Should the following kinds of threats be allowed?

Simple question...



Should these kind of threats...err..."warnings" be allowed on this forum? What is your personal opinion?

Definitely not. Were it anyone else they would have been banned by now over the tirade that has been directed at Ginko over the last few days.

Hopefully at some stage LL will wake up to the unpalatable fact that tolerating such totally unacceptable behaviour on the part of someone - even if they are the biggest single customer of LL - is detrimental to LL's public image and furthermore seems only to encourage this individual's increasingly out of control public behaviour.

Seems someone peed in her Wheaties this morning...

She can say pretty much what she wants here without any backlash from LL. That has been apparent for quite sometime. You will also see her hotline questions being answered with lightning speed where others have never been answered...

The capitalists will say she's above the law because she could ruin the SL economy at the flick of a siwtch.

The rally-rousing socialists will say she's above the law because she's FIC.

The Lindens won't say anything, partly because they stay out of stuff like this, and partly because she foots some of their paycheck.

The rest of us won't say much because she's not really affecting us one way or the other.

Furthermore, the day she can follow through on her threats and *not* get permabanned/a ruined reputation beyond repair is the day I go hogshit wild on the grid

Chairman Mao signs and Zombies for everyone...

LF

You know .. yesterday on NPR they had a piece about the trend in sports teams to no longer tolerate bad behavior by their "stars" .... and that the fans were tired of bad behavior. That the "team first" teams seemed to be doing better, on the whole.

Now, I can't remember much more than that .... it was about /sports/ so I was only half listening.

But I find myself seeing the same conclusion at some point in the future ... the "star" will get shot ... err ... I mean /shut/ down, because their actions are no longer balanced by the benefit they bring.

Every relationship is an ever changing equation ... plus' and minus' ... and as long as, on balance, the plus' are greater than the minus' ... the relationship can continue. But eventually, if the scales tip the other way .... its as good as over.

Are those scales beginning to tip now?

LL .. wake up and smell the coffee .. or is it that you cant smell coffee because of the /other/ aromas in your noses? The fans are tired of the star getting preferential treatment.

I don't blame any particular business girl or guy per se for this fiasco -- I feel that everyone applies the ethics that they're comfortable with to their business dealings. If someone else (me, for example) is not OK with those ethics, then we choose someone else to deal with.

On the other hand, LL has put another brick in the wall towards totally destroying any shred of credibility that they have left.

I am a relative newbie, but the actions (and inactions) of LL even over the last couple-three months have destroyed my respect for their management.

First, the FIC doesn't exist. Then, it does exist, but it so what, it doesn't benefit "the core." Then, well, yes, we do look to "core members" when we have a fat, juicy contract to award (because they have "proven ability", don'tcha know). Then, oh, and by the way, we hire a good number of our employees from the core (where they are in the position to perpetuate the system-that-is-not-a-system).

Next, Oops! We have communications problems with GOM, but we just can't seem to get a chance to get it worked out. But by the way, we are going to open our own exchange! Oh, but GOM, we're not trying to put you out of business ... sorry we can't seem to get the communications snafu worked out.

Next, let's do some land dumping to get prices down. About 100 new sims in a month, say? Will that adversely affect the businesses of those who we depend on to (A) put up the capital and (B) to put in the work to repackage the sim in a reasonable form for the market? Well, we don't get involved in that. Oh, by the way, we are starting up our own SL Realty - Surreality! But we are not trying to put the "land barons" out of business. Sorry about those low profit margins, but we still have to start the sim bidding at US$ 1000, no way around that. Of course, we'll set our own prices irregardless of the resale market.

And now this. Motives aside, the original post in the Gingko thread violated the community standards in at least 3 clear points. The dual standard is plainer than it has ever been.

So here is my conspiracy theory du jour: SOMEONE is going to open a bank in SL. I'm betting I know "who" it will be. Paving the way for this new bank will be (or is being?) done by LL and the FIC. See, it wouldn't do to have a premier corporate customer try to come into a market offering an inferior interest rate. Maybe ... a risk angle ... yeah, that's the ticket! Something like, "We are <insert your best guess well-known brand name bank here>, the competition is a reputed Ponzi schemer! Where would you rather have your money?"

Even if the choice were between <insert your best guess well-known brand name bank here> who seems completely out of control, and a PROVEN Ponzi schemer - I'd go for the Ponzi schemer every time.

With a Ponzi scheme you can still make money if you are lucky.

With the person who runs <insert your best guess well-known brand name bank here> you are in real trouble from word one, bearing in mind their current behaviour and the demonstrated fact that LL is unable or unwilling to keep their wilder excesses in check.

Great summary, Templar. Thanks.

I've never really had anything against Anshe. In fact, most of the land that is now our beloved Chatelaine has been bought from her.

But I am growing increasingly worried about her complete immunity and power she has over the Linden Labs and the game, to the point that I am worried about my own future in SL.

What if Anshe decides she wants to open the largest, best casino or amusement park in SL. Am I in danger of being targetted by her and completely slandered and destroyed with impunity and a blind eye by Linden Labs if she goes after the top casino or amusement park operators sometime in the future?

I'm being serious. And I'm being honest. I am truly worried here at what I see being perpetuated in the GINKO matter, and I do honesty worry that if she can get away with this horrific attack with total immunity from following any of the rules that the rest of us have to abide by, then who's next on her list?

