Consider Estate owners as server admins.

Wow, Kyrah, now you seem to be saying you already have all these powers - so - what are you suggesting as new feature(s)?
- Not the particular powers I cited in thread post #45 from your long list on thread post #1?
- And not any of the ones I did NOT cite?
Was this entire thread pointless?

Or - if you are asking for new powers because Edit Terrain and Build have gotten boring... Again, I ask, why do you want to make my and every visitors' avatar the SIM owners' dolly?

How about *the ability to edit other people's avatars*? You don't have that.



Because YOU AREN'T DOING IT.

How much simpler can I make the difference?

The difference between "Do this or I ban you" and "I'm going to do this to you whether you like it or not, and if you don't like it you can leave" is like night and day. If you can't see it, I honestly don't know how I can make it any clearer.

Premium member.

For me, it is.

Honestly i don't see much difference as in both cases, if you agree you will stay and if you don't you will leave.

Difference:

Automated or Not.

so it's okay as long as it waste the Estate owner's time?

why do you need these powers? what is it that you're trying to do that you cann't accomplish with the powers you currently have?

It's ok as long as you...

/aren't modifying people's avatars/.

Ok?

Seriously. How on earth do you think you have a right to mess with someone elses avatars? That's part of a contract between them and LL. You don't fit anywhere in that contract.

SInce wya before i came in sl i always have been into thinking about new game concepts. After more than 3 years in SL i came to the conclusion that a lot of these ideas coumldn't be possible as long as we had to spend so much development time to shield the game agains the players.
I have nothing agains the freedom we have in SL, i think it's great. But when you are the sole owner of a full instance of the server software i don't see what bad you could do by having extended powers.
Having more global functions would help decreasing lag as large sensor arrays wouldn't be needed.
The external objects would reduce greatly the problems with peoples tampering with the game attachments as at no moment the player would be in ownership of any of the game scripts.

The ability to get most of the avatar permissions automatically granted would considerably lighten the code too by allowing more remote actions on the avatars rather than having to pack everything in attachments.

The ability to force clothes would allow a more extended vision of equipment, attachments are not fit to cover the body of the avatar as they do not adapt very well to the ever changing body measurements of avatars. This way we could have stuffs like "combat catsuit" or "stone skin spell" that would automatically apply the proper cloth layer.
Also it's a plus for team based games so each team can be clearly identified by a colored garment (red vs blue, terrorists vs swat).

The ability also to know the position of any avatars on the sim at any given moment allow the use of math vector casting rather than physical bullets, math vectors are muuch less resource consuming.

Again for the external objects the fact they goes on and off without intervention from the user is just practical, you don't need to search your hud and your sword to go play, the game can remember your last equipment and put it back on you as soon as you re enter the game zone.

Currently to make a game that is hack proof you need to crypt all the communications to the outside, hell you even need to crypt the link messages, it takes a LOT of resources and just fumble the code. with the external objects all you need to do is check that the owner is the estate owner (the externals are not really given to the player so they are still owned by the estate owner) and you are set. I did tests and the security was actually taking more time to perform than the game logic itself.

No. The difference is a piece of code doing the work on MY behalf without my consent, without warning (it starts working before my telepot screen goes away), without request.

You can request (via notecard even) that anyone entering your sim conform to your rules, or they will be banned.

Now, upon seeing said rules I look it over and go "yay" and equip your stuff and de-equip mine. Or go "nay" and leave.

You might be able to get LL to implement a LSL funtion that can change the clothes on the avatar via request (this object would like to apply clothing "stone skin." [Yes/No]) which might be annoying, but it's the way of the game: If I don't want to change clothes you CAN NOT MAKE ME. You can make me leave, you can ban me, you can do anything in your (current) power, but you can not force me against my will to remove my clothing.

so how about an opt in system, when someone enters the sim it pops up a dialog asking for permission to use these powers, if the user says yes then everyones happy, if they say no then they get tp'd home. i'd still like an AR category for EO's abusing their power that goes strait to LL tho

that would work for me honestly but you will still have peoples that will complain it's too much.

