Issues with new evet posting system

Jaz -

I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. What does event hosting have to do with the deeding of a parcel?

Its late, and maybe I'm just being dense... but I'm not understanding what you mean... the Lindens might not either

Travis

EDIT: Just tried to post an event. Now I see what Jaz is referring to: It appears the Lindens have changed the event post tool to only allow events posted to a specific location that you are a group member of.

Hopefully more details as to this change are to follow

I completely agree we have many hosts who post many events for Paradise Island and guess what nobody here but the land owner can post now. We have games and events to run here and this new system is not i repeat not going to work. I spoke with a Linden and all i get is bug report it. That does not solve the problem.

Yep - just poked around a little more. This is a problem... I'm kinda surprised there's no post in the announcements forum regarding it.

I posted a hotline thread regarding this - with these observations:

-Once an event is posted, the time/date can no longer be changed, without retyping the event.

This is a problem because: For recurring events - the event could easily be "cut" and "pasted" into a new date by editing the event, and changing the date. This can no longer be done. For example, my game show is every Sun/Tues/Thurs.... after each show, I would go in and change the event date to the next day. Now the entire event must be retyped each time.

Potential Solution: Allow me to edit into the future, or give me a way to copy/paste events into future dates, or allow me to set 'recurrance' when I post the initial event.

-Coordinates can no longer be selected - you must select a location from a dropdown of fixed choices

Problem/Question: How is this list populated? What about my hosts? How can I assure that they will have my location in their list? (My land is not group owned).

The coordinates for my location don't appear to be my landing point, and the name appears to have been manually typed in. Where was this generated from, and what if I'd like my permanant coordinates to be slightly different (closer to the door, for example)?

Potential Solution: Tie the coordinates to the landing point, or allow me to contact support to have them changed.

-(Assumption): Event location will only show up for the land owner, and the members of group that is "associated" to the land.

Problem: This creates a contention between associating a group to land for "Autoreturn" purposes, and now the need to associate a group to the land for "Event Hosting" purposes. These groups can potentially be mutually exclusive, creating a new issue.

Potential Solution: Create a seperate land permissions tab for 'authorized hosts', or create a section on the secondlife.com page where landowners can specify authorized hosts allowed to use the event webform.


Hopefully these changes aren't "done" - and what we're seeing is the the first step of something better. (Tryin to be positive )

I dont get this new system at all I was trying to post a GIANT SNAIL RACE in manhattan in hawthorn i'm an officer in the group that its deeded to but iCouldn't find any place near there in the listing I saw under places you can hold events at. And making changes is impossible now unless you retype the whole thing that um,.. can u say Blows? oh figured it out thegroiups i was in didnt have land deeded to them but still this can't be a good thing

I am one of paradise host that do a lot of events for them but could not post for the event tonight at 9:30 pm this was a problem because we rely on posting to attract a lot of our crowd. I feel this messed us up tonight because of this, so could u guys plz fix it back or come up with a diffrent way to do this. Not to mention i have all most every tag there is to have but still can not post from officer all the way down to dancer.

I have an island with a large number of vendors I have the island deeded to my vendor group to keep exessive garbage and litter off the property I use auto return. NO my hosts are not part of my vendor group they are part of the group for hosting to maintain that annoucements of a posting to that group and not on my retail vendors.
This new posting thing is sooooo not going to work. First take away all support for events then make it impossible to post. Hello what are you trying to do to us ???

This better be a glitch or some TPA report that got miss filed cause its just dumb and lame. I have always taken the punches and worked with changes no matter how sudden and unplanned. This is just getting annoying... I pay 10k-20 a day of event hosting and prize payouts even more. I have never been out to make rl money off this game just provide a fun venue for gamers to enjoy like many other establishments. I know I again will restructure and make it through its what I do but Im sick of watching friends struggle, other good venues fold up, and long time players quit because of another lame change. Im so frustrated x.x why first support, then they take down the leaders board o.o, and now event support x.x why why why

I heartily endorse what Jenna is saying! I'm constantly facing this challenge!

If you don't use the system of switching groups as Jenna explains, you also can't protect yourself from griefer officer recalls, treacherous officer tier pulls, and other nuisances.

In a mall, you often need to put the vendors in a separate group that you switch groups once a week to sweep off the stray prims, otherwise you have all the vendors in your group capable of voting out you, the person who paid for all the land they are using! And the tier! People think by not talking about this, you won't give people ideas, but unless more people speak up about this hideous form of griefing, we will never get LL to end it.

