Rating Decay?
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feniks Stone
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02-10-2005 16:05
From: someone When we recent recently undertook to reform the ratings and event support systems, many Residents brought up questions about one thing we left out:* old ratings.* Many longtime Residents are carrying ratings (positive and negative) given by Residents who are no longer a part of the Community in a time when Second Life had different rules and a different economy.* These older ratings no longer accurately reflect the realities of Second Life.
Starting February 16, and continuing thereafter, positive and negative ratings older than six months will decay and disappear from ratings totals.* This change will have the benefit of making more recent ratings more meaningful and representative, while also making those ugly negatives a little less permanent Well hmm... Does the second paragraph refer to those rates of people no longer inworld, or all ratings, current residents or not? fen-
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Siobhan Taylor
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02-10-2005 16:11
From: feniks Stone From: someone Starting February 16, and continuing thereafter, positive and negative ratings older than six months will decay and disappear from ratings totals.* This change will have the benefit of making more recent ratings more meaningful and representative, while also making those ugly negatives a little less permanent
Well hmm...
Does the second paragraph refer to those rates of people no longer inworld, or all ratings, current residents or not?
Well hmm... Does the second paragraph refer to those rates of people no longer inworld, or all ratings, current residents or not? I really hope so. of all the ideas about the ratings system so far, this seems the best... Sure, it'll hurt me short term, but assuming they can prevent rate mining, I'll be back up there eventually ... if I'm good enough that is...
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Siobhan Taylor
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02-10-2005 16:14
However, I'd like to propose that mltiple ratings by the same person, i.e. via alts... be decayed faster, if not immediately.
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Cutter Rubio
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02-10-2005 16:16
My guess is this is going to cut stipends even further, as over the next few months, your current rating counts will drop dramatically due to the high number of ratings received prior to the rating cost increase. People will build ratings very slowly, if at all, and the old ones will disappear pretty fast.
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Siobhan Taylor
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02-10-2005 16:20
And?
OK, I enjoyed them, but they were unfairly biased towards older players.... However, rate mining still occurs, I know, I've seen it... so it'll still be unfair, but hey, they fixed part of it.... now all the top 30 builders will be dancers rather than 9 out of the top 10.
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Talen Morgan
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02-10-2005 16:30
GET RID OF THE RATINGS SYSTEM NOW It is completely useless and adding decay just says that you know it is too. |
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Malachi Petunia
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02-10-2005 19:04
What Talen said. Should we expect inventory decay next?  |
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Eggy Lippmann
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02-10-2005 19:11
Thank you LL.
It's good to know that all the work I did in the past no longer means anything to you.
This will just serve to FURTHER reinforce the RATE MINERS who are willing to freaking go around the world rating everyone they see.
I have only 400 ratings and they were PAINSTAKINGLY ACCUMULATED throughout the past two years or so.
And here I was thinking that being a loyal customer was of some value to LL.
I cant really see why you should reward the last six months out of two years.
If there hadnt been people here before those six months, the current batch of noobies would not have had a world to see.
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Loki Pico
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02-10-2005 19:39
There two threads on this topic currently active. My concerns about a current six month rating is that those that really want to be rated highly will actively lobby for ratings and game the system. And, I will have to keep up with the people I feel really deserve a good rating and go back and rerate them every six months. If I rate someone for building, I doubt their skill will deminish in six months, I dont want to have to go back and make sure those deserving of my rating stay current.
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Eggy Lippmann
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02-10-2005 19:41
The only ratings that expire are the ones belonging to dead accounts.
So if you taught a class of 30 people who all rated you and 29 decided that SL was boring in a period of six months... you got one rating.
Woohoo. Now it's my fault that people are fickle, and my work just got an expiration date.
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Loki Pico
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02-10-2005 19:45
Well, Robin said this... "Starting February 16, and continuing thereafter, positive and negative ratings older than six months will decay and disappear from ratings totals."
There is nothing about the ratings coming from people that are no longer here. The way this reads, you only keep the ratings from the current six month period. Thats my concern, Im not sure I am understanding it fully.
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Eggy Lippmann
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02-10-2005 19:54
"given by Residents who are no longer a part of the Community"
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Chicago Kent
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02-10-2005 20:31
From: Cutter Rubio My guess is this is going to cut stipends even further, as over the next few months, your current rating counts will drop dramatically due to the high number of ratings received prior to the rating cost increase. People will build ratings very slowly, if at all, and the old ones will disappear pretty fast. Cutter, There is no free money. We should not rely on LL for stipends and handouts. Obviously, after reading my thread today, /120/bd/35519/1.html , Phillip Linden decided to act to preserve the free market and took this step. I hope that he will continue this renewed drive toward the free market. We should not be relying on LL for handouts. Sincerely, Chicago Kent |
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Loki Pico
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02-10-2005 20:42
I dont care about the bonus related to the ratings earned. I give ratings when I feel they are deserved as an aid to build a persons overall reputation. If we are going to have a ratings system, the ratings I give should should be worth my giving them out.
