Notice to All - Not a big deal, but

That doesn't make it inaccurate. They're explicit about the whole premium is the right to own land thing. I've never heard them say premium is the right to $500 stipend. It's just what is currnetly included in the plan.
$9.95 for L$2000 is not a good deal, you don't have to buy land but it'd be silly not to, you're paying for it.
And yes, I am going to bed... slowly...
I'll get there faster if you hold off quoting me till tomorrow

The 500L stipend is mentione din the what is page describing plans.

First land you -still- have to buy.

So yes, premium is to me, as to many, for the stipend.

True, and i said many Many MANY MANY times that i was AGAINST the removal of stipend.
For many reasons, some are ethics, some are moral, and some are about business.

I'm sure a few people will go basic if the premium stipend is lowered.
But, i'm sure that a majority of people go premium to buy their 1st land, not to have a higher stipend.

If that's all you get it for why buy at $L200/$? You'd be way better off no stipend, buy it from the Lindex.
And the fact you still have to buy first land is irrelevant. It's the tier you're paying for.

Premium is stipend plus landowning rights. That's what the deal is. That's all there is to it. There's no "entitlement" here beyond a simple contract.

LL can change the deal, and I'm sure there is small print that allows them to legally, but if they change the deal midway through people's terms, those people are likely to feel that the contract has been broken.

I've noticed the "$9.95 for life thing" has disappeared. If you joined after that, you could reasonably expect price and/or package to change. I'm guessing if there is any change, it'll be 'from now on', with the life-time agreement being honoured with those to which it was made.

I'm still looking for where it says you have to buy First Land....


Have you gone to bed yet? Hope so.. that way this will be tomorrow for you when you see it. lol

reservebank i'd like to point out that msot of us signed up for premium accounts to get the stipend the original 9.95 is part of the stipend it doesnt cost much for them to maintain 512 sq m mabye about 1 USD 2 tops. Fact of the matter mantinance of a server is not expensive you pay people to do it. Alot of people can do it really pretty easily. Espeicially the old way. Sure they have employee's to pay etc thats what the extra fee's are most likely for. Is people's pay. Fact of the Matter tier fee's would be way out there and they would need to do away with the 9.95 to go premium and just charge tier. Hence everyone becomes premium automitically and can own a bit of land. I have kept stating there is no Proper Way for them to go about this they will end up hurting themselves mroe if they touch it. People controlling third part Linden exchanges need to stop trading on Lindex to sell L that is sold with them. The buy or sell now approach isnt helpful in these cases at all. IF they are going to do it it should be kept to striclty market base kind of having them sell it in that light. rather then having to make money to pay people for more L if it comes down to it. The fact is msot mmorpgs overcharge massively because of server matinance. I've seen stuff run off donation adding up to mabye 200 bucks top for a server that can support alot of people. Sure i pay 9.95 but then tier on top of it. which 5 mroe then 9.95 gets 1024 sq m more? so how is it stipulated that the 9.95 is jsut for land in that case?

And no the 9.95 for life thing didnt vanish completely. Someone's first account is totally void of charges. However it can be abused if someone has a cell phone and a credit card. But aside from a few free accounts here and there if its not abused they pay 9.95 for their second account!

I certainly would. I paid for the whole year, on both my premiums.

They ALREADY have my money, for the remainder of the year.

coco

You don't have to but you're paying for the tier so you'd be crazy not to use the tier. Otherwise, you just got a really shit deal on L$. You are paying for the right to own land, plus the first 512m of tier, plus stipend. And now that there is no 'lifetime' contract, if you joined after that, your contract is month to month (edit: or quarter to quarter, or year to year), and subject to change at the end of that agreement.

Now goodnight

Premium is all about the stipend cos that's the only part I use is not a logical statement.

coco: I definitely would as well; I also paid for a year.

I don't think they plan to change the stipend for existing subscribers though. That would be very silly, and possibly - though I've not checked the small print for it, as I said - illegal.

Therein lies the crux. Those who have paid quarterly or annually rather than paying monthly. They should get what they paid in advance for.

I agree with you on all that.


Goodnight!!

What Fade meant was it is no longer available. Those who were lucky enough to get one still have them and always will as long as they remain in SL and don't cancel the accounts.

fact of the matter is though the original Premium account has to do with stipend/land its not all about it but they would need to lower costs to balanace that out. thus you end up with about 4.95 for them to do away with the stipend by half at any time. If its just about the "land" as the next tier up is 1024 for 5 usd mroe then the premium. WHich leads to the fact that charging 9.95 for jsut the right to own land turn into a critical statement of them overcharging for a premium account to start with and grossly to. lets split this up if its jsut down to land and 5 bucks gets you 1024 then why is the premium account not jsut costing us 2.50? thats over a 300% increase in costs jsut to give the right to get land? hmmmm seems fishy in the context of it not being about stipend then doesnt it?

First Land is a 512. That is covered by the cost of the premium account (the 9.95). First Tier is 512 at $5 USD per month in addition to the monthly premium. A 1024 is $8 USD per month in addition to the monthly premium. First Tier and First Land are not the same thing. You can buy First Land only once. If you are lucky enough to buy a 512 next to your First Land then you can join them and have a 1024 but you are not charged for a 1024 since the First Land 512 is paid for by the premium fee.

However, most people are not that lucky simply because First Land is not always bordered by land that is not designated as First Land. They are usually surrounded but First Land parcels unless they are lucky enough to grab a parcel that is bordered by non First Land parcels. They end up selling thier First Land in order to buy a 1024 parcel and thus end up paying the $8 USD per month in addition to the monthly premium.

even now u proved my point evne though i was wrong slightly on tier stuff but. Look at it this way if its jsut about land and land is only 5 bucks for 512 we are still paying double that just to get the first 512 does that make sense then? in that case it should be 5 for a premium and work from there otherwise it seems fishy!

No, because you aren't just paying for the First Land with your premium fee. You're paying for the stipend, access to SL, etc. You really can't seperate First Land from the rest unless you don't buy it. If you don't buy it then the First Land is a moot point. You're still paying for the right to own land and the rest of the package. Any tier fees are above and beyond that.

Upgrade to premium to own your own land.

http://secondlife.com/_img/buttons/cm_upgrade.jpg

Blah, anyway, we pay for land AND stipend.
so everybody is happy

Oh well. Not that the nickel they give out is worth a shit anyways. Just looks pretty damn greedy in my eyes. All for them nothing for an incentive to have fun in SL. Yeah that will work out great