A proposal for the management of land in Cass

This is a very cool idea. I would definitely like to see more citizen-driven themed communities in SL that manage a period of longevity, like Taber as an example.

Best of luck, Charlotte!

-FLip

Hmm...sorry to have a same-old, same-old show up in you thread!

I applaud your idea, which is more or less like my idea that cost me more singed suits (I really need Fey to put in flame-retardant).

The point is to manage sims to prevent maul-mall and lag-club.



Geez, that's nasty. Anshe actually improves most sims she touches. I don't like that nasty av-trap in Grizedale, but at least the building isn't that hard on the eyes. And I have to note that our ascerbic vinegraitte Charlotte gets a 'good luck' and I get a "bah teh Intarnet tincan receiver" just because oh...just because. NM. It's a free country.

Now...what's wrong with your picture Char Char?

1. Er...just build anywhere? How big? How high? What? Are you really ready to manage the multiple chaos of 15 people building all kinds of stuff everywhere and anywhere? Aren't you at least going to mark plots for them to keep track of prims and stuff? I find that when you give people a 512 for free or for low rent, and tell them to build, they will build a 500 foot skyscraper with scripted smoking particles and put a for-rent sign on it, for example, and knock your own business out. People just always surprise you, and if you think it can't get worse, re-log...it *will* get worse!

2. $2500 is kinda steep. What about collecting $350 a week? Well..$500? People get antsy thinking in terms of stipends x 4 or 5...

3. Theme? Clubs? Malls? Stores? How to enforce? Anshe, who is one smart cookie business girl says "pay me tier, I fix for you". She is insisting on getting tier, not Linden, to enforce. This gives me pause. Does one need to secure tier payments to call the tunes? I try this my way, which is just asking on a notecard and encouraging and trying to subdivide so as not to encourage laggy stuff, but....well....

4. Who sweeps the prims?

Aside from where it belongs and in which forum, I think this is great idea, because it will allow for SL land to be developed in a unique and different manner. When I first read your posting, I thought of a multi-level development with different layers all overlapping and according to some overarching guiding principle. Similar to that Airport high up in the sky.

I think this is great and there is certainly enough land to develope on. I cant imagine you paying $125 per month land fees that is hardcore, but the idea is great.

I would love to be kept in the loop as to how this developes and would love to be a part of it.

I read in another forum about the creation of a department store branded as such and this could make a great place for that, or perhaps something that allows for Avatars to play games or generate ideas.

Anyway, like I have said in all my other postings (while I wait for SL to re-open) I am a new player and dont know much so my ideas are probably easily dismissed.

Charlotte Gillespie, you are a smart cookie (ha ha).

Sir SnazzyMcBugBearRidiculous Palmerstone

Kewl look forward to seeing the by-laws. As for lag its going to be hard to control what the rest of the sim does if you don't own the entire thing. I hope your residents are supportive and help you manage that bit.

PS: TY LL for moving this thread to the correct Forum Thread. Cat

Can I buy more than one? I'd like to buy six.

I only have two questions:

a) What if you get bored or hit by a bus or something and stop logging on?

b) What if everyone in the group starts to disagree with your leadership?


IE, can we vote in someone else to take your place?


And no, Antagonistic, I'm not joking

Charlotte, I think that your proposal has promise, but I would structure the group a bit differently:

Group Land

The big difference is that you won't be fronting the tier for the entire group; every group member contributes tier in the amount of land that they are utilizing. They "buy" the land from you at a $/m price that you both agree is fairAlthough all the land is kept as Group Land, the individual residents are treated by the group as owners of their land. They may even sell it, if they decide to move or tier down or leave SL, but the land will not transfer to actual ownership of the new av; the new neighbor will simply occupy it as a group member, the same as the previous occupent. This also functions as a wonderful carrot-and-stick method of keeping everyone friendly and peaceful. The group will always assist a member in "selling" their plot to a new group member, if they have to leave, so there is encouragement to leave the group in an amicable manner (if one must leave at all). If a group member flagrantly or repeatedly violates the agreed-upon zoning ordinances, or if they simply up and leave the group, then their parcel of land simply reverts to the rest of the group; who may re-sell to a new participant or divide it up amongst themselves. If a group member leaves the group poorly, they lose whatever money they would otherwise have received from the sale of their parcel.