I am still slow on this topic, I dont understand if the ratings will reflect the current six month period across the board or if only the ratings from retired, no longer in world residents, will be the ones that are effected.
Its not about earning bonuses, its about making a persons reputation known.
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Magnum Serpentine
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02-10-2005 21:59
From: Siobhan Taylor I really hope so. of all the ideas about the ratings system so far, this seems the best...
Sure, it'll hurt me short term, but assuming they can prevent rate mining, I'll be back up there eventually ... if I'm good enough that is... It means that the money exchangers will get even more filthy rich. They screamed because their precious linden dollars were loosing value, a loss, I might add, that was natural and then they screamed and the Lindens listened and overnight the Linden Dollar rose by 35% and it is still climbing. Yes I am extremely angery. |
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Magnum Serpentine
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02-10-2005 22:00
From: Cutter Rubio My guess is this is going to cut stipends even further, as over the next few months, your current rating counts will drop dramatically due to the high number of ratings received prior to the rating cost increase. People will build ratings very slowly, if at all, and the old ones will disappear pretty fast. And the Money Exchangers will get richer, and richer and richer and richer and richer. |
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Magnum Serpentine
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02-10-2005 22:02
From: Siobhan Taylor And?
OK, I enjoyed them, but they were unfairly biased towards older players.... However, rate mining still occurs, I know, I've seen it... so it'll still be unfair, but hey, they fixed part of it.... now all the top 30 builders will be dancers rather than 9 out of the top 10. You know, Thats like saying, "I started work 3 years later than you all and I deserve to be paid the same amount and have the same seniority as you all do" Weeeeeee There goes that Linden Dollar out the roof now. |
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Magnum Serpentine
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02-10-2005 22:04
From: Talen Morgan GET RID OF THE RATINGS SYSTEM NOW It is completely useless and adding decay just says that you know it is too. I go one step further. Ban all conversions of the Linden Dollar to Real-Life money. |
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Eggy Lippmann
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02-10-2005 22:08
From: Magnum Serpentine I go one step further. Ban all conversions of the Linden Dollar to Real-Life money. I second this  You want to have commercial content on the internet, you set up a real business and get paid with real credit cards. The only way LL can ever legitimize SL content is to tie the L$ to a real currency through a fixed exchange rate. This is known as a micropayment system and it is widely used on the web today. |
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David Cartier
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02-10-2005 23:08
From: Chicago Kent Cutter, There is no free money. We should not rely on LL for stipends and handouts. Obviously, after reading my thread today, /120/bd/35519/1.html , Phillip Linden decided to act to preserve the free market and took this step. I hope that he will continue this renewed drive toward the free market. We should not be relying on LL for handouts. Sincerely, Chicago Kent Don't strain your arm too much, patting yourself on the back... If this is going to happen on 16 February it has been in the works for a while, now; you can't just flip a switch, after all. My ratings are going to drop by better than 75%, but I'm considering it to be worth it to lose the positive ratings so that we don't have the whining about the negs. |
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Hiro Pendragon
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02-10-2005 23:12
From: Magnum Serpentine It means that the money exchangers will get even more filthy rich. They screamed because their precious linden dollars were loosing value, a loss, I might add, that was natural and then they screamed and the Lindens listened and overnight the Linden Dollar rose by 35% and it is still climbing.
Yes I am extremely angery. What are you talking about? www.gamingopenmarket.comWHere is this 35% increase!? Stop being a drama queen, Chicken Little~!
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Hiro Pendragon
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02-10-2005 23:16
From: Eggy Lippmann I second this You want to have commercial content on the internet, you set up a real business and get paid with real credit cards. The only way LL can ever legitimize SL content is to tie the L$ to a real currency through a fixed exchange rate. This is known as a micropayment system and it is widely used on the web today. I disagree. I think the idea of a universal go-between currency of L$ is very forward-thinking.
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Eggy Lippmann
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02-10-2005 23:24
From: Hiro Pendragon I disagree. I think the idea of a universal go-between currency of L$ is very forward-thinking. Define forward-thinking? The only thing this fictional currency got us is zero respect for the value of our work. |
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Hiro Pendragon
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02-10-2005 23:46
From: Eggy Lippmann Define forward-thinking?
The only thing this fictional currency got us is zero respect for the value of our work. *thinks* You have a reasonable point there, but I would say in response that I don't need or care for the respect of people who can't see the value of it. Anecdote: I showed my good friend SL for the first time the other day. He was curious, I showed him my shop, some nice builds, the interface. Then I told him how I can make $100-$300 US / month. His eyes went wide and he suddenly realized the potential. Define forward thinking - anyone in the world is on the same level playing field when it comes to making money in SL.
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Kris Ritter
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02-11-2005 01:28
From: Magnum Serpentine I go one step further. Ban all conversions of the Linden Dollar to Real-Life money. Yup. I'm up for that. NOW ZERO THE RATINGS FOR ALL!!!! |