Anshe's posts are against TOS and its a disgrace that she has not been censured. Shame on you LL.

Alexa

Temper tantrum. I'm used to it... I have grandchildren.

Just an observation. Has anyone noticed how many of the Ginko defenders have in world birth dates of September 2005? Lots of very well informed newbies. It's good that people who've only been in the game a little while already have such strong grasps on the economy and history of different people and businesses. Shows how well informed people are getting so, so, amazingly quickly.

Looks at own birthdate, well no, especially when ginko has been running well since your birth date, many companies on sl use newer employies or accounts created for the purpose of doing different activities, like ige has many accounts, as well as slexchange has exchange street, ginko has their own set of avatars to hold money and then there are various employees.

This is the 2nd or 3rd time you've make this comment. What's your point?

For one, I am not a Newbie anymore, maybe in my first two weeks I was, I grasped SL pretty quick, and economy is just economy, no matter where you are.

As long as you do your research, and look into the facts that are presented right in front of your face, it does not take long at all, as you said, it is economy after all, and all of us being adults here, we know how we are spending our money, and the risks that we take without a Net Nanny trying to look over our shoulders. Anyway, as Jeska has said in another thread that this one seems to be traveling down, maybe we should just let these threads die, as they are not being very constructive anymore.

Dogspot, I believe Nathan has made my point. In RL I'm a driver for UPS. UPS is publicly traded. UPS employees, even drivers, are not allowed to make statements concerning UPS's financial status. Any statement could be seen as official company information, which, if not correct could lead to fines or lawsuits by investors. If you want people to feel more secure with Ginko, I think it would be a good idea for any one who is posting information about the enterprise, to state their connection plainly. If you work for Ginko, say so in your posts. If you are an avatar for some one who is connected with Ginko, say so. I'm not connected to Ginko in any way. My only connection to Anshe Chung is that I have a plot in Dreamland. I have two alts that I used to form a group to buy that plot. Etienne Gascoigne and Michel Gascoigne. Neither of whom has ever posted anything on the forums. See, a little disclosure can be a good thing.

I work tech support for Ginko Financial myself, so I help resolve issues with people's Ginko accounts if there is an error, and I do it rather quickly. Not only have I invested my money into Ginko, but my image as well, and I am well aware of all of my risks. I have one alt, that is not even signed up for the forums, and I have not even logged into for the past month, and I do not think I will use it anymore, as I have been too busy ever since I was hired for Ginko.

Edit: And yes, I do have infomation regarding people's accounts, but that is not something I would disclose, and that none of our team would, having worked at a bank previously RL, I know the importance of privilaged information.

Well, you can believe me or not, but no employee gets paid via bank profits, and it all goes into our sims so we can build things. Things that do stuff.

I'm willing to give you a tour around our sim, and show off our little hard workers in action if you want to know about us personally. Heck, in the old days we couldn't stop Hino from giving tours of our builds when ever someone had the misfourtune to step with'n the area.

A newer employee of a company could also include a financial officer or various people in the finance team, if the company gets larger than the original founders it may well need to take on people to manage such duties as all companies do including linden

NO - it's very unprofessional of LL to tolerate this type of "...vield..." threat.

Yes they should. Why shouldn't AnsheChung.com be able to threaten to destroy Ginko Financial? If either of these companies screwed their customers, LL would do nothing. Welcome to capitalism, people. The very people who defend a system that has NO oversight on business matters in SL want the Lindens to censor the speech of those who say things they don't like. If it's a violation of the TOS, then it should be investigated and action taken. If it's one company threatening another, I say welcome to capitalism! You can't have it both ways, businesses being protected against the speech of other businesses, but individuals are on their own?

As per policy by LL, no, it should not.

Basic Forum Policies and Etiquette

Private discussions – the forums are a public area for the Second Life community’s use. Individuals who have a dispute with each other have other channels of communication to discuss their differences or communicate – private messaging, IM within Second Life, or chatting within Second Life. Also, threads that are addressed to a single individual or group are inappropriate on the forums, this includes slander or "naming names" in a posts title, starting polls about a particular resident or group, etc

So this thread is a violation of the rules? If Saul had a problem with Anshe's post he should have used other means of communication to let her know? Or reported it to LL? Just look at the titles of threads in the "Land and Economy" forum. How many of them have the words Anshe or Dreamland or Ginko in their titles? All of those are against the rules? Wow, I can't believe LL is so lax.

From a TOS violation pov, you have to ask yourself the question.. was Anshe's post as Anshe the individual or as Anshe the CEO/CFO of AnsheChung.com? If the former, she has defintiely violated TOS. If the latter, she has merely declared "business war" and could thus be considered exempt from TOS as she is not speaking as an individual communicating a threat, but rather as a "corporate head" taking aim on a (potential?) competitor.

2 very useless Linden cents.

PLEASE NOTE!

The born date in the forum profile is NOT the date someone first went into Second Life. Look at my profile on the forum, and then look at my profile in Second Life, two different birthdates.

The birthdate in the forum reflects the date that somebody first logged in here. I am not a regular forum-goer, and I didn't log into the forums until I was in Second Life for about two months.

just wanted to throw this out here, to put some perspective on the whole "inexperience" issue.

CCC