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Far From the Inner Core

Prokofy Neva
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Join date: 28 Sep 2004
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03-23-2005 11:18
My first trip to the new continent was via a TP from a fairly new but feted fellow who told me proudly that he in turn had gotten a TP from none other than a particularly Cool Linden.

Wow, one degree of separation from a Cool Linden! It gave me goose pimples!

I toured around the new sims, ever anxious that I fall off the server and lose that connection to the Feted and his all-important connection to the Especially Cool Linden. As I flew around I saw Charlotte Gillepsie and all the Really Especially Cool Feted who I figured had at least a Linden TP, or a one-degree-of-separation-from-Linden TP.

But I thought that was just for yesterday afternoon, when they were just doing a kind of preview. I didn't think it was forever.

Now, when I look longingly at the map, I see green dots, but I can't go there. I click on the continent, and it says:

Could not find any teleporter within one kilometer of your destination.

Boy. I find that really scary. I have always seen distances put in terms of meters, i.e. my mall is 200 meters from the telehub in Ross (shameless plug). But...kilometers? Have I really found myself so far from the inner core?

Meanwhile, since all these people are flying there and bringing back pictures and reports, I can't believe it is "closed until debut".

I flew out to Periwinkle and tried to go there "on foot" as it were. But it won't let me. I press on the map, and I get things with funny names and funny distances like "Oslar: 2091 meters" but I get nowhere. It's like what happens so often to me and others (Lordfly has written effectively about this in the Hotline section) -- I fly and go nowhere, with only a meter or two up and down, I am stuck above the water/void, and if I try to dogleg around and fool "it", I still get nowhere.

Now I am reduced to trying to get which Feted might be out there who I can beg for a TP....or even if they are not feted...anybody...?
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Merwan Marker
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03-23-2005 11:23
I'd be happy to TP you anytime when Im inWorld.

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Eboni Khan
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Join date: 17 Mar 2004
Posts: 2,133
03-23-2005 11:25
I have flown there repeatedly in the past 16 hours. Sounds like user error.


I just flew all the way from Periwinkle to Iris in less than 2 minutes.
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Newfie Pendragon
Crusty and proud of it
Join date: 19 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,025
03-23-2005 12:02
I had the same error appear - the problem that for a large part of the continent there really is no teleporter within 1km. However, choose a spot at the south end of the continent, or one of the sims that make up the land bridge, and you should be within range of the hub.

- Newfie
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
03-23-2005 12:35
Prokofy,

It amazes me the lengths you will go to in order to blame another group for your incompetence. Bravo.
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Charlotte Gillespie
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Join date: 19 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,101
03-23-2005 12:38
Shut up, you twunt Prokofy.

I was with the crowd in Purple before the new sims had opened, and flew up to them as Cyclops was brought up.
Annah Zamboni
Banannah Annah
Join date: 2 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,022
03-23-2005 12:45
When I tried to fly there last night I was moving very slowly or not at all. So I rezzed a cube, sat on it, changed the Y loc to the edge of that sim, then manually moved it to the next sim, then changed the Y loc to the edge of the new sim, etc. Eventually I got to a place that wasnt as laggy and I flew the rest of the way.
Rose Karuna
Lizard Doctor
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 3,772
03-23-2005 12:51
What? You did not get a Linden TP? I can't believe it. Even I got a Linden TP and I'm not even close to being a FIC member. :p


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Karsten Rutledge
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Join date: 8 Feb 2005
Posts: 841
03-23-2005 12:56
Myself and a friend experienced this same problem also when trying to fly to the new continent. We got stuck at a construction site in one of the water sims between the main grid and the new land. We were barely able to move, even flight assist and vehicles couldn't budge us, the sim FPS was 3 and time dialation of 0.5, and there were a couple of other people stuck at the same spot all complaining and desperately trying to move. We eventually gave up and teleported away.
Prokofy Neva
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Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
03-23-2005 12:57
From: someone
user error.


Uh, no. It's not a user error when you 1) live in a major metropolis; 2) have a brand-new computer with a perfectly brand-new and good graphics card that is supported by SL; 3) have a DSL line from a huge national telephone company with a fast and good connection and no packet losses or any kind of technical problem whatsoever.

This problem of sim seams and being able to fly over voids is a chronic one. It affects all kinds of people who are perfectly well connected, and perfectly well versed in the technology for the game. Read their posts, read their lips, and get over yourselves.

