I got one, well two, about how to kill griefing forever ;D

OK here I go....



ONE: There needs to be a linden or linden force, (maybe a force of assured and proven SL residents) that could act as a law enforcement force (spare me the "yeah that was stated so many times" thing) and police SL, yes police it. If you don't want to be enforced on for doing something against the TOS get the hell out of here. But a police force isn't the main thing about my post, number TWO is.



TWO: There needs to be some sort of inescapable detention center, jail, cornfield, pokey, I don't care, there just needs to be a sim where convicted griefers are sent, their inventory is rendered useless, they cannot communicate with he outside world, and when they try to TP, they get barred and set back to the sim. And that "police force" should have the power to send people there using a 3 warnings policy. You get caught griefing 3 times, or reported *******x3x******* times (this will get me into a number three… creating a reputation system for people that report people ) -oh and make someone that actually LISTENS to the reports and ARs that people give you- you get sent there.



After X amount of hours/days, you get released back into the SL world, with a warning, and flagged as a griefer by your name (I don’t know, say "Registered Offender" by their name) for the next 24-72 hours. If you grief again, then you get sent there again the same amount of days as before times two. And so on until you get to your 5th offense (X amount times 5) in which you would have like a flagged title of Registered Offender (5) or something. If you get a 6th offense thou, your character and your IP address computer characters (blocking alters), everyone one you have on SL- all get banned to this "cornfield" prison… that most suits them.



If a "police force" person griefs ONCE or sends someone to the field wrongfully more then 5 times, then they (and their IP address and all their alts) get automatically banned into oblivion (lol, I'm talking about the jail ppl).



The liaisons have the power to take off the "Offender" tag or take off the strikes next to it. The liaisons can also take anyone out of the prison at will, but not the police force "joined" residents, their powers are much more limited and contained.



Well that’s my idea, like it or lump it I think it will work and should be implemented right away :3



*puts on my patented anti- flaming outfit and protective headgear*



Oops did I forget THREE? Well I will do it after I gauge certain ppls opinions.

This his been pointed out a million times, but I'll repeat it: All they'd have to do is reset their modem, which will grab a new IP, and their alts are good to go! IP banning doesn't work when many ISPs use dynamic IPs. And you can't ban IP ranges, since that will then block innocent users from getting in.

i will have to disagree with this in certain respects as i have seen systems like this in other games that fail completly from their own undoing, the people on these elite teams get far to above themselfs and think they are untouchable themselfs.
in the majority of cases this can actually become a form of griefing in its own form.
there is already an SL Police Department running around with the tags "Island Police" who actually go around looking for TOS violations purposfully.
The question here is exactly how minor of an offence do these people try to report, if its an actual grief TOS violation then yes this is a good thing but if they report for sillyness like a bump because somone lagged then i fail to agree with any of the sort of thing like this.
How long before they get above themselfs here in SL and report and report and report, the way it will go is that half of SL would end up in the detension sims that are a part of your proposal lol.

as a side note didnt i read somwhere off a sim of this very nature that is a corn field or was that another game? hmmmm cant remember lol
.

Well of course there would be a cut off line to the types of reports accepted, and like I said in the post, the ones that become above themselves get banned as well, and in my third (THREE) point, I will talk about the "reputation system" to put an end to AR reports filed by idiots (got the idea from newgrounds - all as stated in above post), once I get a chance to process the people like you, who give me very helpful constructive critisim (thx ), maybe the lindens will like it beter now



Well... since our griefer problem started when they went to the -SMS phone usage as a verification system- thing, most of our griefers are little kids or retarted middle aged fat ppl, and most of them sure as hell can't afford a new modem (mommy won't go buy a new modem because he got banned in a game, unless he breaks the modem ). I thought IP adresses came with the internet company's service? not the modem it came through, but I am probably wrong... about that atleast xD. I think this would be better then what we have set up right now! May not be the best, or all that great at the moment, but it beats what is going on at this moment!

Oh and the cornfield thing was just a mith, I used the idea though!! >.> <.<







.......... OMFG I DIDN'T NOTICE I WAS ON AN ALTER........

