Do ad farms have rights too?

I know ad farms have been discussed at length, but I really don't know the answer to this: Will LL do anything with an AR filed in defense of an ad farm?

I'm having evil thoughts of floating some cloud particles to envelope one ad farm, and pushing some highly dimpled, hollowed, and cut phantom mega-prims on top of another (origin still on my land), but really don't want to get in trouble. But if it's open season...

Even if they AR you, it will take forever for LL to respond and the worse thing that can happen is they will give you a warning. You might want to be more concerned about the ad baron coming after you and it becoming a personal battle.

I have a spam baron plot on my land and I planted a 2 prim tree over his ad because he left object permissions on. This was 6 months ago and he has not said anything or deleted my tree. Most ad barons have too many plots to give much of a crap.

Under the current TOS I think ad farms are legal.........as long as they comply with the CS. That would mean that as long as the ad farms don't display porn, casinos, promote sexual activity with children, hate speech............or "broadly offensive" material. You can AR any farm that does not comply with the CS, as you see it........remember what you might consider "broadly offensive" (or just plain offensive), may not be the case according to the powers that be.

Just because you don't like the ads does not mean the ads need to be deleted or stopped. There is no "law" in SL that says people cannot advertise from land they own. People may not like my house because I haven't finished texturing the outside yet and could find it an eyesore...........should I be subject to disiplinary action too? Ad farms are ugly. So are unfinished houses. But they are not illegal unless they truly break CS. My house does not break CS (or TOS)........and ad farms that do not break either of those should be allowed. Not fun to look at but they are okay.

Yes, yes, we all understand that someone has a parcel of land, which they own, and they happen to be doing something on their own parcel, which you don't own, and this is terribly terribly upsetting.

However, griefing someone else's land because you have a problem with it probably isn't a solution.

For your next project, buy an entire sim, put a ban barrier around, and then complain that no one ever visits your magnificent build built entirely lolcat pictures.

I think up to now the whole problem has been that YES, Ad farm owners DO have rights, and if you do something on your property, that crosses the Property Boundry lines into His in order to obscure the Ads, then you Could face a successful AR procedure.
The Key Phrase here is "CROSSES THE PROPERTY BOUNDRY LINES" Just as his placing unsightly ads all over his property is Ok as long as his Prims and particles don't cross into your land, Some form of obscuring barrier placed COMPLETELY within the Bounds of your property would also be legal, But then, you have to live with your Barrier now, and I've seen people make ones more unsightly than the ads they are covering up.

Another thing to consider when embarking on your fence building vendetta is your OTHER Neighbors. If you are making a solid Barrier, try to make it 100% transparent When viewed on the side of the Ad farm. remember there are probably properties on the Opposite side of the Ad farm who would be less than enchanted with having to put up with floating ads against a Huge background of Bare Plywood. If you don't consider this, then Guess what? You are No better than the Ad Farm owner, you ALSO eliminate any complaint HE might have as His view from his property remains Unobscured. You might consider consulting with neighbors as to what barrier or obscuring method would be acceptable to ALL concerned (Excepting of course the Ad Farm owner) as the View isn't Only YOUR view (Unless you own 90% of the land around the Ad farm).

Angel

I is in ur TOS, changing ur rulez to ban landbotz n spamfarmerz.

Unfortunately, ad farms do have the right to build whatever they want.

I say "unfortunately" not because they are building what they want, but because their build is f-ing stupid. Ads in SL (where there is a SEARCH function) are retarded and serve no purpose other than to tick off others and ruin the landscape for no reason.

Ad signs within malls, buisness, etc, I could see. A 16m plot in the middle of houses and living space, that puts up ads is just being an asshat, or showing less brains than a retarded doorknob.

I will personally avoid any buisness that uses ad signs of such nature and constantly advocate all others to do the same.

The really stupid ones are the rotating signs say "Land for Sale". Ummm....DUH!!! that's what the land listing in Search is for. As is the yellow highlighting option on the worldmap.

Rendunancy may be a good thing, but not when placed agasint the annoyance factor.

~Jessy

I always presume ad-farms mainly exist to pressure the neighbors into buying them out at an extortioner's price. Walls with appropriate textures blocking them from view strike me as the best answer in most cases - and I think more and more people are coming around to that solution.

it all goes back the the SL adage... " If you want the view, buy it"

IMO

Roadside ads are acceptable. Middle of nowhere is just a nuisance. If there was any rule giving ad farmers a smackdown, I think it should be that no sign should be more than 1-16m parcel from a road. Although this would be a bit difficult to enforce.

CAn you please explain why roadside is acceptable? People want non-ugly views near Linden land too. I'm missing something.

Though I'm sure that is the case in some cases, I don't think that is the primary reasoning for people advertising on ad farms. I have to agree that the use of ad farms for getting something sold is not a very effective way of accomplishing what you want.........but who's to say if it gets results or not (that is for the person placing the ads to determine). How much does a 16 square meter cost? Probably less than a couple months of paying for a classified listing in search........so cost/benefit is something to consider (at least for the advertiser). And many "ads" I've seen are not really ads at all but political statements....acts of free speech. You can't eliminate that in SL without truly taking away much of what SL is all about.

Wow... err... "unfortunately" *rolls his eyes* you have this right, too.

This all boils down to whether or not we have a right to grief another person's parcel solely on the basis of an intense dislike for whatever is on it. As the object or build fails to meet the beholder's oh-so-discriminating standards they get to interfere under the guise that their personally-mandated beautification project benefits us all collectively (except for the parcelholder).

