Anshe Chung has bought XXX

Well the really scary side of the Anshe Chung Saga is that Prokofy Neva is one of her alts. Cristiano is an Anshe alt too. And so am I.

And she's actually a Swedish male truck driver named Björn, whose eldest son is the person behind Sensual Casanova.

Ok, now you can start screaming.

And I'm Sensual's mother. Now be scared.

Hey now!

this thread turned out to be fun!

Just out of curiousity...



What kind of arrangements? Do you mean you cleaned up some lag causing scripts/objects/AV's

If you're her mother, then who's her daddy?

Sensual? Tell us, who's your daddy?









(and what does he do?)

He's a truck driver - read the thread!

Oh and XXX has been closed...

Well, that'll fix lag for sure.

well, sounds like a proper soultion to eliminating lag.



I love happy endings

LOL Owen you should post more often, it always makes me laugh out loud.

Have a picture if you're interested...

http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=818

Moving to Wixom Wild West village. Come join us there, it is fun!

Actually, Anshe, Cristiano & al. are just Alts of the Evil Artificial Intelligence program that poses as Philip Linden and is poised to take over the world and use us as his mindless slaves.

Now you know.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Note to self: Wixom is the new lag-hole.

Thanks for the warning!

I bought XXX with explicit promise from Michael Phaeton that the previous owners would not be opening another club. I was also promised the XXX groups to include 20 active event hosts.

After handover I had to find out that the groups that were handed to me did not include the hosts. Soon after Dark Secrets appeared.

Oh, what fun it is to live in a land without contract law. And it's not coming any time soon. In the mean time, at least we need a kind of Better Business Bureau where people who renege on their pledges or commit fraud or other grievious offenses really not covered by the TOS (i.e. the TOS doesn't say you cannot sell someone a $25,000-limit casino came under the false price of $50,000, and doesn't say you can't pull your tier out of a group without prior notice)

With a BBB, a business can be investigated publicly and the information posted so that others can protect themselves and not do business with them. I think that would be a better solution for this world than cumbersome RL-court procedures that no one will concede to anyway.

I guess this explains the announcement yesterday that all the XXX merchants were being turfed out and refunded.

Wixom isn't a lag-hole yet, and perhaps if the vendors follow the excellent example set by the Fairytude Mall next door, which hands out free LIGHT-KILL script and asks all vendors to insert it into lighted objects, we might reduce lag.

P.S. Anshe Chung isn't my alt. She is my long-lost half-sister, however. There was that night in Kharbin, the long trek over the snowy mountains, one step a head of the Bolsheviks, then that lonely, cold train ride with only that watery Soviet tea with Cuban sugar -- and then unspeakable horrors, brutal separation, no news for decades.... My late father never talked about it much and we are still waiting to get his cell-mate's memoirs translated from the Uighur so we can find out what happened...what *is* known, however, is that we have the same DNA : )

Just bumping the thread, as I feel Anshe doesn't get enough attention

--Jack Lambert

as more and more people are using SL do conduct real business, i thinks the lack of any kind of contract law will become more and more of a problem. closing the deal with a virtual handshake is fine. but if real money comes into play and you are dealing with people, who 1.) think lying and cheating is "clever" (besides, "everyone does it, or?" and 2.) can't be made liable in any effective way, to much reliance on "honor" will be become very risky.

a BBB is not a bad idea per se. but it won't be easy to install. as soon as information about past business practices is "on register" there will be disputes on "what really happened" and such. at least some administrative, technical support would be needed to make something like a BBB viable. a way for example, how two business partners could document a contract in a way no one can tamper with it. maybe a feature like the "proposal to a partner" which can be found in SL already?

and - lets be reasonable - as soon as we are talking about "real money", not the still relatively modest sums in question just now, we won't deal with "residents" any more but with real people. Without any way to enforce a contract, no sane businessman (or business girl) will pump six figure sums into some SL project.

ROTFL. More of this, please!

i don't really like the design and textures of club XXX.

(and some other clubs wich i really think 'OMFG' when i look at the building and textures)

Is anything stopping you from hiring a RL lawyer to work contracts out with your business partners in the real world?

P.S. Go Anshe Go!