-Tre Giles

lol

Enforcement can reduce griefers a bit, but no way will I say it will kill griefing forever.

To kill something forever you have to do one of these things:

1. Eradicate all traces of it (assuming it does not grow back)
2. Remove the reason for its existence.
3. Remove its means of existence.

Enforcement does none of those.

Given the alt-griefing situation the only viable solution is anti-griefing tools which Linden Lab is working on as we speak. So reported by Torley they are optimizing these tools before releasing them.

Well, its 2:30 over here and I am really tired (is that a trace of *i'm drunk* in my voice? naw just sleepiness), just didn't notice until a few minutes ago, but I can't change it now.

The whole cornfield thing would help a lot though, IMHO

*goes back to ramling about how SL ownes money for my time off of it!!*

All this in the first post has been tried and done. Do you really think the greifer is going to play along? They think it's just hilarius and can just orbit and TP out after they had their laughs...

Inventory is off limits, tp is restricted, what are they susposed to do, get jesus to save them?

Oh you freeze them. I thought you just put them in a cell. o.o
Still they could log out and log back in, in a area nearby and plug a few rounds before they get froze again. but most griefers probably don't know you can login from a specified location.

I still think the idea is good though. I've joined a few security related groups so i could share names of griefers around the grid so they can be banned fofore they even try anything else.

Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So Sorry! I want nothing to do with your police.

I don't like the whole idea of police myself, considering a bad memory from early 2005 when we had the Furry Police Department in The Forest sim. They totally abused their powers and were hated by all the furries. basicly they did the 'I have power and you dont so your banned from this sim' act. I cheared the day they fell... Not all police have to be currupt though. If they do their job the right way i'm sure it will work.

Jesus! I can't get over how obtuse we seem to be when it comes to putting power into people's hands.

Yes, all police *are* indeed corrupt, unless they have constant scrutiny and transparency. Give people power and they will abuse it - it's as much a fact of nature as the fact that if you let go of a stone it will drop to the ground.

Human history proves it over and over again.

You have seen it yourself, first hand.

And the lesson *still* doesn't seem to have sunk in.

Give people power that is not scrutinised and is not transparent, and they *will* become corrupt. It's not a question of 'might become corrupt', it's a question of 'when'.

This from a person that doesn't know that the term "Motown" applies to DETROIT, and also can't spell "Chicago"?

No, I completely disagree with the idea of using residents as cops. Look at what the forum version (aka resmods) has done.

And there aren't enough Lindens to do it themselves. No way can 100 or so Lindens police a world of this size -- especially considering that many of them are developers, programmers, etc. and aren't in-world all the time.

P2

Lmao, its like this, the place will be linden ownd property but whenever they log on they are sent to this place and cannot escape, its like a repeating home command when they log on or try to tp out, they get sent back to the one sim, inescapable, in the middle of nowhere island prison. They have no inventory so they can't shoot ppl or cause trouble in the "cornfield" or where-ever they are being held. When they try to get to change their pref- naw, just freeze their preferences menu too (ingame and out)! That'll teach 'em. Oh and no Debug for them either!

But really ppl, I think this is (and would be) better then the system that we currently have up at the moment, I am not saying that this is the best way, or the only way, but this would be better for SL.



Well if they get corrupt, (ie, useless reporting of innocent ppl, too many reports, griefing themselves, etc) then they get to have a taste of the corn in the cornfield.



For the millionth time, it won't be my police, it will be the lindens police, and they can do whatever the hell they want with them. If it ever does so happen that the lindens start something like a force to enforce their rules- and if you don't want a part of it, you'll be forced to get out of SL.
-So sorry.

I keep changing it, but then said unnamed person will change it back.

I am sorry do not like this ideal. It in itself is a form of griefing. The new sport might be to "send to the cornfield" people that we do not like or disagree to punish them. No other than removing the ofending resident from your property, I disagree with giving police powers to residents. The thought of sending another resident to the cornfield for what we percieve as griefing is nonsense. Just eject them and mute them as required.

For the millionth time, it won't be my police, it will be the lindens police, and they can do whatever the hell they want with them. If it ever does so happen that the lindens start something like a force to enforce their rules- and if you don't want a part of it, get out of SL.