I think I'd have to disagree with Jessica about the effectiveness of ad lots, I had a few at one time because I had some extra tier, and was about to pick some up cheaply. I placed some ads up for my biz, and also included a script that IM'd me when the notecard inside was handed out. I'd get a few clicks a day from it, and would then record a sale from the same person who received the card. So, to a degree, they do work. I get far more click thrus from a well placed (and not all that cheap!) classified ad, but if you have some open tier, it cant hurt to pick up a few, it will drive some business. Right now, I own a pretty sizable lot (about 7k sq m), and butted up against it was some ad lots.. quite a few as a matter of fact. I started with 4096, and have been working my way up to 8192, and have been picking up the resonably priced ad lots. I've cut down about 15 ad lots down to about 3 or 4 that are left. The remaining ones are rediculously priced, and, I eventually plan to IM the owners with a reasonable offer, one that will make them a small profit, but not a crazy amount, like one that's listed at 10k, and another that's 64 sq meters listed at 18k. I think if I offer a reasonable amount, one that makes the owner some profit, they'll consider it, but that remains to be seen. As for the ugly view, there's one paticular 1 prim Linden tree that is very tall and quite wide at the base. I put a line of them up next to them being carful not to encroach (at all) onto the ad lots. from way up high, you can still see the ads, but from the ground, all you see is the fence and trees, so it's not much of an eyesore. If the lots are for sale at a reasonable price, I'd susggest just buying them. I dont recomend encroaching on the land even though the centerpoint (not origin) is still on your land. It's just not ethical to do when the owner of the ad lot is not violating any rules.

Go read the entirety of my psot instead of jsut quoting what suits you, please. Thanks.

And I do NOT approve of griefing an ad farm,or any other build.

If I don't like it, I put up a blocking wall from my side. They don't liek that? Tough. My land, my rules, my build. Right?

Though if we put up walls that block view to the 16m parcel (Even though OUR parcel is all around the other and we OWN our parcel) we get told that we can't build that on OUR land. This is a double-standard that is retarded from LL. Either we can put up blocking walls, or they can't build ad farms. Can't have it both ways.

And before you say we can't put up prims that block access to their parcel; two words: Ban Lines.

I won't grief ad farms, but I will do everything legal, and within my pabilities so I don't have to look at the ugly things. If you think they are so great, fine. Dandy. Put them up next to your land and have at them.

As for me also having the right to build what I want, yes, however, if my neighbors come talk to me about a build, I'll sit and see if we can reach a compromise. To date, I have no problem with any neighbor, except an idiot on a 16m plot that won't even return IMs. He probably ignores them since it's that famous ad farm idiot we all know and hate of which I won't name names.

So yes, I do have the right to build what I want, but I also curb that with respect for my neighbors and their builds and their rights.

~Jessy

It would be good to support (and bug LL into accepting the final patch) Able Whitman's visibility muting project (http://forums.secondcitizen.com/showthread.php?t=15873) .

Add a parcel setting that turns the prims of everyone banned on a parcel invisible as well and ad-plots don't bother anyone anymore and there's not even the need to waste prims on fences.

(Jira link: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1017)

Would muting visibility also make the objects phantom? It would create a new frustration if not.

I'll be honest and say I'm not exactly sure what an ad farm is, I'm pretty sure I know, but can someone point me in the direction of a real beut!!..just to confirm my worst fears..

No, it's entirely client-side and nothing changes on the server.

There's a few ways to get around that problem though: it could work the same way ban lines do and from a distance it's entirely invisble but when you move close enough you get a faint outline/fully visible.

Or you simply set it as fully invisible when you're at home, and change it to 50% or fully visible if you decide to go fly around so you get advance warning the same way as now.

As it is I don't really like Able's idea of making it per-parcel, per-avie would be far more effective. If I don't want to see someone's ads in one sim, I don't want to see them anywhere.

All objects have a unique UUID. Rez a copy of the object and it winds up with a different UUID. A person wouldn't be able to occlude all objects, even though they have identical appearances, but each object indivdually as it's encountered.

Hence my preference for having it based on owner, rather than object id or per parcel .

If they rez the ad prims under a different name to bypass that then it falls under normal alt-griefing.

TP here. But not on a full stomach: Nove (167, 164, 8

Perre's lunch, breakfast and traces of the previous night's dinner lie splattered on the floor..

Okay that was interesting....

Floating 50 feet up..98 was what I counted in one rotation..signs that is..you can remove I guess 20 for land sale notices (this of course assumes the land will sell..though personally I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole) That's a lot worse than I thought...jeez that makes you think twice about buying land.

Thanks for that Raymond that was an eye opener.

elex, no where in the esteemed tos does it indicate that i am required to appreciate your adfarm. now pretend i crap on for another 10 posts repeatedly underscoring a point nobody has even tried to make. the tos does not obligate me to respect your adplot.
secondly, if you dont like the tree over your 16m adplot, file an AR. unless you are fishing for sympathy, complaining about something like this on a forum is little more than a cry for help. everybody give elex a hug *biiig hugz*. now pretend that i carry this droning note for 16 measures too far.
dont you ever get sick of it? its more transparent than you realise, you dont look as smart as you think you are. i know you are digging voice, i cant wait to see you try this tactic with me on voice.

OMG, ya gotta see this! Surely must qualify for best of breed!

Here is the owner's self-dexcription in his profile:
I am always buying land let me know what u got! I facilitate the deveopment of properties, I do not destroy the value. I always offer plots at fair market value. Ads create value from plot until it is sold. As well as marking off what I have for sale. I do not intend to cloud your view. If it is clouded Buy IT!

He is also in a couple of casino owners groups and a group dedicated to "extreme domination."

Surrounding neighbors, I beseech you! HUGE PRIMS. FTW!

(Except maybe the neighbor which is selling plots under the name "Squeegee Land Sales."

Made my day.