Do ad farms have rights too?
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Alicia Sautereau
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07-15-2007 19:00
From: Har Fairweather OMG, ya gotta see this! Surely must qualify for best of breed! Here is the owner's self-dexcription in his profile: I am always buying land let me know what u got! I facilitate the deveopment of properties, I do not destroy the value. I always offer plots at fair market value. Ads create value from plot until it is sold. As well as marking off what I have for sale. I do not intend to cloud your view. If it is clouded Buy IT! He is also in a couple of casino owners groups and a group dedicated to "extreme domination." Surrounding neighbors, I beseech you! HUGE PRIMS. FTW! (Except maybe the neighbor which is selling plots under the name "Squeegee Land Sales."  Made my day. that place is small, seen farms that span more then half a sim... to the op, every one has the same rights as they pay for the land u can put up a 100m wall on ur border to get rid og it placing a massive particle cloud would get u AR`d by others for abusing sim resources and inducing lag i`d go with the wall personally and make it phantom, created in the past 60m high walls with ocean textures and almost looked real |
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Nina Stepford
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07-15-2007 19:27
From: Alicia Sautereau that place is small, seen farms that span more then half a sim... this guy instead bought all the land bordering the protected linden road. From: Alicia Sautereau to the op, every one has the same rights as they pay for the land
u can put up a 100m wall on ur border to get rid og it
placing a massive particle cloud would get u AR`d by others for abusing sim resources and inducing lag i cannot image somebody ARing their neighbour for hiding something they likely thought to be an eyesore themselves. From: Alicia Sautereau i`d go with the wall personally and make it phantom, created in the past 60m high walls with ocean textures and almost looked real except to the guy behind you, which can see at least 2 of the four 100m walls. the walls are just as ugly as the adplots. |
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Qie Niangao
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07-15-2007 19:53
From: Alicia Sautereau placing a massive particle cloud would get u AR`d by others for abusing sim resources and inducing lag For the benefit of any who might not know better: no. llParticleSystem() is purely client-side. Once called in a prim, the script can--and indeed should--be removed from that prim. The effect persists without any sim presence at all. But anyway, the consensus seems to be that property rights should be honored at all cost, including the sacred privilege of someone owning 1/4096th of a sim to use their 3 prims to aggressively maximize ugliness for the remaining 99.98% of the region. So, that being the consensus, the micro-barons can sleep soundly tonight knowing I won't be out there jousting my magically laggy particles against their llTargetOmega'd windmills. |
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AWM Mars
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07-16-2007 05:53
Advertising is a 'fine art', for those that don't want the product(s) being displayed, they are seen as a scurge, for those that are searching for those product(s), they are seen as a good thing... well until they have bought it.
The 'art' comes in making those advertising tollerable and even acceptable to the masses. I do agree though, the land for sale/rent advertising utilised in SL is somewhat unappealing. Perhaps on the basis that they believe someone will buy the land, just to get rid of the eyesore.
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Jessica Elytis
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07-16-2007 06:18
From: Najmah Handayani it all goes back the the SL adage... " If you want the view, buy it" I'm going to turn this old adage on it's head. "If the ad farms don't like the view of the wall/tree/other blocking their visibility, they can sell." or "If the ad farms wanted to be able to show their ads without being blocked, they should ahve bought the view." Funny how that works both ways. Though I do wonder what LL thinks of ad farms as they actually drive down the sales in that area because no one wants to live next to the eyesores. And while LL might not make money off of the initial sales, they are losing money from lost tier. Eventually People will take the loss and abandon land in the area, or sell to a landbaron who has a flat tier fee. Be intresting to hear Anshe Chung's opinion on ad farms. ~Jessy
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Nina Stepford
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07-16-2007 07:11
anshe has to love adfarms. adfarms and the ghetto culture of the mainland drive people to them in droves.