The Lindens recognize their group tools are broken, I've had numerous conversations with them about this, but they don't realize that while they are fixing them -- which I estimate realistically could take up to a year, calculating in bug fixes -- they simply must allow some workarounds.

One is the hosting issue Jenna is discussing. There simply has to be the ability for one group to host an event on another group's or individual's land. For one, this enables groups that exist as service providers, like DJs and radio show hosts and movie projectionists, to come in and provide a mailing list and services on your group land, and you to set your group to their objects they'd like to temp-hold, without making them have to toggle each and every one of their objects to your group -- a nuisance for big set-ups.

I believe that a single parcel should be allowed to be deeded to multigroups, and failing that, another step, which I think would be easy to implement, is to allow the group that owns the land to use the "set-to-group" function for ANY OTHER group, not just have it set automatically to themselves upon purchase.

Currently, when you buy land as an individual, you can set to any group you want (without deeding) to hold the prims or keep out non-group members. You can switch that group to any group you're in at any time just by toggling them. A group-owned land should also have that flexibility. Currently you are forced to keep that group that bought it as the only set-group unless you sell it to yourself for $0 in the other group (always a risky venture given all the vicious land scanners and chance for errors).

Please, Linden Labs, stop trying to hobble the commerce in this game! I can't imagine what the reasoning was for putting in these event requirements. If anything, it seems that some of the tekki wiki voices prevailed who hate clubs, malls, contests, etc. -- the whole mass culture that forms the life-blood of this game. If that's the case, they should get over themselves quick.

As for autoreturn, the whole reason why we end up turning off autoreturn is because of the hobbling of commerce induced by all these group tools! We need to have autoretrun off all week while that merchants' group holds their prims, then, possibly once a week or so, switch ownership through a $0 sale or deeding to an individual in another group, to sweep the prims. I don't even do this anymore because it seems when I've done it a few times I risk getting a note that my tier is messed up and my land will get seized unless I have calculated it to 1 square meter perfectly between groups. Gah, who needs all this.

I think Linden Labs needs to define the concierge's function as being a liaison to work with groups who have group land to temporarily and then permanently solve these problems. Currently, we have an excellent concierge but he is also beset with doing all the technical problems of the game like explaining FPS blah blah and serving as an customer service guy dealing with all issues. If there is a dedicated Linden to deal with land groups, I think we could address many of these chronic nuisances fairly quickly.

this probably is buggy code. ll wouldn't have just changed the event posting mechanism without gathering input from users who host events and letting us know about the changes in the announcements forums as well as motd.

I am totaly not thrilled with this new event posting thing. and I think I also need to add. the multiple group thing I dunno if that would work. yeah maybe. As it stands now in order to have mutiple groups on one property you would have to parcel up the land to the diff groups and what good is that each parcel gets dwell calculated sperately. With the issues I have had with griefers it was suggested that I seperate my mall section and my club section with on diff parcels so that I could have suto return for my vendors but not on the entire island. so all my work bringing traffic to my vendors get partially lost in the mall and though the dwell is not all that much it cuts it down big time if I gotta have 4 or 5 diff dwells on the island.

the new objects list inthe land tools is great and does help quite a bit but the groups I am members of are like centerville merchants because I was a vendor in one of Anshe's malls. no I dont want to hold events at Anshe's mall.

Lets look at another thing I am a mentor and could hold an event at one of the stages or can I ???
Nope I sure cant because I am NOT Governor Linden. Governor Linden is the only one who can post an event at one of the stages wehre mentor and teacher events are supposed to be allowed to be held. I can have on my own land so guess that is the only place I can hold any event.
I fight for the ability to bring traffic to my vendors on a daily basis and I work very hard.
As do many residents and I have hosts who have worked for nothing since LL took away event support.
Variety of events has gone way down because there is no support not because of who can and cannot post the event on a particular property.
Little added item. I am constantly changing where an event is held on my island because of the type of event. so I need to be able to change those coordinates accordingly. bicycle race held in the park. wedding held in the chapel on the other side of the island. dance party held in the club etc etc etc. I think you know what I mean.

It sounds like too much work went into it to be an accident. When you turn green at random, thats buggy code, when the entire event posting system changes that is on purpose. I think they are trying to clean up the event listings by making it harder for people to post them.

you're accussing the lindens of foolishly trying to use technology to force social changes

oh

yes well

good point

moving on

Brilliant analysis, Kasandra.

I, too, think it is no accident, comrade.