User error, my ass! What "error" is there about teleporting? You click, you go out there, end of story...unless it is past a huge void with lots of sim seams, where the Lindens don't have all the glitches worked out. This is a chronic issue even in the old world. I usually have to fly complicated doglegs to go to places like Portage.

What, I'm going to fool around with prims and Y axis and sim corners just to go see a new sim? uh-uh.

No, I don't know Lindens to teleport me.

No, I'm not going to IM Merwin as nice as he is and be dependent on him to travel to the new world every time.

Yes, I will complain about this, because it's not just me, but many people. It's not much good if you build a new continent but many people can't teleport to it. They need to take a look at this.
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Prokofy Neva
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03-23-2005 13:00
From: someone
Prokofy,

It amazes me the lengths you will go to in order to blame another group for your incompetence. Bravo


Uh, gee, I guess all these other people unable to teleport are ALSO "blaming another group for your incompetence"?

And...what, it takes some kind of special "competence" to teleport lol? to teleport, Cristiano? It's a point-and-click kinda thing, dude. Do I need lessons, remedial after-school teleport tutoring???

Do you understand satire? Cristiano? This exaggerated presentation of the "inner core" and the "degrees of separation" thing is satire. It's to be funny to make a point. Honestly, I wonder if any of you have any sense of humour whatsoever.
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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03-23-2005 13:01
I wonder who "Cool Linden" was? ;)

On second thought, I don't. *screams as she's chloroformed and dragged into a Havok 2-powered, 500-prim van from the future*
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Michael Martinez
Don't poke me!
Join date: 28 Jul 2004
Posts: 515
03-23-2005 13:04
It just opened, give them time to let the earth to settle!!

There will be a TP there, there will be moving trains, there will lots of stuff, but it is brand new give time for the paint to dry! (lol)
blaze Spinnaker
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Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
03-23-2005 13:04
It's user error, but the point is still relevant.

Lindens should not be out offering TPs, except when dealing with specific bugs and user isues.

After all, what's the big deal? Hold an event and tell everyone who shows up how to make it across the land bridge. Can the lindens not even use their own software?

This Linden <-> FIC bullshit is tiresome and deserves constant ridicule. I don't care how unpopular it makes me or how poorly the case is made by fellow anti-FICcers, this Linden Sanctioned Elitism has got to stop.

Oh yeah - and sending TPs to token newbies just makes you look manipulative, not unFIC.

Of course maybe someone is just yanking Prok's chain. That seems typical of some of the rather childish element I run across in SL..
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Cristiano Midnight
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Join date: 17 May 2003
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03-23-2005 13:11
From: Prokofy Neva
Uh, gee, I guess all these other people unable to teleport are ALSO "blaming another group for your incompetence"?

And...what, it takes some kind of special "competence" to teleport lol? to teleport, Cristiano? It's a point-and-click kinda thing, dude. Do I need lessons, remedial after-school teleport tutoring???

Do you understand satire? Cristiano? This exaggerated presentation of the "inner core" and the "degrees of separation" thing is satire. It's to be funny to make a point. Honestly, I wonder if any of you have any sense of humour whatsoever.


No, you were the only person attributing it to some vast conspiracy to only allow the chosen ones to see the new continent. Aparently, teleporting does take a touch more skill that you seem to possess. If you looked at the map, you would realize there are no telehubs in the new sims, so the closest you can teleport to is Periwinkle. Like others, I teleported to Periwinkle and flew up via Cyclops into the new sims. Not exactly brain surgery, but not as satirical as blaming everything on someone else just because you are too lazy or incompetent to figure it out.
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Prokofy Neva
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Join date: 28 Sep 2004
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03-23-2005 13:12
From: someone
It's user error, but the point is still relevant.


I don't care if in some tekki geeky world this charts as "user error" -- which I find usually means "it only happens to 50 percent or less of the users so it must be their fault, not our technology's fault"

I don't buy it. TPing is not a skill, and I have all the necessary skills and technology and connection to get into this game and use it most of the time. These chronic sim-seam issues they have are a reality of the server-side, NOT the client-side that THEY must fix as Lordfly has eloquently explained in the Linden hotline area.

From: someone
Lindens should not be out offering TPs, except when dealing with specific bugs and user isues.