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Elex Dusk
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07-16-2007 07:18
From: Nina Stepford anshe has to love adfarms. adfarms and the ghetto culture of the mainland drive people to them in droves. Please elaborate on what you mean by "ghetto culture." |
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Xplorer Cannoli
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07-16-2007 07:19
From: Jessica Elytis
Though I do wonder what LL thinks of ad farms as they actually drive down the sales in that area because no one wants to live next to the eyesores. And while LL might not make money off of the initial sales, they are losing money from lost tier. Eventually People will take the loss and abandon land in the area, or sell to a landbaron who has a flat tier fee.
If the person flees to a residentially zoned sim, LL wins because they have one less customer to deal with and the person is umbrella'ed with a manager. Operating costs are more per person for low end land owners. As for LL losing money, I don't think so. They gain in fact. By the time you figure the amount of money spent on the small parcel and the amount of times the money changes hands, all of that adds to the economy numbers to make it look like there is more money being made by people. The real indicator of that is to see how many folks have a positive cash flow and cash out on a regular basis. Ad farms are a money maker and a good showing for SL's economy portfolio. |
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Nina Stepford
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07-16-2007 07:45
although some of the older mainland sims look nice, in general mainland has too many eyesores, cheap clubs, seedy casinos, 'bachelor' skypads, and crappy little junkshops than any island estate. From: Elex Dusk Please elaborate on what you mean by "ghetto culture." |
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Tread Fastback
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07-16-2007 08:41
From: Peggy Paperdoll Under the current TOS I think ad farms are legal.........as long as they comply with the CS. That would mean that as long as the ad farms don't display porn, casinos, promote sexual activity with children, hate speech............or "broadly offensive" material. You can AR any farm that does not comply with the CS, as you see it........remember what you might consider "broadly offensive" (or just plain offensive), may not be the case according to the powers that be.
Just because you don't like the ads does not mean the ads need to be deleted or stopped. There is no "law" in SL that says people cannot advertise from land they own. People may not like my house because I haven't finished texturing the outside yet and could find it an eyesore...........should I be subject to disiplinary action too? Ad farms are ugly. So are unfinished houses. But they are not illegal unless they truly break CS. My house does not break CS (or TOS)........and ad farms that do not break either of those should be allowed. Not fun to look at but they are okay. Casino ad farm ads are against the TOS?I have tried to read thru all that mumble-jumble but I can't find an exact answer to that question. |
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Aleister Montgomery
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07-16-2007 09:03
From: Tread Fastback Casino ad farm ads are against the TOS?I have tried to read thru all that mumble-jumble but I can't find an exact answer to that question. It's one of the blog addenda to the TOS. Same as sexual ageplay, sexual violence and the good old "broadly offensive" stuff; only outlawed via blog announcement, possibly more for the public eye than as a deterrent. Online gambling illegal, LL publically show "we do something against it", but luckily use as little force as possible. Only inworld restriction: the word "casino" can no longer be used in classifieds and parcel descriptions. Got us a lot of "kasinos", no one of 'em got closed so far. Dunno how LL would react to someone reporting casino ad farms.
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Jessica Elytis
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07-16-2007 09:27
From: Xplorer Cannoli If the person flees to a residentially zoned sim, LL wins because they have one less customer to deal with and the person is umbrella'ed with a manager. Operating costs are more per person for low end land owners.
As for LL losing money, I don't think so. They gain in fact. By the time you figure the amount of money spent on the small parcel and the amount of times the money changes hands, all of that adds to the economy numbers to make it look like there is more money being made by people. The real indicator of that is to see how many folks have a positive cash flow and cash out on a regular basis.
