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Maxx Monde
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03-09-2005 04:50
**Public Service Announcement:**

The following sim has been placed on >>LAG ALERT<<.

Due to the nature of such events, the proliferation of +3 hoochie hair clubbers, and the unwavering ability of most attendees to max out the floating pool of temp-on-rezz objects for attachments (with bling!), the sim, known as >>WIXOM<< may be under severe script and object stress, resulting in horrendous lag for your client.

If you encounter such problems, its recommended you teleport home, then relog to clear your downstream.

Thank you for your attention.

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Deklax Fairplay
Black Sun
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03-09-2005 06:06
From: Anshe Chung
As much as I like freedom and anarchy, this stop working when scam and fraud begin. In the end it either means that some service will not be provided, such as GOM stopping to serve newbies or me not giving out any loans, or cost of fraud means higher price for every customer. So one low cost contract and contract enforcement system could save much money and problem, also for end customer :-)

Hehe, while their at it maybe they can impliment some form of banrupcy system too along with the BBB - just in case people run up debts at ridiculous interest rates by predatory players that sign contracts with newbies who are unable to pay! ;)

It seems to me that if these 'contracts' had any enforceability (what would happen if you didnt pay? account suspension/cancellation? Real world charges via LL?) its unlikely the system wouldn't be gamed and people screwed. The last thing we want here is a heavily regulated legal system that both bogs down the whole economic process and increases real world risk to a lot of unsuspecting players... Where is the advantage to this for Linden Lab?
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Anshe Chung
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03-09-2005 06:27
From: Deklax Fairplay
Hehe, while their at it maybe they can impliment some form of banrupcy system too along with the BBB - just in case people run up debts at ridiculous interest rates by predatory players that sign contracts with newbies who are unable to pay! ;)

It seems to me that if these 'contracts' had any enforceability (what would happen if you didnt pay? account suspension/cancellation? Real world charges via LL?) its unlikely the system wouldn't be gamed and people screwed. The last thing we want here is a heavily regulated legal system that both bogs down the whole economic process and increases real world risk to a lot of unsuspecting players... Where is the advantage to this for Linden Lab?


Well, risk of loosing all your Second Life property and getting permanently banned with all alt and credit card would at least be one start. It may be enough for most medium size deal with resident who is invested in SL financially or in social way.

I could also imagine an option that allow Second Life residents increase something I would call "RL repercussion tier". Like they agree to give Linden Lab authority to take money RL from them as result of legal ruling within SL. Now I know if somebody from Linden Lab read this, then probably just wants to run really fast and escape the nightmare. But thinking of this... I could even imagine a third party assume this role. Like every SL business person gives 1000 US$ to some trusted party who will then give out some certificate. All people signing up to this submit to contract law and judgement of this entity. And if somebody really screw somebody, then 1000 US$ would be available for compensating victim with funds from offender.

Of course resident company is in weaker position than Linden Lab when it comes to finding proof. There is no access to chat logs, transaction database, alt account info and so on :-(
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Shadetree Mechanique
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03-09-2005 06:42
I'm glad I read further in this thread, I'm sick of all the Anshe bashing. She's found a way to do business that works for her. Carry on, Anshe, more power to ya. :D
Maxx Monde
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03-09-2005 07:25
From: Shadetree Mechanique
I'm glad I read further in this thread, I'm sick of all the Anshe bashing. She's found a way to do business that works for her. Carry on, Anshe, more power to ya. :D


I applaud her role in warning the rest of SL about impending lag-holes. Here at the Green Grid monitoring program, we look for such proactive statements that allow us, the often abused members of second life, to learn of such hazards early in time to plan our routes and avoid the lagstorm.

More people can learn from this action - it will help us all avoid the dreaded lag-hole.

Remember - friends don't let friends fall into lag.

:)
Strangeweather Bomazi
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03-09-2005 09:17
From: Anshe Chung
Well, risk of loosing all your Second Life property and getting permanently banned with all alt and credit card would at least be one start. It may be enough for most medium size deal with resident who is invested in SL financially or in social way.


This is plausible.

From: Anshe Chung
I could also imagine an option that allow Second Life residents increase something I would call "RL repercussion tier". Like they agree to give Linden Lab authority to take money RL from them as result of legal ruling within SL. Now I know if somebody from Linden Lab read this, then probably just wants to run really fast and escape the nightmare. But thinking of this... I could even imagine a third party assume this role. Like every SL business person gives 1000 US$ to some trusted party who will then give out some certificate. All people signing up to this submit to contract law and judgement of this entity. And if somebody really screw somebody, then 1000 US$ would be available for compensating victim with funds from offender.


This is complete overkill for SL. If you want to sign a real life contract with real life escrow, sign it in real life.
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Deklax Fairplay
Black Sun
Join date: 2 Jul 2004
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03-09-2005 10:41
From: Anshe Chung
I could even imagine a third party assume this role. Like every SL business person gives 1000 US$ to some trusted party who will then give out some certificate. All people signing up to this submit to contract law and judgement of this entity. And if somebody really screw somebody, then 1000 US$ would be available for compensating victim with funds from offender.

Of course resident company is in weaker position than Linden Lab when it comes to finding proof. There is no access to chat logs, transaction database, alt account info and so on :-(
As a third party service I think this could be a very significant idea, if something could be worked out with the Lindens to give it some sort of legitimacy and a decent amount of business people in SL had no problem signing a RL contract over said service. For it to work they would still need to be bound together in the real world to protect the business people as much as the service provider from fraud.