After all, what's the big deal? Hold and event and tell everyone who shows up how to make it across the land bridge. Can the lindens not even use their own software?


My sentiments exactly. They couldn't use that PA system they have to tell you, "Hey everybody, the new sims are up, come see them from Purple" or whatever.

From: someone
This Linden <-> FIC bullshit is tiresome and deserves constant ridicule. I don't care how unpopular it makes me or how poorly the case is made by fellow anti-FICcers, this Linden Sanctioned Elitism has got to stop.


I make the case eloquently, if verbosely. I have an important paper trail on this issue for journalists and scholars to follow now. It is well documented and researched. I wouldn't have to keep hammering on it if it weren't for the fact that each new day brings new outrages in this FIC stuff. The idea that a bigger landlord than me gets Linden service at a higher level is tripe. The idea that a bigger landlord has a Linden even enter a parcel of another player and remove a bounce script, whereas I get the back of the Linden's hand, is just an outrage. It has to be slammed, and slammed, and slammed again HARD.

From: someone
Oh yeah - and sending TPs to token newbies just makes you look manipulative, not unFIC.


Who knows if they really just go through their messages and randomly TP. I expect there are some FIC who have actually Linden calling cards to track Lindens and visa versa.

Maybe the Lindens had to TP people in person because they know full well with all these sim-seam and dog-leg issues over voids, nobody would get out there LOL.
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Eboni Khan
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03-23-2005 13:22
What we can learn from this thread...


1)Prokofy lives in a Major Metro area. I guess that means a lot to Prokofy. I live in one but I don't yell it out as a badge of honor. Unless asked to Rep my City. LOL

2)Prokofy is too good to fly or doesn't understand how to fly like the rest of us. Last night there were tens of people fly to the new land. That is how people got there not magical teleport. Flying. Open the map, and have at it.

3)Prokofy has no friends. I received about 10 Teleport offers in the range of 30 minutes from various people on the new land inviting me to explore with them. I was already there, but hey....



P.S.

Delusions of Grandeur and self importance are signs of bi-polar disorder. That was not directed at anyone, but just a general note of reference.
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Lance LeFay
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03-23-2005 13:33
Whew, I thought this was going to be another FIC topic.
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Rose Karuna
Lizard Doctor
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
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03-23-2005 13:47
From: Torley Torgeson
I wonder who "Cool Linden" was? ;)

On second thought, I don't. *screams as she's chloroformed and dragged into a Havok 2-powered, 500-prim van from the future*


Wow you got a cool ride in the Havok 2 Van? All I got was a lousy teleport. You must be really deep in the FIC Torley. :D


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Charlotte Gillespie
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03-23-2005 13:52
You. Can. Fly. To. The. New. Sims. From. Purple.

Got that?
Prokofy Neva
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Join date: 28 Sep 2004
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03-23-2005 13:56
Charlotte

Read. My. Lips. No. You. Can't. Because. It. Does. Not. Work. Even. From. Purple.

From: someone
1)Prokofy lives in a Major Metro area. I guess that means a lot to Prokofy. I live in one but I don't yell it out as a badge of honor. Unless asked to Rep my City. LOL

2)Prokofy is too good to fly or doesn't understand how to fly like the rest of us. Last night there were tens of people fly to the new land. That is how people got there not magical teleport. Flying. Open the map, and have at it.

3)Prokofy has no friends. I received about 10 Teleport offers in the range of 30 minutes from various people on the new land inviting me to explore with them. I was already there, but hey....



P.S.

Delusions of Grandeur and self importance are signs of bi-polar disorder. That was not directed at anyone, but just a general note of reference.


Eboni, are you saving your pennies for some land in this expensive new continent? Why, with that nest egg my alt gave you, shouldn't be a problem!