Ad farms are a money maker and a good showing for SL's economy portfolio. I call BS. LL doens't make money on land sales. Only on tier. (Auctions don't count as there are no ad farms on new sims to begin with). LL will get the money for the ad farm plots, correct, but eventually, that will be all that is in that sim, then the ad farmer will sell. Either it's just stupid, or it's exortion. Your call. ~Jessy
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Qie Niangao
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07-16-2007 09:50
From: Jessica Elytis LL doens't make money on land sales.[...] Right, but I think the idea was that land sales generate economic statistics that LL can leverage. But even so, I just don't know whether 16sq.m. micro-parcels have more turnover than normal parcels, after first sale. One positive thing about micro-parcels: they use fewer prims. A 512 parcel gets 117 prims, but the equivalent thirty-two 16sq.m. parcels only get 96. We need a Micro-Baron Appreciation Week! (Qie squicks.) |
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Kitty Barnett
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07-16-2007 09:54
From: Aleister Montgomery It's one of the blog addenda to the TOS. Same as sexual ageplay, sexual violence and the good old "broadly offensive" stuff; only outlawed via blog announcement, possibly more for the public eye than as a deterrent. Casino ad prims are fine unfortunately, they can even say the actual word. The only thing LL doesn't want is to have it on the classifieds, they're fine with casino ad mainland litter, that's no longer their responsability. |
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Stylee Streeter
I am not an adfarmer ok!!
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07-17-2007 02:47
If You Dont Like Ads Go Buy An Island
Nina, Stop Moaning, You Obviously Hate Everything About Mainland So You Know What You Can Go Do!
Anyone Greifs Me Or My Land Will Get An A.r. And Retailation
Feel Free To Build You Walls As High As You Like, It Makes No Difference To Me, But If You Start Hanging Stupid Pims Over My Land I Will React Accordingly.
Im Sick Off All These Holier Then Though Geeeks Who Think They Can Dictate The Way The Game Is Played Just Because Their Whole Live Revoloves Around A Bit Of Code On A Screen.
Get A Real Life
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AWM Mars
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07-17-2007 04:22
From: Stylee Streeter If You Dont Like Ads Go Buy An Island
Nina, Stop Moaning, You Obviously Hate Everything About Mainland So You Know What You Can Go Do!
Anyone Greifs Me Or My Land Will Get An A.r. And Retailation
Feel Free To Build You Walls As High As You Like, It Makes No Difference To Me, But If You Start Hanging Stupid Pims Over My Land I Will React Accordingly.
Im Sick Off All These Holier Then Though Geeeks Who Think They Can Dictate The Way The Game Is Played Just Because Their Whole Live Revoloves Around A Bit Of Code On A Screen.
Get A Real Life Do you own or run a chemical factory/refinery in RL by any chance? What you are dealing with here isn't a 'bit of code on a screen' you are interfacing with real people. Your quote 'And Retaliation' empty threats? Are you perhaps considering sending me a virus? Going to 'beat me up' in world? Going to put up a billboard with my name on it slandering me? If you begin by saying 'I'm going to use the system as in sending a AR, thats fine, but what comes after in the form of some empty threat isn't tollerated.
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Stylee Streeter
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07-17-2007 04:39
From: AWM Mars Do you own or run a chemical factory/refinery in RL by any chance?
What you are dealing with here isn't a 'bit of code on a screen' you are interfacing with real people. Your quote 'And Retaliation' empty threats? Are you perhaps considering sending me a virus? Going to 'beat me up' in world? Going to put up a billboard with my name on it slandering me? If you begin by saying 'I'm going to use the system as in sending a AR, thats fine, but what comes after in the form of some empty threat isn't tollerated. oh change the record. you deal with real poeple in any online game in the world. the difference here is there are alot of old gits who live in a REAL fantasy world of their own on here and think they can impose their views on other poeple. i dont use empy threats. what dyou think im gonna do? beat you up in world? yeh right very effective lol send you a virus? lol that would be RL greifing. not my style i try to be considerate with my 16 plots and not intrude on other peoples land. but if someone dumps a mega prim overhanging onto my land i can quite easily do the same to to them. and its obviuos how to retaliate against someone who doesnt like ad plots. LOL but as i said. i am a considerate person, and dont grief out of spite. but im not gonna sit back and let people walk all over me, especialy when they treat me like the scum of the earth just for sticking to the rules of the game. |
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Kitty Barnett
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07-17-2007 04:47
From: Stylee Streeter if someone dumps a mega prim overhanging onto my land i can quite easily do the same to to them.
