Increased Prims for Private Sims - Gimme!!

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This question is really only for private sim owners, or those who own all of a mainland sim.

I'd love to be able to pay extra and have a double-prim (or more) sim. Anyone else interested.

I don't own an estate sim but voted yes under the impression that estate owners should be able to balance prim limits with performance as they see fit.

LL should make it very very clear to them that increasing the prim limit in a sim will adversly affect their sim's performance and LL will not be able to "DO" anything about it.

I voted yes - but for everybody, on the mainland, too.

coco

"What am I bid for this lot of beautiful plywood spheres? Ladies and gentlemen, these are absolutely, perfectly round, no rough edges, no signs of sanding, completely spherical. Do I hear 100 Lindens?"

Seems to me that if this isn't a settable/controllable feature for the island owner, it should at least be negotiable at time of purchase. I realize there may be implementation details that preclude it, but my first thought is that this should be something you can set from the estate owner's menu.

Changing it for mainland parcels? Hmm... Agreed that if I were LL I wouldn't want to do it for less than a whole sim, if I were to allow it at all. I'm vaguely uneasy about the idea of paying for it, but I guess LL could justify it on the basis of increased load on the asset server and network, for all those clients retrieving all those extra prims.

I'd suggest increments of 25% of the base number of prims, so they'd only have to worry about a few steps. This would still allow the buyer to choose something short of doubling the prim count, and might encourage more takers.

/me looks for chin-rubbing icon...

Aqua used to be a double-prim sim. And at least part of Zermett was 5x prims. I've been assuming that a double-prim sim is a double everything sim... supported by an extra server. So what you're paying for is an extra server or portion of one.

If someone owns all of a sim, then perhaps they could just pay an extra fee to get the same thing... or at least so it seems.

Personally, I'd like both options - the option to double prims on 1 sim, or the option to double my land mass on one server. There was some mention about that maybe a year ago, but like a lot of things, nothing ever developed from it. I don't believe either option should cost more - it's still one server.

Do you mean both options as in the options of doubling prims AND decreasing land mass and/or doubling land mass AND "decreasing" prims.

If so, then yes it would seem like a fair exchange.

The city sims have double prim allowance. But Gov. Linden also owns quite a bit of the sims' land and hardly uses any of his prims. I think that is how this is possible.

It would be nice to have more prims private or mainland!

In the same vein I'd love to have a 1024x1024m sim, with same or even reduced prim allowance (10000 ?) for the whole sim. I wouldn't mind the lesser ground definition.

My gut reaction is to agree that it's expensive enough as is, but realistically if this were a popular option we would be looking at a higher load on the asset server. I'd have a hard time making an non-emotional argument that there shouldn't be fees attached, since there is a greater overhead involved.

Jesrad: Interesting idea about changing the physical sim sizes. I wonder if that's allowed for in the system, because it seems like that would have been helpful for the void sims - instead of using two sims on the same server side-by-side, change the dimensions to 256mx512m. Likewise one or two spots where a 4x sim (1024^2) would have dropped in nicely. I'm betting there's a restriction in the code somewhere.

Telador Isle has more for some reason (see attached), and that's a private sim.

!!!!WTF!!!! LOL I Want more prim allowance for my sim!! That is so NOT fair

Whoa!! What do I have to do to get an extra 4K of prims for Chaos. Is this for real?

http://secondlife.com/land/islands.php

Note Islands 5 and 6 ... 64 instead of 16, but no word anywhere of what it costs.

I have no idea of the how/why, but you can TP to Telador and check it out. Not a photoshop job, I assure you.

I would bet that's just buying up 4 sims instead of 1.

Yeah, 5 and 6 are 4 sim islands -- 4800 startup, 780 a month to maintain.

It's right there. $1,250 per 16 acres.

64 is four sims attached together, and 16 x 4 is 64, so....

I'm happy with 16, but I lust for 30K worth of primage.

Wha... ?

Eh, I specifically asked for 20k prim allowance for my own private island back then, and didn't get it !

Does anyone know what the issues are with upping the object "bonus multiplier"? The city sims have been around for ages - any issues of stability with them? Burning Life and the winter festival had some big multipliers - perhaps the temporary nature meant that long term problems didn't appear, but presumably we would know about issues with the city sims.

Yes, Telador Isle has a 20k prim limit.

They asked for higher prim limits and we were curious to see what would happen, so we gave it to them as an experiment with the proviso that if they subsequently suffered unusual lag or instability we would not put a high priority on fixing their problems.

To their credit Teledor Isle has been a very low-maintenance estate for us. This is probably true because despite their high prim count they have a relatively low script count, and rarely host significant crowds. They have been given ample rope to hang themselves but have not done so.

The experiment appears to be a success, but at the moment I don't think we should increase the prim limits across the board yet. After spending the last week as gridmonkey*, tasked with keeping regions up and fixing emergencies around the grid, I'm painfully aware of some issues that we need to work on first.

Some of the consequences of increased primitive limits are obvious: lower render FPS, lower server FPS, and especially slower script execution. However the things I'm more worried about are the backend issues such as the size of the simulator process memory footprint, the size of backup files, and the duration of load/save events.

gridmonkey is a rotating, week-long duty for all of the LL developers during which they are on call whenever there is a technical problem wit the grid.

More prims - OF COURSE!!- But sadly I dont own a sim....

Thanks Andrew for the explanation.

I'm interested in the possibility of apply more server power to the same square meterage however, rather than just stacking more load on one server. Is it possible?

The problem is, the bonus multipler cheats.

The city sims can have more prims because of the no-build Governor Linden land. ditto with Burning Life and the winter festival... the TOTAL amount of possible prims is still the same.