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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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03-24-2005 11:58
From: Prokofy Neva Yeah, I'm happy to call them dearie and hon and son because they are nasty to me *shrugs*
I have been attempting, along with others, to fly from Purple.
You do freeze and get stuck along sim seams as you often do on new sims.
This isn't "error" or "being new" it just IS.
You don't get satire, I don't want to have the chore of explaining it to you.
One of the chief features of the FIC is that it believes it doesn't exist, and its main denizens are constantly yammering about how they are not privileged.
What are examples of favoritism? Well, TP people to get them out to the new sim -- it's just a kind of fraternizing that doesn't seem like much but becomes annoying.
Or removing a bouncing script for one person but not another (I can't believe this happened, but there it is, testimony given to me).
Or putting Linden cards on the land of certain bigwigs, but not others.
Or celebrating the game-within-games of some players but not others, the products of some players, but not others -- just look in the forums and the town meetings and you see it everywhere.
It's the way of the world. I describe it, I report on it, but I play around it. The problem, Prokofy, like your interviewing skills, your "reporting" skills are not very well developed. You report that the dispensers have been put onto some land without ever finding out if anyone who asks to have them have been denied. You claim favoritism of teleporting without ever asking a Linden for a teleport. I know the details are messy and contradict your message, but they are important. One of your chief features is that you believe everything is about favoritism and denying anyone who is not basking in the afterglow of the Linden sexfest you so often speak of. Talk about rhetoric. What is worse is your opinions which you spout off as fact are horribly uninformed. If you actually provided evidence to back up your ravings, then maybe people would believe you. As it stands, you always wrap accusations in wild hyperbole to give them the air of truth and importance, when in fact, they are much ado about nothing and 9 times out of 10, patently false. Either back up what you say, or continue to come across as a combination town crier/village idiot. The latter is more amusing, the former would actually accomplish the noble goals you try to attribute to yourself, oh savior of SL. PS - thank you again for the dig at Eboni's name in this thread - it has provided an additional phrase for us to use now. The Russian definition was quite entertaining 
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Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
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03-24-2005 12:06
From: Cristiano Midnight The problem, Prokofy, like your interviewing skills, your "reporting" skills are not very well developed. Forget it Cristiano... rational thought is not welcomed.
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Seth Kanahoe
political fugue artist
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,220
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03-24-2005 13:55
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Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
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03-24-2005 15:25
Prokofy, for the love of god, I was only trying to help. Must you always be bitter and angry? FWIW, the sim crossings are supposedly fixed in 1.6
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
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03-24-2005 16:15
From: Prokofy Neva I always leave my prim dick on my other account in a safe place studded glasses are actually more important to me than my prim dick . 
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Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
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03-24-2005 16:23
Eggy, If sim seams are fixed in the next update, God bless 'em, but God they are a bear, I deal with headaches and trouble tickets related to them every day and its removal in the future doesn't help me much now, eh? I now just leave an alt logged in out there on that damn continent because I am damn sick of going out there all the time and struggling past the disbelief of all you people to prove you can't get there from here, any more than you can get to the aptly named Portage from here. Cristiano, you've gotten so grumpy since our interview! Is there something you didn't like about it? But I'm told it only got good feedback, dunno, didn't read it yet. Maybe if you weren't trying to hard to interview me during my interview of you, it might have gone better? Let me break it down to you. The person who first TP'd me out to the continent did not ASK for a TP from a Linden he was OFFERED a TP from a Linden because he is COOL and INNER and FETED -- and God bless him! These are the facts. Secondly, there is nothing "messy" about the card dispensor details because the Lindens never announced that anyone -- not just FIC -- could ask them for a dispensor. They said nothing. There is no announcement. You're just supposed to be groovay and "in the know" and find these things like a treasure hunt. I publicly said that I wouldn't believe this system wasn't favoritist until I found one put on my land -- heh, I'm still waiting. Sure, I'll test the system now and see if I can find a Linden to put the dispensor on my malls, should be interesting. But no, that option was not known, and the FIC, as usually, "come yesterday and you'll be first." From: someone One of your chief features is that you believe everything is about favoritism and denying anyone who is not basking in the afterglow of the Linden sexfest you so often speak of. Um, Cristiano, do you understand what satire, hyperbole, rhetorical flourism, lampooning, and just general good fun are all about? I guess not. I will go on being town crier or village holy idiot, if that suits you, but the point is, I didn't say anything that was false -- the Lindens sent the TPs, a, and b, they did not announce the availability of their dispensors to all.