I would like to see a large percentage of the initial deposit refunded if the service is no longer required or membership is revoked. For the consumer though, this could have real benefits while sorting through all the 'merchandise' out there. Just look for Anshe's Seal of Approval!
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Persephone Phoenix
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03-09-2005 11:16
Very funny Maxx. ;-D *is combating lag at the spa by gradually removing the less conspicuously absent of underlay water from my waterfall*... but hey! won't 1.6 deal with lots of that lag? Hair is supposed to rez faster. If I connect my waterfall and link it, won't it cause less lag as well? *scratches her head and crosses fingers for expert advice*

From: Maxx Monde
**Public Service Announcement:**

The following sim has been placed on >>LAG ALERT<<.

Due to the nature of such events, the proliferation of +3 hoochie hair clubbers, and the unwavering ability of most attendees to max out the floating pool of temp-on-rezz objects for attachments (with bling!), the sim, known as >>WIXOM<< may be under severe script and object stress, resulting in horrendous lag for your client.

If you encounter such problems, its recommended you teleport home, then relog to clear your downstream.

Thank you for your attention.

**End of Public Service Announcement**

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03-09-2005 19:29
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Pham Neutra
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03-09-2005 21:19
From: Anshe Chung
Well, risk of loosing all your Second Life property and getting permanently banned with all alt and credit card would at least be one start. It may be enough for most medium size deal with resident who is invested in SL financially or in social way.

I could also imagine an option that allow Second Life residents increase something I would call "RL repercussion tier". Like they agree to give Linden Lab authority to take money RL from them as result of legal ruling within SL. [...] (
obviously there is some interest in SL in bringing at least some laws to the (mostly) lawless society of Second Life (look here /120/83/37945/1.html too). this interest is understandable especially if you have been the victim of fraud or breaches of contract. but this is not easy (even if the majority of residents would aggree - which i am not sure of). the discussion here and in other threads focuses mostly on "what laws should be applicable?" and "how could you enforce them?" but ...

anshe, the problem is NOT in the implementation of an effective "punishment" system (one, which really hurts). that would be rather easy for the Lindens to do. its just ... when you want to "bring the law" to a society, that has none, you don't only need written laws and some way of punishment to enforce it. you need justice too. and justice does not come from laws alone.

you have to have a court, you have to have judges (maybe even lawyers; LOL) you even have to have an appeals court and all that. why? because most often the situation in such disputes is not that clear as each of the participants likes to see it. it is NOT as simple as "A and B aggreed on a contract, B breached the contract, so B has to pay/be punished". it nearly never is that simple in RL. why should it be in SL?

the judicial system of a civilized society is a very complex - and very expensive - system with elaborate processes. and this is not by accident. finding justice is a complicated process if you want to do it fair, with identical rights for all and all that ... having laws is just one small part of it. and such a system costs money.

granted, if LL logs every movement, every word i speak (which i don't know, if they do) the gathering of evidence would be easier. but in court a lot of time often is not spend with proving, what someone has said and done, but "what did they MEAN exactly in saying this?". "did he act in good faith?" etc. even is someone "is found guilty", the next question arises: "what would be the appropriate punishement in relation to other crimes?"

finding "just" answers to these questions in RL costs a lot of money because there are a lot of people involved in it and it usually takes quite some time to find a ruling. we pay for that with our taxes.

why couldn't we do that in SL too? because the SL economy just isn't big enough to support this! in RL just a small pervantage of all taxes is used for the judicial system (even thoigh the absolute sum is large). but imagine a deal like the one Anshe described which amounts to something around 500$. can you imagine what it means if such a deal is investigated by a court (in SL or RL? the resulting cost for the resolvement of the dispute would soon be much greater than all the money that is at stake!

and no, i don't think the people involved in such a system would accept 200 L$/hour. they would want to be paid in real money - don't matter if this if financed by the Lindens or some resident-organized thing.
Smigmee Pinkerton
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03-10-2005 07:53
Anshe is only one of the amazing forces in the SL economy. I have read many articles about her and I think all can take an example from her business sense.

Someone compared Anshe to Microsoft? I think its a little extreme comparing an "in game business tycoon" to someone who dropped out of school at grade 9 and created DOS for fun with his friends. (i dont think people realize how serious that was.. but you SLers probably do :) Anyways I think its great that Anshe is broadening her horizons and i wish the best of luck to her. She leads the way for many other tycoons in the future. Keep it up

Gotta love Anshe watch.!! someone should make a website. Muahahaha
Alby Yellowknife
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03-10-2005 08:06
Anshe is an SL Tycoon.... More Power 2 Her...
Buster Peel
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03-10-2005 10:25
From: Smigmee Pinkerton
Someone compared Anshe to Microsoft?


Actually I think Anshe is the Donald Trump of SL.

Buster
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03-10-2005 11:36
But I don't laugh at Anshe's hair.
Catherine Cotton
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03-11-2005 07:29
Just another sex club run by another dom so whats the news here?

Anshe thanks for removing the dildo, i think some go a little far in the sex trade business in sl. Glad to see that you are listening to what ppl find offensive to some degree.

Good luck
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