Economy Meeting.

This isn't fierce hate.... its having a point of view, not being afraid to stand up for it, and not being intimidated into submission because people are arguing. You want fierce hate I'll gladly show it, but trust me this is perfectly calm. I think it's quite easy to see how 'the other side' lose it very easily when challenged, if you haven't already.

So... why do I dislike these people? Because they are stifling my enjoyment of SL. They manipulate the currency market, and price land to suit them rather than to sell - then whine when nobody buys them.

Maybe I haven't met them - but that doesn't mean I can dislike their practices.

You hear a noise outside, and look out the window to see your car window shattered and your stereo missing, with some young herbert in a hoodie cycling round the corner and out of sight.

Now... this unknown individual has negatively affected your life in several ways - violated your space, cost you money, inconvenienced you. But you've never met him to talk to. That doesn't stop you having contempt for them.

I see the economy manipulators and land grabbers doing exactly the same - stifling my ability to expand and enjoy all that SL has to offer, by pricing what I need out of what I can afford.

My second life views are echoed in my first life, by the way.

Lewis

Have you been to my store? The most expensive item is L$75. I'm hardly going to make my riches from that.. I am not making money in game to make a real life living. Theres a big difference between me and the type I am disliking.

I'm not saying everyone who might disagree with me is detrimental to SL - but in my opinion, when all that drives you is profit, you've lost the point of being in SL.

Lewis

I shall drop by sometime, thankyou. You seem an exception to the majority.

Lewis

Awww... thanks to all!

*blush*

Doubly embarrassed from the kind words and my so blatantly messing up the thread, I didn't mean to.

Lewis- No. Obviously, you can't do without 'em all.
Your continued ranting in L&E is evidence enough of that.


I was thinking 'peers' more in terms of people with something in common, like people widowed by cancer, or people who like basketball. I certainly wasn't using it in the 'peerage' sense, as in the ranks of nobility in the UK.

And I disagree. We all may be created equal... but we don't stay that way.

The money thing is one of the ways people can excel or flop. Establishing solid friendships, being helpful to the new, hosting engaging events, creating interesting things are other ways. I suppose getting people hopping mad can be considered a talent, but a popular one, nor always a relevant or helpful one. All I'm asking is that you pick your battles with a little more care. Attacking a group of people because one person wanted to try to make a difference is just ugly.

And this post totally doesn't belong in L&E. My apologies.

I attacked nobody, I merely enquired as to the need for something I saw as an unnecessary fix for something that didn't need fixing. It appears that the OP evidenly saw the error of his ways by cancelling the meeting - if he was truly standing by his opinion, he would have continued the meeting regardless, and if anyone like me who challenges them uncomfortably had turned up, then a simple "boot and ban" would have taken care of it all (although of course that would have reinforced the point of a secret agenda and personal gain).

I too am trying to make a difference and improve SL. Because my ideas are not purely for personal gain, does that make them invalid? As I've said before, if you don't want to hear conflicting views on a subject then don't post them on a public forum for anyone to read and comment on.

Lewis

My point exactly. Not ALL who participate in capitalism (like yourself, and myself) are driven by profit. Yet I quoted you as saying that ALL capitalists are unwanted and detrimental to the game.

Originally Posted by Lewis Nerd
They are not a welcome part of the community as far as I'm concerned. Capitalists, extortionists, profiteers, market manipulators, land stealers... can do without 'em all.

Capitalsim in itself is not the same as extortionist or market manipulators.

[sarcasm]
Yay. Your intolerance and mud slinging has won the day. You've crushed someone's hopes of making a difference and they've given up. What a hero you are. Three Cheers for Lewis.[/sarcasm]

A bit of advice? Don't go around accusing people of thinking they're better than you, and that we're all equal.. and then start spouting martyred pricing on your stuff as if not making a profit makes some kind of charitable saint, and therefore BETTER than everyone else. You contradict yourself an risk being viewed as delusional (at best) or a two-faced hypocrit (or worse, someone that's trolling for an argument). I'm not saying you are... I'm saying you're doing a very good impersonation. And I know from reading your posts in other forums that you're a better person than that.

If that impression is not your intent, please give more consideration to how you word things.

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At least Don Quixote was more charming and gentlemanly when he tilted at windmills.

I'm not entirely sure anyone "wins" when it comes to matters of the economy, to be honest. The majority usually lose out - because for every winner, lots end up losing.

I don't see that I crushed anyone's hopes of "making a difference", as I've already said all I did was question the need for such a meeting, and as he bailed out and decided it wasn't worth it, perhaps some of the responses given (it wasn't just me posting, by the way if you hadn't noticed) made him rethink as to whether it was in fact as important as he had originally considered.

Disliking something is not intolerance. I can't stop anyone posting here anything they like, whether I approve or not. I'm just a normal poster like the majority here.

There is nothing I or anyone could have done to stop this meeting going ahead, the worst we could have done was standing on the border of a parcel of land we had been banned from, waving placards, pitchforks and burning torches. So don't blame me that the meeting was cancelled, merely for exercising my right of free speech to challenge another poster's viewpoint.

The fact that we have that free speech means that you have the right to challenge me. I trust you are as grateful as I am for that freedom.

Lewis

As you haven't posted any ideas - we cannot reasonably answer that question.



As I've said before - conflicting views are welcome. Attacks and trolling are not.

You can't seem to understand the difference between them. (Hint: Which individual is constantly posting how certain types of players should be 'replaced by better ones', and which group posts no such claims.)

The 'dislike' in your heart is coming across as rabit intolerance in your writing. Again, if that's not your intent... it's something that you might want to try working on.
I have to say you're wrong there. Linden Labs is not part of the U.S. Government, the first amendment doesn't apply here. We are their guests and customers. In LL's world (and forums) we are not citizens, nor are we protected by the bill of rights. (The TOS isn't a guarantee, and even specifically disallows some free speech.)

And you're not challlenging viewpoints... you're effectively accusing people of being liars, thieves, bullies and con-artists, and you're lumping anyone that makes a profit in with them.


I know you're just trying to defend the aspects of SecondLife that you enjoy...

But, discrediting an entire group of people by making slanderous generalizations is just the wrong way to pursue that goal.

If you have no choice but to resort to unethical conduct in order to preserve and protect your view of SecondLife... you would no better than those you've condemned, and just as undeserving of the results of your efforts.

Rise above Lewis. I know you have it in you to be a better person than this.

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Some profits may be illegally/unethically gained.
That does NOT make all who profit unethical or criminal.