1. Um, the point about living in a Major Metropolis is that connections/ISPs/nodes are not an issue and can't be held up as an issue regarding game connection.
2. Er, I don't just teleport duh duh duh. I pointed that out as a problem first, but read my post. I also attempted to fly. When I fly, I can't go forward, just like the dogleg problem in the new sims on the old continent. It says 2091, 2090, 2091, 2092, 2090 endlessly and you can't fly, from Purple, from Periwinkle, from anywhere. It can't be done.
3. I have plenty of friends and in fact they did offer me teleports duh. But I want a system where I don't rely on Lindens, FIC, and my own personal friends just to go to a damn continent.
4. Um, veiled attacks on people accusing them of mental illlnesses with fake disclaimers that they aren't "directed" are so transparent that they merely discredit you. I do not suffer from bipolar, which is a very specific condition and in fact "delusions of grandeur" isn't quite the right factlet there, that actually applies more to narcissicism and other conditions. And no, I'm not a Head Wound Victims of America member selling address labels for your envelopes, either. Get off it. I'm someone who criticizes objectionable, smug, expoloitative, extortionist, and inconsiderate behaviour in the game by a certain few people, that doesn't make me a mental case, it makes me an asset to any democratic society.

Eboni, could you PLEASE get over yourself? I won't tell you what your name means in Russian. Ask me sometime. When you find that factlet out, I hope you will acquire a greater sense of humility?
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Cristiano Midnight
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03-23-2005 14:06
From: Prokofy Neva
Charlotte

Read. My. Lips. No. You. Can't. Because. It. Does. Not. Work. Even. From. Purple.



How is it that all kinds of other people can manage to fly from Purple, but you in your infinite specialness, cannot? Not that it isn't amusing that you can't figure out how to fly into the new continent, but talk about someone who needs to get over themselves. Your assertions about living in a major metro area making you somehow exempt from any kind of ISP problems made me laugh out loud. Are you somehow jacked directly into the backbone there Prokofy? Perhaps on Internet2? Maybe you found your way onto one of George Bush's vaunted internets. Network traffic along any point in your connection can cause issues - you aren't insulated from that in your big bad metro city. LOL that is hysterical. You never fail to amuse.
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Charlotte Gillespie
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03-23-2005 14:07
From: Prokofy Neva
Charlotte

Read. My. Lips. No. You. Can't. Because. It. Does. Not. Work. Even. From. Purple.



Then how come I did it last night, I did it this morning and I did it again this evening?

I, too, live in a major metropolis - London. But I don't have an SL-compatible computer:

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Jack Digeridoo
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03-23-2005 14:08
From: blaze Spinnaker

This Linden <-> FIC bullshit is tiresome and deserves constant ridicule. I don't care how unpopular it makes me or how poorly the case is made by fellow anti-FICcers, this Linden Sanctioned Elitism has got to stop.



It really should stop. It's doesn't make me want to invest a lot of $ to start a business in SL. I would like to try someday though.

Either that, or start advertising SL as a game and call them GM's instead.
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Eboni Khan
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03-23-2005 14:09
From: Prokofy Neva

Eboni, are you saving your pennies for some land in this expensive new continent? Why, with that nest egg my alt gave you, shouldn't be a problem!


I don't need to save Prokofy, I enjoy the lovely and I have now. If I wished to purchase land in the future, I dont need to save, not all of us are poor wannabe land barrons with chips on our shoulders, some of us have more than enough funds to support our secondlife with speculating in land like some bootleg Donald Trump.
From: Prokofy Neva

It says 2091, 2090, 2091, 2092, 2090 endlessly and you can't fly, from Purple, from Periwinkle, from anywhere. It can't be done.


You can fly. Everyone else is flying. Maybe you should spend some time on your technical issues and out of forums being a jerk.


From: Prokofy Neva

4. Um, veiled attacks on people accusing them of mental illlnesses with fake disclaimers that they aren't "directed" are so transparent that they merely discredit you. I do not suffer from bipolar, which is a very specific condition and in fact "delusions of grandeur" isn't quite the right factlet there, that actually applies more to narcissicism and other conditions. And no, I'm not a Head Wound Victims of America member selling address labels for your envelopes, either. Get off it. I'm someone who criticizes objectionable, smug, expoloitative, extortionist, and inconsiderate behaviour in the game by a certain few people, that doesn't make me a mental case, it makes me an asset to any democratic society.


I accuse anyone of mental illness. Please don't project your issues upon my posts. Thank You.

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Eboni, could you PLEASE get over yourself? I won't tell you what your name means in Russian. Ask me sometime. When you find that factlet out, I hope you will acquire a greater sense of humility?


Since "Eboni" is a completely made up name, I am sure the Russian translation of said made up word would be amusing. I am sure many peole can tell you what Prokofy means in SL language...

Get over yourself and stop whining in forums about fake issues.
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