Land Barons: Take it up the Rump!
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Dark Korvin
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Join date: 13 Jun 2005
Posts: 769
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11-23-2005 16:53
From: Waves Lightcloud Dark, If you blow your horn in your Azz instead of my ear I bet we would both be happy ! I have watched (your skill ) for the very short time you have been aboard. out bid - hack up - mark up , ya theres some skill Wash Rinse Repeat sorry you didnt invent the wheel, just most of us get alittle more out of the game than playing Monopoly Let the man speak ! -Waves You just proved you have no idea what I've been doing. Out bid? What have I won, like 3-4 small auctions. With 3 of them were at the lowest possible bid. Hack up? Let's see that is why I took places like Thams and Tethys and bought surrounding plots to combine them together? Mark up? That is why sometimes I'll even take losses on land, sometimes I'm at the bottom of the find list, and why all my land is marked up different amounts? It surely must be because I simply take property and mark it up for some percentage. What have you been watching? The skill I talk about is most likely not observed, as the biggest breaks I've gotten have been through word of mouth and negotiating prices. There is a bit more than just buy, mark up price, sell, and repeat involved. I agree I've been around for a short time, and I do view it as a big game of Monopoly, but the idea that it takes money to make money is incorrect. It didn't take me money to make money in SL.
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Luth Brodie
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Join date: 31 May 2004
Posts: 530
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11-23-2005 18:17
From: Templar Baphomet Is it "you guys" or "those guys"?
My customers that I've spoken to seem very happy. They are getting nice lots in the sizes they need (even if they just IM me and ask me to split or rearrange lots) and at a fair price (lower than the "big guys", but that's neither here nor there).
And just so you know, _I'm_ bloody well tired of this mindless social democratic knee-jerk twaddle that anyone who is successful is automatically evil, being unfairly favored in some way or somehow subjugating the proletariat. Who are you to cast everyone from the same mold? But it's your right and I'm not trying to tell you what to think or do, so kindly return the favor.
As another poster pointed out, I "should be" making much more than just tier at my level. But you know why I'm not? It's because I price the land at the minimum I need to meet my goals, not at the maximum the market will bear. Yet I'm accused of not being socially responsible?
Maybe one should read my post before a knee jerk reaction? But as I currently have insomnia and not much on tv at 2am I will bring the level down for you. You come on here defending yourself as a "land baron" so yes I will group you as one. Your entire posting here in so far has been filled with contradictions. Either you are a land baron as you say, in which you are here for the sole purpose of making money, or you don't actually make money. Please pick one and move along. How is this all mindless social knee jerk twaddle? If you really are only making your tier, then I make far more then you do. But I create content because I enjoy it, not because of a need or desire for more money. Therefore your entire point is moot. You think it really has to do with how "sucessful" you may be? There is a school of thought here that believes the platform should be used for other things then just making money. Land barons are in it for the money. IRL I don't like people who are like that, so it really should be no different here. You come on here saying that just because we do not like your intentions it is because we are somehow jealous. Ha. Who is casting who in the same molds? There are far more things in life then money and status in some online universe. One of these days you will realize it. Hopefully it is not too late.
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Dark Korvin
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Join date: 13 Jun 2005
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11-23-2005 22:32
From: Luth Brodie But I create content because I enjoy it, not because of a need or desire for more money. Therefore your entire point is moot.
I honestly do the two things I enjoy to do most in Second Life. I love to program, so I script like crazy. I love trying to figure out what the market price is going to be on something, so I do that in SL. I'm tired of Tringo, I've never enjoyed shopping, I'm still learning to build and use PhotoShop, and the currency market is too slow to be fun. If Second Life was about making money, I would of invested more money than I have into it. I do defend the right of people to make money where they can though. I know some people think it is wrong to make money in any way that does not create or provide a service. To me it is a math game with US$195 ante for every sim you play with. I know I'm going to piss off people who make a living off of this by proposing it is all a gambling game, but to me it is. If I lose out, I lose my small investment, if I win big it is because my gamble paid off. Do you hate stock traders? In my view the point is not that there is some indirect service, the point is that land buyers should want as much competition as possible to drive their prices down. The more competition, the more options you have to get a better price. It is a gambling game that brings people better prices the more players there are. We may not be giving you something constructive, but we are doing what we like and adding to the competition.