I think the Lindens have a certain squeamishness, taken as a whole, of clubs, malls, sexy avatar contests, and the like. They really don't like the seamy side of their game. They don't like mass culture. They don't like how it plays in the press.

They're prefer to have utopian dreams of paid-for-life 4096 owners with green pastures and experimental architectural builds for miles, with Cubey Terra hovering above in his kick-ass aircraft, and somebody making some shiny new weapons or gear in a sandbox somewhere, but which they won't shoot off...much.

Honestly, I don't know what is in their head some times, but all these things you're writing about now are things Ihave been writing about or talking to Lindens about for six months. I see it as an allergy to commerce which seriously hobbles the game/metaverse. They need to get over it, quick, if they want customers.

I'd like to see them come forward and explain their logic as to these changes.

For one, we can't really fault them for ending the grants and dwell system. They may well be on their way to doing that. It's painful, but it's necessary because it's socialism that can't last forever because there's no one to pay for it. So the burden has to get redistributed.

If they keep dwell, they need to redo it so there aren't so many shenanigans related to it.

The other day, I tried for the first time to post an event for an lsl class.
I had a hard time even doing so, because the sim I wanted to do it in, i didnt have permission to post events. So I ended up doing it on a friends parcel, They were glad to let me use there land cause that gives them traffic.
Now that ive done one, ive finnaly decided that I can probably handel teaching more,
So naturally Here I am trying to post more events.
Well sense I cant do it on the friends land, The origonal sim I wanted to do it in now works....
Or at least halfway.
I can chose to have My event eather inside a huge solid clock tower, that is basicly the telahub for the sim, Or on the edge of the sim inside a wall.

Screw it I have better things to do.
Sorry to everyone who wanted to learn lsl, I dont have time to spend umpteen hours contacting people and trying to make conditions perfect as far as deeded land and whatnot, Just so i can pick a freggen Halfass vector that still dosnt support setting Z.

Kasandra, meet Khamon, the imp of sarcasm.

I wonder if you are being sarcastic too saying that Lindens are intentionally making it harder to post events. As Khamon sarcastically implied, we don't know what their intentions were as they didn't share their thinking with the community or include us in the process.

Like others, I'm not too pleased with the changes. I frequently used the flexible event coordinates to pinpoint a spot at the event location, such as the rules notecard dispenser or the voting machine - made it so much easier for people to find things! If they are going to automatically fill the coordinates, they should at least let them be set to the landing coordinates of the parcel.

Group management, feh. Groups are so useless. See about 85 other threads on this topic...

Nope, I wasn't being sarcastic. I thought he was serious. Just woke up, leave me alone.

You can always host on land you own. You don't need to make a group for your own land to be listed.

well olmy i can be serious if you want me to be. i've had the impression since november of 2003 that the lindens are hacking at a hobby, conducting a little research, fleshing out their resumes, and having a good time until the whole thing implodes or they individually decide to pursue serious careers.

it's sort of like being in college the first time with all the bills being paid by scholarships or a wealthy aunt. yes you have to work at it, but there's still a lot of free time to enjoy the exciting new atmosphere. and the security of adding grades and odd bits of experience to your resume, along with meeting a lot of well connected people, grants the assurance that bigger and better jobs are out there when you decide you want to go for the gold.

everything, including the subject of this thread, makes sense under this interpretation, and doesn't under any other scenario i can concieve. there. that's as serious as i can be in one twenty-four hour period.

I host 6 or more events a week. And, I've certainly never expected that the land owner would have to DEED me land in order to have fun on it.

Actually, I don't want that kind of responsibility for someone else's possesions. (Can you imagine if someone were to sell another person's land that's deeded to the group you are in? What a drama that would ensue!!)

So, I talked to a Linden in Live Help last night and she told me to bring my concerns to the [email]support@secondlife.com[/email] addy. This morning, I snooped around the forum and found this additional contact information

If you have a specific technical support question, please contact [email]support@secondlife.com[/email] or call 800/860-6990 during business hours (M-F, 8AM-6PM Pacific).

OK.

I didn't know.

Thanks for telling me.

I think it probably makes sense to tier down then, in that case, unless I'm also in the resume-polishing/Trustifarian mode that you describe?

You know, Khamon, what you say suddenly made so many things click into place for me that I realize, I need to simply stop posting on the forums now.

What were they thinking?

Well, if anyone wants a PG park for an event, they can use mine; just let me know and I'll post it.

But I'd rather just let people do their own posting.