In all likely hood people will see that and no longer care about the sim and leave immediately, not sticking around to find out why the sim owner wants these permissions.

That would be more or less my reaction, yes.

Me, too!

No way I want to be in a place where anyone has these powers. Just way to much opprotunity for taking advantage of me.

That's funny, it's not even for a personal crave for power its just to allow better game concept. Yet peoples scream "wolf wolf!" when there is none.



taking "advantage" of you? you gotta be kidding, then don't play any online game if you don't want the server admin to take advantage of you if i remember half life 2 (to cite this one) has a lot of admin plugins that according to your definition , can take advantage of you.

For you.

If you honestly think this wouldn't get abused, you are deluding yourself.





Halflife 2 and Second Life are farther apart than apples and oranges, their names aside.

Half Life 2: no one cares that the server op can make you hump someone else. Why? Because you log in to blow the heads off people and make corpses, not wander around a market place, build, and chat.

But I'll propose a counter example:

EVE Online. One of the system ops in EVE was using his power to create blueprints (the only thing in the game that is even close to being remotely valueable--you have to go through a veritable lottery to get one, and once you have it you're the ONLY person who has it unless YOU decide other wise). One of the system ops in EVE was using his power to create blueprints--not even terribly good ones, minor things--and selling them to players.

What happened? EVE created a new department, one that would monitor all internal affairs and prosecute people like this sysop.

As soon as someone breaks the rules here in SL, there's a whole lot of red tape that needs to happen to get someone banned. And we have little to no way to report island owners. LL doesn't have the man power (or the money to get the man power) to police island owners in the fassion that they can police themselves, yet you want to give island owners Linden-like god powers.

That's where you are wrong, i play an hl2 mod where the point is to build and script stuffs.
It also include a pretty extensive server side scripting language. A server admin can do virtually anything to the client (that stay inside the game of course) and nobody think it's wrong because usually it's for the best and any server that is just playing with players like puppets won't get much traffic.

Don't they own the physical server too?

And "staying inside the game" doesn't apply to SL. SL is not a game. It is a virtal world that has games in it.

being picky on words isn't really an argument -_- especially that sl isn't a virtual world either, its a ... a thingie.

*Looks at Second Life, sees land, people creation, art, sex, community, diversity, ecconomy, banks, theme parks, games, hang outs, friends, enemies, toys, gadgets, houses, homes, clubs, bars, and a whole host of other things*

I think it's a virtual world. There's nothing to say that it isn't--it is after all a world that is in virtual existence.

That is teh only way in which I would conider thsi proposal even remotely reasonable. Even then, I'd be likely to tp out without bothering to find out if the sim is worth tisking getting stipped naked for.

So that's what it became? I try to suggest a way to make sl more interesting for devellopment and all that peoples see is how bad it can be. Hopefully itsnot the same sort of persons that defined the standards of internet or the programming languages. Sure peoples can program viruses and spread them on internet but does it means programming should be nerfed? Of course peoples use internet for nefarious purposes, but should we then just pull the plug?

All i want and i am sure i am not the only estate owner that want this is to be back in control of my estate. Considering the price we pay for it we should get a bit more than a "big slice of land" which depending of the case is totally unmanageable if a group of griefers decide to mess with it.

The rules linden labs layed down for sripting where valid when only the mainland was existing. So you couldn't harass your neighbors and annoy peoples out of your own land. But the private sims bring a different flavor in the mix, there is basically no neighbors in the sim.

run this argument through your head again only replace virtual land with real land and see how silly it sounds. note that i'm not against EO's having these powers, i just don't want them to be able to start using them without my consent and on the off chance that i don't immediately tp out of a sim where such powers are being used i'd like to be able to file an AR that wont just go to the person doing the abuse.