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DogSpot Boxer
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Join date: 23 Aug 2005
Posts: 671
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11-23-2005 22:35
From: Sebastian Skye Why are you attacking Lewis like that? You seem to have a low threshold for what constitutes an attack.
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Lewis Nerd
Nerd by name and nature!
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
Posts: 3,431
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11-23-2005 23:45
From: DogSpot Boxer I'm sorry. Who's ALT are you? I'm no alt, I've been playing for about 6 weeks although I've been reading about the game on the herald ever since it was all about TSO. Of course, I can't prove that I'm not an alt.... but I know the truth, and if you don't believe me, that's your problem not mine. I love the way that whenever someone speaks out against 'the way things are', it's immediately assumed they're an alt of another character here for the sole purpose of irritating others. Well, if I had $10 a month spare I'd buy bigger land, not make a second account for griefing purposes. Just casual n00b observations thats all. Land is too expensive to both buy in game, and it stifles my creativity because I'm limited as to what I can afford. To some, it's a challenge.... but I'm enjoying making stuff, and don't bother with nightclubs or all the 'adult themed' stuff so I'm limited as to what I can do anyway. Lewis
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Dark Korvin
Player in the RL game
Join date: 13 Jun 2005
Posts: 769
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11-24-2005 00:48
From: Luth Brodie Maybe one should read my post before a knee jerk reaction? But as I currently have insomnia and not much on tv at 2am I will bring the level down for you. You come on here defending yourself as a "land baron" so yes I will group you as one. Your entire posting here in so far has been filled with contradictions. Either you are a land baron as you say, in which you are here for the sole purpose of making money, or you don't actually make money. Please pick one and move along. How is this all mindless social knee jerk twaddle? If you really are only making your tier, then I make far more then you do. But I create content because I enjoy it, not because of a need or desire for more money. Therefore your entire point is moot. You think it really has to do with how "sucessful" you may be? There is a school of thought here that believes the platform should be used for other things then just making money. Land barons are in it for the money. IRL I don't like people who are like that, so it really should be no different here. You come on here saying that just because we do not like your intentions it is because we are somehow jealous. Ha. Who is casting who in the same molds? There are far more things in life then money and status in some online universe. One of these days you will realize it. Hopefully it is not too late. I'm sorry that you think that making money means a person is soley out to make money and nothing else. I come to SL to relax. I don't consider Tringo to be relaxing, I hate to shop in malls (ecspecially for clothes), and I don't like the clubs in SL. I don't dislike anybody that likes these things though. I do enjoy hanging out with my friends. I do greatly enjoy programming, and I enjoy playing around in a high risk, low investment, possible high payout "land" market. I also enjoy many things in RL that a small bit of extra cash in SL can help me do. What I do is fun to me, and I'm not doing anything I would consider unethical. I keep my eye out for valuable things being sold at bargain prices and have fun trying to sell them. You have every opportunity to find the same deals I do. You have every opportunity to sell at any price you want. The only question is if you have the patience to wait for the deals, or if you have the patience to wait for the sales. If you don't like me because you already assume all I care about is money (as all land barons do in your opinion) without even getting to know me, then I guess you are entitled to your opinion. I'll do what I enjoy, and hang around those I enjoy. Have fun with what you enjoy. To each his own.
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Selador Cellardoor
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Join date: 16 Nov 2003
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11-24-2005 01:47
From: Jamie Bergman Dumbed down? Excuse me, but have you seen some of his posts? A majority of them are utterly moronic, whereas mine actually have substance (for the most part) Now I am convinced he is blaze's alt. 
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Sable Sunset
Prim Herder
Join date: 15 Apr 2005
Posts: 223
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11-24-2005 02:20
When are people going to realise that this is going to do nothing to hurt 'land barons'? The people that hold the largest amounts of land have almost nothing to do with the areas around Telehubs. This land changes hands very little and is already at a premium - there's no money to be made there. Most of the big hitters divested themselves of any remaining telehub land as soon as there was a whiff of a chance that P2P was going to make a reappearance. In addition, those people that work an 'unreal estate' business spend most of their time managing their interests, not living their SLs like the vast majority of the rest of us. Throwing your weight behind P2P because of a grudge against these 'land barons' achieves nothing but screwing up the economy of these areas, and making SL a far duller place for those of us that actually live our Second Lives here.
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Jeska Linden
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11-24-2005 06:46
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