*pops into the forums to check what's up*

*sighs*

*disappears again*

I think I'll return to SL when 1.6 is released with the ability to sell land including contents. That is the only reason I could have for returning to the real estate business. Especially after reading (only a portion) of this thread.

nothing, LOL. you should see may lawyers bills. they prove it. i am not sure exactly what you want to tell me with that!?

the function of a lawyer in that process is (/idealization begin/
1. to help me understand what it means what the other side is suggesting for the contract, in the light of governing laws,
2. to help me in formulating what i am intending to say (in the contract) in a way that a court would understand (nearly) the same way - if it comes to dispute. /idealization end/

but ... there is not governing law in SL (aside from a few simple rules like the TOS, which are not suited to business). no way to enforce a contract. hence no lawyers - which might be a good thing some people would say ; not me though - my little sis is one.

but if you mean "working out the contract" with someone in RL with whom i am doing business in SL (not sure whet you intended to say, sorry) ... how? a lot of people i might probably do business with would prefer to hide their RL identity. a lot of them would be based in the US. i m in europe. clearing out a contract dispute between partners on different continents is ... no fun at all, i tell ya. did it twice.

i was thinking about something much more simple for SL. no juristiction, LOL.some way to have an aggreement on file in a way that no one can tamper with it and it is documented, that the two parties really aggreed on it (like the proposal system). then if it comes to a dispute - which happens - at least in some cases (its not always that easy) i could prove that a contract has been breached. still no way to enforce it. but maybe useful information for others doing business in SL... nothing more.

but i just happen to realize, that maybe we are in the wrong thread ... oops.

So you want the lindens to set up an in game legal system to negotiate contract deals for you even when you already have perfectly good access and experience to real world professionals that can do the same for you?

I think you should have learned by now they arn't about catering to your every need.

If the problem is one of anonymity then I have no answer, except that your original commentary seemed to suggest 'six figure sums', and I wasn't aware you were that rich. I'd at least like to meet them or know their real name if I was doing business (even virtual) like that. Maybe thats just me.

uggh? i thought i said explicitely that i don't want this and don't think it would work?! ("no jurisdiction, LOL. some way to have an aggreement on file in a way that no one can tamper with it"

and i said further up (i thought) that i don't think the bigger projects would be with contracts between SL residents but between RL persons?!

i think we should leave it at that, Deklax. the topic (or my lack of communication skills) seems to lead to a lot of misunderstandings. i am sorry for that.

I think Second Life and its economy is a lot about micro-payment and doing small transaction and business deal without all big overhead that slow down real life economy. Just look at topic of this thread. This was 200000 L$ transaction, about half of which was not land value. So we talk about 400 US$. That is much money, but compared to cost of lawyers it is peanut money. Especially when one party sits in Europe and other party in USA.

So we definitely need some contract system within Second Life. And ways to enforce it. The first step would be to have contract just to make facts clear and leave enforcement to community/reputation. The second step would be to have some institution to judge if contracts have been fullfilled or not. Maybe player institutions as first instance and Linden Lab for appeal and complaints about the player institutions. And last step would be enforcement/punishment.

As much as I like freedom and anarchy, this stop working when scam and fraud begin. In the end it either means that some service will not be provided, such as GOM stopping to serve newbies or me not giving out any loans, or cost of fraud means higher price for every customer. So one low cost contract and contract enforcement system could save much money and problem, also for end customer

makes sense. couldn't aggree more.yep, thats what i meant with "as soon as we are talking about "real money"". small, direct payments (a few hundred L$) meant as a payment for some goods or precisely defined service are not a problem, the implicit contract is well defined. very big projects (still not in existence) won't be a problem, because i cannot see, how these will be negotiated without knowing the identities in RL. its the medium size transactions (medium in real world terms) which need some "more support in the system".

i aggree with the first step. that would be relatively easy to implement and not be a big burden for Linden Labs. they would simply supply the service and won't be "party" of the contract. no hassle. LL has absolutely no interest in getting "involved" in SL deals. i don't think their business model could support this.

the second step is harder, much harder to implement. because if you have enforcement, you would need jurisdiction too, appeals and all that. (otherwise you get a tyranny.) gets mighty complex soon. i doubt, if we will see this any time soon, if ever. some "obudsman" system might work, though. and something like teh BBB mentioned above.

yes. emphatically yes. especially for the end consumer. social systems with to much "freedom" or anarchy usually favour the mighty ones. the general movement with social systems from "rule of power" to "rule of law" that you see in RL for the last few hundred years had the intent to protect the weak - and thus give them the oppurtunity and a motivation to contribute more; especially more creativity.

there is a fine line and a very delicate balance between a small set of some sensible rules and the beginnings of "over-regulation" - which can be found in most european countries; though...