)
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Melanie Lehane
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08-28-2005 04:43
When looking for land, I also avoided the snow sims. I dont like to be cold. Looking at it, while beautiful, makes me cold. Very cold. When it is snowing outside and when it is not, it is just plain too cold.

Plus, I want to do landscaping and sell plants. (like spring/summer) Without wasting prims in ground cover, just wouldnt match. :D

Changing ground cover in the sim would be great!!! seasonal would be tough on people in some places because they would have to change their builds. However.. it would be nice to be able to change the ground in your own plot.. Can you imagine what First Land Sims would look like/ lol

have a feeling it wont happen
but it is a nice idea
Eggy Lippmann
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08-28-2005 05:00
The snow sims were wildly popular in the beginning. There is only a fixed amount of them, so as SL grows, scarcity dictates that eventually their value will go up?
In my country you can only see snow on top of the very highest mountain, so I guess it makes snow something more exotic and appealing.
I live in the snow sims and kinda like it, except my sim is a fair bit more laggy than most, thanks to my crazy neighbor's scripting, no doubt :P
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08-28-2005 05:03
I always found the snow sims to not look much like snow, they look more like someone took a can of spraypaint to the grass sims.

There's no snow there. Snow falls from the sky in flakes. Yes, there are plenty of flakes in Second Life, but none of them precipitate as tiny crystals of water and fall to the sky in the snow sims. No snow falls, and there is no snow on the ground. Your feet don't sink in, or rest on a hardened crust and then at times fall through. No snow blows around and forms snow drifts. There isn't much way to make a snowman by scooping up bits of snow in your gloves and packing it into an approprate shape, and no snow collects in your hair or blocks the view when it adheres to your glasses.

So I feel a sense of disappointment when I am in the snow sims. They don't deliver any of what their designation implies they should.
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08-28-2005 05:46
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
There's no snow there.


I agree. If it actually snowed, I'd be there right now. Snow in the winter where I live is wonderful, it means it isn't that cold that day. That is, of course, until the snow turns black from smog and other general city detritus

Can we have the snow near roads and telehubs tinged black so I would feel more at home?
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08-28-2005 06:11
About the only reason I dislike the snow sims is that they seem to have too much cloudiness down at ground level. I understand that the reason is that the ground is actually "at altitude" in them... or seems to be. Still... having to turn off clouds just to see the surroundings is why I do not enjoy the snow sims as I hoped I could.

Maybe I just don't understand... but that's my little view of the SL snow sims for which I had high hopes.
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Kyrah Abattoir
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08-28-2005 06:33
actually i pretty like my snow, land, its calm peacefull i have 1 2 great neightbors and can enjoy the resources of a full sim almost just for me ^_^

peoples please do not come ruin my tranquility ^^

stay in the crowded areas ^^
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Cocoanut Koala
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08-28-2005 07:52
I don't like the snow sims here much, and I didn't like the snow lots in Sims. Maybe because constant snow isn't a situation people live in irl.

The snow was prettier in TSO, and felt a little less cold somehow.

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Byron McHenry
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08-28-2005 08:05
most time in snow sim you have to deal with a lot of tresses lagging you and the fact that the snow sims this too much.

people dont want to look at snow if they can avoid it and seeing how those sims are out of the way why travel there.


so just make snow capped mountans and cut the mess where we keep putting out sims with snow

and there are no roads out there.
Lisse Livingston
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08-28-2005 09:50
Snow Sims were offered for sale rapidly, in large volume and with no warmer Sims for auction or as First Land at the same time.

So a lot of people who were looking for their first pieces of land bought snow even though they didn't really want snow.

Then they built what they wanted on their new land, which had nothing to do with the fact that they were in a cold climate.

And so the people who really wanted to live in the snow found their neighborhood no different from a grassy neighborhood with white grass. :(

I've even seen a completely walled-in lot with the entire ground resurfaced in grass texture. Why did this person not just buy land in a grassy area? Because snow is cheaper.

I would have preferred to see the snow Sims come up on auction in parallel with warmer Sims, perhaps on a 1:2 ratio - so that people could have bought land in the areas they really wanted to be in, and the people who bought snow would have bought it because they wanted to make a snow-themed build.