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Charlotte Gillespie
2 - 0 Lindens
Join date: 19 Nov 2004
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03-24-2005 16:29
I'll give you a ride for L$50 Proko. I've been there and back in my boat about 15 times now. Get your PC sorted, or better still, get an Apple.
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Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
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03-26-2005 11:00
Yesterday, a friend exasperating claimed I needed to be "taught to fly" and said he would give me "flying lessons" to the new continent. He and I wasted 45 minutes on this.
First, he told me to find him in Purple. That was when the problems begin to exhibit. When I press on his calling card, I get the red vector cone. I travel faithfully to it, but he's not in it at the end, and I'm in the sea, and he hasn't moved. And that BTW is why I stopped using the vector-method on calling cards about 6 months ago, and why people who give me calling cards or cancel calling cards on me need never fear that I will stalk them -- I literally cannot.
Finally, I spied him in person and flew to him. He was kvetching about me being "lazy" and not pressing on the card and the map and even the minimap, but honest to God, I did press, I did follow instructions, and I did arrive not where he was, but consistently 100 or 200 meters away in another sim.
Next, we attempted to fly from purple. He lectured me with the usual technically proficient know-it-all kind of assurance that I am horridly benighted and backward and if not "lazy" or "stupid" well at least 'incompetent." He lectured me about taking off attachments. But I took them off about three months ago. There were never any. Ever. He told me to put on the X-ball that enhances flight. I helpfully pointed out that WAS an attachment. He tekkily pointed out that it "didn't count."
Of we went into the wild blue yonder. He said I wasn't flying up in the clouds high enough. So we flew, and what happens is what always happens, which is I ended up in like -428, -428 and went so far off world that I startled some Lindens in the staff room having Ring Dings and Diet Coke and reading the tabs (just kidding).
OK, next, my friend, in utter exasperation, told me to "stop flying into sim corners". Duh, I said. I know that. I long ago -- 5 months ago? 4? -- figured out by trial and error, though no one ever told me, that you have to avoid the corners/edges of sims or you jam. When flying to brand-new sims across water, this is usually the strategy -- I call it "doglegging" like the crooked shape of a dog's leg. Work your way around the sim corners, try to have a lot of speed crossing sim seams, and you can make it. OK. I look at the minimap. I do have hand-eye coordination despite whatever perception difficulties I might experience as a side effect of synesthesia and astigmatism. I can see the green dots. I watch them as I fly North, and I stay away from sim edges, trust me, I wouldn't want to do a thing like this.
Meanwhile, my possibly soon-to-be-ex-friend is snorting at me that he "watched me go to those sim corners like a magnet" -- I was just being difficult "on purpose". I flew and flew and flew. Back from -428, relog, relog, relog, back from -228. Then the top of my screen says ANWR but I'm not really *in* ANWR. Then I finally find some secret passageway and burst through on to the mainland, where I can finally pick my way on foot along the shore. That's my reality. It's my true experience. I have a witness. He still thinks I'm stupid, but those of you having this same difficulty know that you're not stupid, either.
Now my friend has switched from screaming about me being incompetent, stupid, and lazy and has switched to attacking my computer. "It meets the requirements for the game," I note, whereupon he snorts even more, acting as if a computer that meets the specs listed on the Linden's website, with the graphic card they say works with the game, with a DSL connection, is just a laughably, stupid, inadequate, way of going about playing this game, whereas *those in the know* know at the feted inner core that you need a completely different and more turbo-charged and soup-upped version of a computer.
I point out that in the old sim, when I fly even over voids, on sims that the Lindens have finally gotten working right, with their telehubs, and their construction completed, I can fly just fine. Obviously I fly all the time to Cub or Wakeley or Alston or Ravenglass, across water and sims galore, with never a glitch. I fly to Portage, however, with the same dogleg problem, having to inch around Pine etc. to get there. Why? They aren't done yet.
This suggests a simple fact of life to me. You can't fly over the sims where the Lindens aren't done building. By that I mean where they have left voids or spaces where they are still going to both put in telehubs and put in MORE sims. The problems I have in problem are not problems I have flying anywhere where there is water, or a 1000 flight (like to Ravenglass). The problems have to do with the way the Lindens are working on these servers. Full stop. Some people don't experience this, good for them. Others do. They experience it *because the Lindens aren't done building yet*.
I know this because before Carlisle and Honister were built, I had the exact same problems sometimes going to Ravenglass. I would call Lindens and they'd see me at -128 and so on and they said it was a bug, and some times I even had Lindens come in and hijack my account, and they could see that it was in odd places. They didn't question my computer capacity or my intellectual capacity, they said it was a bug that some experience. It goes away when they are done building. Sim crossings are rocky until they are done building.
