SL is killing itself

Okay, I'm giong to sidetrack this thread. After I kicked my husband out, I was sad. I saw the advertisment on a bus that said if you need to talk, call us. So I called the Samaritans not knowing it was a Suicide Prevention hotline. I started talking and it was feeling pretty good to let out the bad feelings I had about my missing my husband, even though he was not good for me. Then the person asks me if I felt like killing myself. I was horrified, the thought hadn't even crossed my mind. I called back a few days later and after a little while the same question came up. That's when I figured it out and I almost got the giggles. I had an insane urge to say "no, but that's a great idea, thanks for suggesting it" and then hanging up. I resisted and never called back because I knew the 3rd time I would say it and ruin some poor volunteer's night.

As for the OP, I agree with those who say you should be in it for the fun. And also the ones who say raise your prices if the conversion is important to you.

I don't see any need for that dig. From what I've gathered, the person in question was a case of "right place, right time".

IMHO, too much is being made about newbies asking how to make money. Of course theyre going to ask how to make money! I know that was my first question as well. It has less to do with the fact that LL markets SL as a potential money making venture, than the fact that new residents would like to learn the means by which to obtain what they want in SL.

Why shouldn't this question be expected as a natural "most asked" question, particularly when taking into consideration of how SL differs from the majority of MMORPG's in the market, were most of these newbies have been conditioned to believe, and it is taken for granted, that all players have to do to make money is go out into the world and simply fight or kill monsters.

Since SL is different in that regard, and most new residents actually havent a clue about SL and its innerworkings, and much less of how to go about acquiring linden to buy the things they want to upgrade themselves, then it is logical to understand why they would ask how to make money.

To be frank, I'd be more surprised if new residents asked any other question other than how to make money, or more accurately how do I go about acquiring the means by which to gain access to any of these wonderful creations that SL's talented designers have made available for us in this world.

After all...What question would you expect to be more important, and as such, asked more by a new resident?

How do I get this box off my head?

Exactly. I've met quite a lot of new players, since I run events at NCI, and the number one thing that must be borne in mind about them is that they don't yet have a handle on the society of SL. They're still applying values from RL and from other MMORPGs. When someone says "how do I make money" they usually just want to know how to get L$. And you can hardly blame them for that! When I first joined SL, the actual manual included the text "you start with L$250 and get a stipend of L$50 each week, if you want more than that you'll have to find a way to get more". And when you've seen that in the manual, well, what's the first thing you're going to ask someone who's offering to help you with SL?

SL's society and culture is something that new folks need to learn a lot about - not just the technical side of "how do I...?". Lots of people are trying their hardest to enable them to do so, but of course more would never hurt

Without commenting on the rest of the arguments, for a startup CEO, he absolutely could be taking home much less than that as "salary". Key word: salary. His stock, on the other hand, could end up being worth a whole lot in a few years. As one of the Real pioneers (if I am not mistaken) he probably has plenty of cash to live off for a while.

As a case in point, Steve Jobs' salary at Apple is $1/year. *I* could make more money than that alt-farming. However, no way I could beat out his stock options.

Dmitri-

To extend Argent's response a little: It would likely cost LL *more* to enforce the ban on selling L$'s externally than they would profit from.

As it is at the moment, if you take 3.5% of the daily volumes traded it works out to about enough for one staff member, and they probably have the majority of L$ trades already.

Enforcement is a serious bug-a-boo, lots of detection algorithms to write, nosing about, trying to come up with enough evidence and proof and then confronting the individuals. Easier for them to make using the LindeX more convenient and leave it at that.

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Jopsy

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English comprehension problems? lol While his suggestion was BAD it was just that a suggestion of what he thinks LL policy should be. He was not saying what LL policy IS ROFL!

I do realise this. Actually jsut trying to slap down the "let's kill stipend" folks. They ahve this wonderful plan to stabilize the SL economy.......by doing the exact same thing that's being done in the US today. Take money form those within the borders without putting something in it's place to take over. I myself get the 50L per week stipend. Doesn't amount to a lot and won't even cover rent on a home for me, however I used to be premium and owned about a quarter region. I and the lady I live with between us paid in some pretty healthy tier fees. and I also got charged for this basic account as well as tiering down my older one. My income except for that 50 L's ( which I don't always receive BTW ) comes strictly from in world sales of items I create. When I make more than my rent I put it back into circulation buying things I can't make yet or haven't tried or had the time to. My point being less than 1% of the population is sitting on piles of L's and selling same. At least one of them if not a group of them has hit on this wonderful idea of releasing large chunks cheap to drive the market down then start screaming about Stipend...c'mon ppl, it is NOT a stupid little 50L's per week doing this. Heck the premium stipends are a lot bigger hit than basic is. Thier whole mission is to force everyone to buy thier L's since most of them can't turn out a decent in world product, or to help destroy the L and usher in a friend of thier's brand new shiny UNBACKED in world currency.

I do admit, it is getting rather funny watching the Chicken-Littles. They look more and more absurd as it becomes clear that the people they are championing are actually doing the most to drive the market down. Large chunks of L$ keep hitting the market at below the current rate, sometimes WAY below. And I'm sure it's not a bunch of Basic membership users pooling their stipend.

Makes you wonder who really controls the market?

Is that a confession?

Kinda seems so don't it Jon. And the evidence keeps heading that way. What's erally fascinating is they all feel so smug and secure, but they are rather showing themselves to be very highly transparent.

I'm definitely pro-stipends from a SL marketing viewpoint.
Ambivalent from the economic point.
Averaged out: Still very for stipends.


If the cost isn't too high... it's usually more satisfying to prove someone wrong by helping them attain their ambitions. (Of course, it could prove you wrong too... but at least the matter is settled.

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Prop 1200: Let PREMIUM accounts waive their stipend for more land allocation.

I take the 5th....

Ahh, "Give them enough rope to hang themselves." Gotta love that one. I believe it is the Ultimate form of Justice. Whenever I watch one of those Crazy Police Video tv shows and see some moron splatter himself due to his own idiocy, it puts a smile on my face.