Also, I see one very very VERY big problem with your land, and it is the 46,000 m of land in your sim that your group does NOT own. No matter how successful you are at regulating the behavior of your group members, your sim's overall health will always be subject to the worst coder, the laggiest build, or the ugliest monument to Fat-Jedi-Kid that any of your other sim's neighbors might choose to build. My second recommendation therefore would be to sell this land, step back and acquire the necessary group members, and come back to buy an entire sim at auction, at wholesale prices.

There have been lots of questions, to which I will respond fully tomorrow (the time here is currently 1.40am).

Thank you for your interest

Carlotte, I only say this because it apparently isn't clear to you:

Stating that the topic should be in the appropriate forum is constructive. It keeps the forums clean and so everyone can see threads where they would choose to look. We had people fight and fight and fight for an economy forum, so let's use it.

While Catherine does tend to butt into threads, she was not being mean to you.

If my first smarmy comment offended you, I'm sorry. But I do genuinely want to see these issues in the Land & Economy forum so that:
1. They aren't buried under the 2-3 pages of threads in General a day, growing rapidly.
2. People who aren't interested in Land issues don't need to sort through them.

Anyways, regardless of where this post is supposed to be, I am interested. Please let us know how you're going to proceed.

There will be a public meeting regarding this proposal tonight at 2pm SL time (10pm GMT), in Cass. The co-ords are on the events list, and I'll be able to teleport people nearer the time.

Is this the management style we should expect from your little venture? Whatever the whim du jour is?

"Forget logic and organization, let's do it my way damn it! Ranch style homes for all and if you use anything other than earth tones, you will be thrown out of the club."

Catherine -- you did nothing wrong. This control freak is actually going to try and manage a group of people and a big chunk of land. Anyone who sees her relentless biting-off-the-head of anyone who has even constructive disagreements and then invests in this scheme of hers deserves to lose all their money. Not a bad idea but sometimes the person with the idea is the last person who should execute the idea.

Based on the give and take in this thread it appears as if some are looking for more detail. I would include myself in this group. It sounds like an interesting idea. My concern is whether you will be an administrator or a monarch. From some of your comments throughout this forum, I fear this may be more of a my way or the highway power trip. Prove me wrong! Let's see a real business plan and see if this will make our world a better place to live in. You certainly shouldn't be faulted for trying.

I think some people tend to forget this *IS* the general forum. While this thread could be put in Land and Economy, the GENERAL forum is the place to come to flesh out new ideas. "GENERAL" is kind of the "water cooler" forum - a place to share ideas and discuss things outside of the rigid structure of specific forums which tend to attract a specific crowd. Its also a much better place to gauge interest than any of the more specific forums.

Oh that, and to troll, flame, troll, flame, troll, flame.

That rant aside, I've checked out the land Charlotte has spoken about, and its gorgeous! I hope you are successful in putting together some sort of themed community. Places like Taber, Slate, Luskwood, and Indigo that have a group of people working together seem to have longevity. Taber hasn't change much since I was a newbie, after all! Its nice to have places that feel familiar in a world that seems to change hourly in some cases.

Regards,

-Flip

Oh, hello Bruno! If you persist in following me round the forums, I'll report you.

And have you sent to the gulags.

Hey, Charlotte, if this is to be a managed land community, have you come up with a solution to deal with people who live in the sim, but on land that the group does not own? Have you encountered grieferes yet, and if you do, how would the Cass community deal with it?

You did, by posting in general =P

The natural setting sounds interesting, and I can live with the non-specific allotment, but I'd like to see the bylaws before forming more of an opinion. Saying "it will be obvious based on existing builds what you'll be allowed to build" really doesn't help -- I don't know what the other people might want to build, if you don't know who they are yet.

Did you specify a limit to how many people can be in the group? Someone mentioned 15, but was that just a guess on their part based on the math? I don't see the number in your original post, and I missed the meeting. (Was a transcript posted somewhere?)

neko

heheh looks like some people were cranky today

Charlotte, interesting idea. my participation would totally depend on the details of course. My dream is to have a big block of land that would act like a private sandbox of sorts... continual communal build/art projects... some lasting, some short-lived... members would be able to vote on what stays and goes...

kind of like an SL art/builder land co-op.

this may be totally different from what you are doing and something i may do myself someday... anyway... rambling aside, when you have your plan in place, drop me a line.