I rest my case.
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Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
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03-26-2005 11:50
Hiya proko. One thing you mentioned is incorrect: "Try to have a lot of speed" is a surefire way of getting stuck. For best results, you should try to cross sims slowly, perpendicularly (as you mentioned), and wear absolutely no attachments. Especially scripted ones.
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Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
Join date: 28 Sep 2004
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03-26-2005 14:20
From: someone Hiya proko. One thing you mentioned is incorrect: "Try to have a lot of speed" is a surefire way of getting stuck. For best results, you should try to cross sims slowly, perpendicularly (as you mentioned), and wear absolutely no attachments. Especially scripted ones. OK, I don't know if you have ever noticed, but it's actually rather impossible to adjust your speed, unless you put on X-ball or whatever. I mean, you can slow down and stop, or fly, but you can't really fly a hell of a lot faster, what "try to have a lot of speed" means here is more like "try to see the sim seam coming and get a good running jump on it". The point is, traveling around this world shouldn't be so hard. You shouldn't have to know somebody, who knows somebody, who knows Eggy, who can either TP you, or give you special Masonic-handshake inscribed Chinese-fortune inside-a-Russian-matryoshka-doll type of instructions like "don't put on attachments, don't fly near edges, don't get too speedy, etc. etc." You lose touch with the fact that these geeky directions and insiders' knowledge, if it is not accessible to me, who is UNAFRAID to examine every technological puzzle and game glitch, then it becomes 100 times more inaccessible to the other players. New land is not being sold in this new continent because people can't fly there. *shrugs*. Guess it doesn't bother the Lindens that much not to sell their land.
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Charlotte Gillespie
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03-26-2005 14:50
From: Prokofy Neva New land is not being sold in this new continent because people can't fly there.
Perhaps the idea is a place people are naturally more likely to make residential, because it isn't easy to get to?
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Cubey Terra
Aircraft Builder
Join date: 6 Sep 2003
Posts: 1,725
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03-26-2005 16:03
From: Prokofy Neva OK, I don't know if you have ever noticed, but it's actually rather impossible to adjust your speed, unless you put on X-ball or whatever. I mean, you can slow down and stop, or fly, but you can't really fly a hell of a lot faster, what "try to have a lot of speed" means here is more like "try to see the sim seam coming and get a good running jump on it". I've found that a sim crossing is smoothest without any speed boost attachment (or any attachments for that matter). If your SL client is having extreme problems with borders, it's also good to pause within 10m of the sim border and edge across. From: someone The point is, traveling around this world shouldn't be so hard. I absolutely, wholeheartedly, 100% agree. I really wish LL could resolve the border problems. Soon. From: someone You lose touch with the fact that these geeky directions and insiders' knowledge, if it is not accessible to me ... then it becomes 100 times more inaccessible to the other players. Very true. The casual computer user will find him/herself experiencing inexplicable problems and might never come back to SL as a result. From: someone New land is not being sold in this new continent because people can't fly there. *shrugs*. Guess it doesn't bother the Lindens that much not to sell their land. I haven't heard of anyone else being unable to fly there, but if it's true that your avatar is constantly going off-world, then there's a pretty good chance that others experience the same thing, but don't report it. Eventually, I'm sure they'll put in at least a couple of telehubs... that's the normal MO when they put in new land. That should make it easier to get there.
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Versu Richelieu
Problem Child
Join date: 28 Jun 2004
Posts: 134
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03-26-2005 17:26
heh, maybe you are trying too hard. I was told (not tp'd) by a "cool" Linden to check out the new continent. I tried to TP there, of course i couldn't. Looked on the map for the nearest hub and went there, and blissfully unaware of any sim boundry snaffu's or glitches, flew directly over the pipeline, doo doo doo- had a peek at the oil rig, and went about my way, unlagged, over the pipeline. Just above the water too- not super high or with an X rod or anything like it, just my linden god given ability to fly. OH, and i was wearing SCADS of scripted attachments, cause no one told me i couldn't. good thing i didn't read this thread first or i might have had trouble. 
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 16,530
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03-26-2005 17:45
I know Versu must be a Linden, because of her deitylike powers to build whole beautiful castles by hand. 
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Versu Richelieu
Problem Child
Join date: 28 Jun 2004
Posts: 134
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03-27-2005 06:14
hmmmm, Versu Linden.... Has a bit of a ring to it..... 
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