I respect your thoughts and opinions on the subject. But no, it won't be a form of griefing it the lindens say it isn't, remember, they are god, and no, this police force won't have to use GUNZ or fancy show offy traps, just 3 warning and BOOM your out, so I don't understand how you say its griefing.

If we are all so worried about how corrupt everyone else is, then lets just let the lindens hire more lindens and let them go around? I bet you'll have no problem being policed by someone with linden by their name 'eh (happens every day)?

Ejecting and muting is nothing, worthless defense, get their friends to attack you, their alts to attack you, pay some assasins to attack you, go out of the parcel and snipe at you, anything they want to do, the "eject and mute" era is over.

Fine maybe residents don't need police powers, just like people in Real Life don't need police powers, because everyones scared they'll shoot the wrong man, or jail the wrong guy (oops happens every day), but in RL, without someone being in the police or military, then what, we don't have any lindens in RL llike SL. But in

SL we do have lindens, so maybe if all of you are scared then I will revise my statement to only lindends have the power to send ppl to the cornfield, but set some linens aside to actually read and respond to ARs ASAP instead of reading the first sentence and throwing it away.

So you will have the right to send me to the cornfield for the crime of being on your land. Oh joys! Your perception of griefing becomes law.



Ah please reread my postings, I have never used that word or even suggested it. You are confusing me with another resident.



I don't grief people sir. If I am not wanted somewhere am more than happy to remove myself from that place. All you have to do is request it.



The Lindens are accountable to Linden Labs for their actions.



I so agree with you sir about this. I use to have land on the mainland but have sold all of it due to griefing. It became more of a problem than a help. I have NEVER goten any action from any AR sent. They were a waste of my time. I have stopped sending them. The whole AR system is some sort of sick joke. However even with this fact, I still do not want residents to have the power to "disipline" other residents.

When the fuck did I say that?



I am not just adressing you, even if I did quote you, you arn't the only one reading this.



You don't have to grief ppl to be griefed.



Good for them.



Maybe you need to reread my first post, when did it start talking about personal land? I am talking about a Linden run police force around SL in general (meaning sandboxes, public places, stuff like that), don't want residents in it, fine, we don't need them in it, lindens, sure they can do it on their own... oh wait, thay can't ma'am. Maybe they can, with the 11 million they just scored, take the time to hire a few people. So if the AR system is a sick joke and there arn't anyone around to do anything, then what? We just sit around and get griefed (not just by push either), sending our worthless "sick joke" Ars that will never be acted apon, just to be griefed again. This system, if it includes residents or not, would be better then what we have now [period] On your personal land, you can do whatever the hell you want because it is your personal land.

I don't wish to base strong opinions. I would have arguing from both sides. I see it as an 'idea' we could try. I wouldn't trust just anybody with it. I agree the current AR/Ban system is a joke. 14 day suspension and they come back and continue... Theres probably only 2 ways to handle this.

1 - Try to make griefing more like a chore for them.
2 - Give residents control over griefs against them (push prevention, eyesore hiders, exc).

On the net, theres no fear for a griefer when causing mayham. IRL you'd be jailed for a time, or put to death depending on the level of the crime. On the web all you get is banned from wherever you grief. Woopiee right? That isn't enough to stop most. I won't be suprised if your idea gets put into action. However most people don't respect law enforcement, since it's always currupted. Selador makes a lot of sence in their post about it, and i respect their opinion. I must still say in my opinion, we definatly need someone to take out the trash.

The problem with your system is that it is indistinguishable from a popularity contest. Who watches the watchers? Who decides who is trusted to police? Where is the oversight?

Griefers who reach a certain amount of bans are required by court to attend Judge Judy who will give you some tough granny love. If they do not attend, local law enforcement will lock them up in jail with sex offenders till they are escorted to court by law. After that they have to follow-up with a mandatory visit to Dr. Phil's show entitled "Internet Bullies" where housewives cheer on Dr. Phil's attempt to make a complete ass out of someone so they break down and cry or get boo'd at with disgust gestures. Upon their return they will be publicly humiliated by their friends, family, locals and SL residents for their entire life.