I have lived in snow by choice since last August and am now leaving it only for financial reasons (subliminal)buy my land buy my land(/subliminal) but I still adore the landscape, especially when carefully landscaped with appropriate foliage.

Prices may rise eventually, but only when the price of non-snow land falls enough that snow land isn't the "I need the cheapest land possible for my generic build" choice.
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08-28-2005 11:22
Well, I love the snow sims . . . the ground texture, the Linden snow trees, the low clouds (makes for the best sunsets in SL), and the excuse to go wild with particles (you better believe it snows at my house!). I bought snow land as soon as it was available, back when the price was absolutely insane (typically 10-12k per 512m2 back then), and I have never regretted it. I just doubled the size of my parcel -- yay, more snow! I would be very unhappy if the Lindens decided to cycle the seasons where I live . . . my entire build was designed for snow.

My av has a lot of great jackets and boots and layered clothing, which I find a lot more interesting than skimpy bikinis and stuff (oh how I love sweaters and hats!) and there's an inviting fireplace in my snug little cabin. But I spend most of my time outdoors. I have to admit, over the last year my av has mutated to suit the habitat -- I seem to have developed not only a resistance to, but even a preference for virtual cold, and my av's nails and hair often appear icy blue. Although I like the trappings of winter wear, I roam my snowy domain in gauzy winter-colored gowns with equal comfort. The Snow Bugs are at my command and I've learned to draw light from ice. Once I had plans to script an attachment for foggy exhalation in the chill air, but I came to realize that I am no longer a warm-blooded mortal, and such a contrivance would only be useful if I wanted to try to pass for one.

Ah, give me the crystalline perfection of ice, and the peaceful blue glow of snow in the moonlight! I much prefer the contemplative calm of a frozen pond reflecting the colors of the dawn to the sloppy chaos of liquid water's waves.

Leave the clean, bright snow to me, if it's not your fancy, and enjoy the sweaty tropical sims. I think palm trees are creepy and sand gets into everything and itches. Ew! :p
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08-28-2005 11:29
Sounds wonderful, Kim!

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08-28-2005 11:43
From: Cocoanut Koala
Sounds wonderful, Kim!

coco


it is, cocoa, it is! Kim has made a really wonderful spot which is sort of new england realistic on one side and fairy snow queen fantasy on the other.

One of my favorite spots within SL -- I'm not in world right now so don't have the coordinates at my fingertips, but it's probably in Kim's picks (under her Lotus store name?), and possibly in mine too. Then, when you need to counter the snow with a good sunburn, you can hop over to the gold coast and make a sand castle :)

per the topic -- i think most people just have a predeliction for greenery. Snow and mountain rock are simply more hostile environments for human beings in RL, even though humans have learned to live basically everywhere, and I think that exists in the common subconscious. I too would love a sim that changed seasons.
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08-28-2005 12:01
From: Eggy Lippmann
The snow sims were wildly popular in the beginning. There is only a fixed amount of them, so as SL grows, scarcity dictates that eventually their value will go up?
In my country you can only see snow on top of the very highest mountain, so I guess it makes snow something more exotic and appealing.
I live in the snow sims and kinda like it, except my sim is a fair bit more laggy than most, thanks to my crazy neighbor's scripting, no doubt :P

I grew up in Colorado, Eggy, and believe me - after awhile, you learn to despise snow. Especially because, in Colorado at least, the heaviest snows come when you least want them - late Spring.
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Aliasi Stonebender
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08-28-2005 13:17
My own homebase is in snow (Eldora), and I love it. The build is designed to *look* like it's built in snow, and even for other purposes you can do crazy terraforming you can't get away with elsewhere... 'cause it's snow.
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Shirley Meiji
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08-28-2005 14:18
Well this explains why our land for sale in Jiminy hasn't sold yet. It seems many people have misconceptions about snow sims. Our land is road frontage, flat, low altitude, no fog, and there are no tresses anywhere in the sim that I've ever seen.

(So if anyone wants it please see the Classifieds forum... heheh...)
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08-28-2005 15:12
Teh Snow Is Teh Pwetty!!!!!!!!!
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