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sticking to the rules of the game From: someone its obviuos how to retaliate against someone who doesnt like ad plots.
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i am a considerate person, and dont grief out of spite I don't think that even needs commenting on  . |
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AWM Mars
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07-17-2007 04:50
I searched the threads, didn't see any mention of your name... so why do you take this personally?
If there is something you don't like reading, close the post and move on, not over liberal use of caps to every word and come across in a threatening manner, there is no need for that.
Just because you don't share the views of the 'alot of old gits who live in a REAL fantasy world of their own' doesn't give you the right to compartmentalise everyone who disagrees with you... chill out...
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Stylee Streeter
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07-17-2007 05:20
From: Kitty Barnett if someone dumps a mega prim overhanging onto my land i can quite easily do the same to to them.
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sticking to the rules of the game
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its obviuos how to retaliate against someone who doesnt like ad plots.
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i am a considerate person, and dont grief out of spite
I don't think that even needs commenting on .. selected editing. hmm very cute |
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Stylee Streeter
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07-17-2007 05:24
From: AWM Mars I searched the threads, didn't see any mention of your name... so why do you take this personally?
If there is something you don't like reading, close the post and move on, not over liberal use of caps to every word and come across in a threatening manner, there is no need for that.
Just because you don't share the views of the 'alot of old gits who live in a REAL fantasy world of their own' doesn't give you the right to compartmentalise everyone who disagrees with you... chill out... im alowed to post my views the same as you are. and im very chiiled out. just pointing out there are 2 sides to this argument, and if you actualy look back at other threads on the same subject you will see i have been attacked and made out to be the bad guy on many occasion. so im just informing certain people who im sure will be reading this thread of where i stand on the matter. |
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Kitty Barnett
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07-17-2007 05:33
From: Stylee Streeter selected editing. hmm very cute You said you'd drop mega-prims if someone did it to you, which isn't going by the rules, it's breaking them. You also can't retaliate against someone without doing it out of spite. All I did was contrast the contradicting statements. |
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Stylee Streeter
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07-17-2007 05:48
From: Kitty Barnett You said you'd drop mega-prims if someone did it to you, which isn't going by the rules, it's breaking them.
You also can't retaliate against someone without doing it out of spite.
All I did was contrast the contradicting statements. no actualy i said i do stick to the rules and am considerate. which i do. but if someone breaks the rules with me, i will do the same. this is not out of spite. this is to ensure they remove their objects. and once they are removed. i remove mine. and retaliating to rectify a wrong doing is not doing somthing out of spite hardly contradiction. your just splitting hairs |
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Nina Stepford
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07-17-2007 06:05
i am moaning in your dreams mate. i dont 'hate' mainland, in fact its the only land i buy. what i do hate are adcutters such as yourself. and if i ever felt a need to deal with your adplots i would do so without either hesitation or the faintest concern for how you might react. you are like a worm; slimey and icky, yet not too threatening at all. From: Stylee Streeter If You Dont Like Ads Go Buy An Island
Nina, Stop Moaning, You Obviously Hate Everything About Mainland So You Know What You Can Go Do!
Anyone Greifs Me Or My Land Will Get An A.r. And Retailation
Feel Free To Build You Walls As High As You Like, It Makes No Difference To Me, But If You Start Hanging Stupid Pims Over My Land I Will React Accordingly.
Im Sick Off All These Holier Then Though Geeeks Who Think They Can Dictate The Way The Game Is Played Just Because Their Whole Live Revoloves Around A Bit Of Code On A Screen.
Get A Real Life |
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Nove (167, 164, 8  07-17-2007 06:16
I've seen bad, but that's definitely up there with the most extreme examples of totally moronic. As for Squeegee, his plot is 'Objects not included'. You'd think he'd throw in the sign just to sweeten the deal  |